I don't think I said I didn't like it. I just said I found it relatively underpowered for it's size and compared to a fairly well known kite I used as a benchmark (Cab SB2 8m. My mate is a beginner so I demonstrated water starting a few times as well as popping off a few jumps, down-turn air gybes and spraying him in the face with some heel-side carves ... as you do when you are teaching a mate. )

Certainly the cruising around on the Edge RX with my big TT was a beautifully luxurious feeling. Smooth as silk.

It's reasonable to suggest my technique is at fault, but I really did try all the things the guys suggested. I don't want to blow my own horn but I am really really good at riding in light wind and getting the maximum power out of underpowered kites. It's possibly the only thing I am good at. The winds weren't light.

I may have been doing something wrong but if I am doing it wrong then others will too and it's got to be something really weird.

I don't think anyone in this thread is getting upset because of Gorgo's comments. I think it is more a case that it goes against the experience of the majority of other users and they are trying to figure out why. It may just be that Gorgo and this kite are not made for each other or it may be something technical. The only way to find out is to get someone who knows the kite to rig it, take it out and then hand it over to Gorgo for a ride. Part of the fun of this sport for me is trying different kites and thinking about the differences.

The new EDGE RX is a pig word around the traps is the kite has gone backwards from previous years.I have seen heaps of ozone riders give it the thumbs down.
Gorgo speaks the truth and he gets hammered by the people that have a vested interest in the kite.The edge 07 and 08 were great kites but the RX is no where near as good.Sorry ozone but the RX sucks.

Lots of credibility there Mr 1 negetive post wonder. Create a login and slam a kite as your first post.

LOL

Only speaking the truth you must also have a vested interest in the kite do you sell them.The new sport is a nice kite but the RX sucks sorry mate no offence ozone stuffed a great kite up.
We rode it back to back with the switchblade and the switchblade **** all over it and we had the 11RX and a 10Switchie the 10 switch had a much better bottom end and the jumps were bigger on the switch the RX lacked bottom end and the boosting was nothing like last years edge or the 07 edge.Im not slagging the kite just speaking the truth.

I just visited the Ozone web site and they have added a wind range chart.

The fragment below shows the 11m being "well powered up" in 11-21 and "perfectly powered up" from 22 knots.

If you interpret that as being ridable up to about 20 knots but going big above 22 knots then that would make sense in terms of what I experienced. ie. It takes a fair bit of wind to get it really going.

Cabrinha say the SB 8m is powered up from about 18 knots and the Cabrinha range is pretty grunty in general.

I'm guessing you need to go a size up with the Edge RX to get the right size compared to other kites.

I would disagree with the windchart and say that no-ne of average weight will be well powered on an Edge RX in 11 knots.
However on Tuesday evening in Sydney, I went out for a kite is gusterly southerly at Dolls Point.
Wind was averaging 13/14 -20/22 knots, with approx 2-3 knots of opposing current in parts of the river.
I was riding the stock standard demo 2009 Edge RX 11M.
Rear line trimmers about 1/2 on.

At first I went out on a Calibre 1.33x40, was able to go upwind, but it was not much good in the lulls and I did not want to end up around the groin in no mans land, so I swapped boards.
Then I grabbed my Airush switch 1.46x46 and I was riding well powered to lit, and was able to get some excellent jumps.
Another rider was out ona Flexifoil Ion3 12M, he weighs 30kg more than me and was on an Underground FLX 1.52x42, he was able to go upwind get ok jump in the gusts, but I was able to ride way upwind of him and overall had plenty more power.

So, I guess I'm sticking to my opinion that its techinique and my experience that night really confirmed that. The kite was a little stally when bar was pulled all the way in, but I would immediately let the bar out a bit if I saw that the kite was oversheeting, however when I was powered in the gusts, I needed to hold the bar in to get power, upwind and to turn tight and fast to get the kite to jump.

@ Lonerider, your idea of the truth and the TRUTH are widely different things, your idea of it is just your opinion actually, and thats the truth mate!

Some people say the exact opposite as you say, but I don't call them liars, I just respect their opinion and suggest that they may need to ride differently or that the other kite just does not suit their style.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

LOL the famous Steve from kitepower mate its just my opinion and its shared by alot of other people.Your shop in Queensland is great was in there the other day the englishman was a pleasure to deal with and I will be back next week to order the 2008 edge its a great deal with 20 percent off and its a better kite than the new RX and those prices f##K me I will have to rob a bank to have a 2009 kite or beg the Mrs for weeks on end.
Keep up the good work with the new shop Thelonerider was extremely happy.Should be in Sydney soon so I will pop in and say hello.

Thelonerider

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LOL the famous Steve from kitepower mate its just my opinion and its shared by alot of other people.Your shop in Queensland is great was in there the other day the englishman was a pleasure to deal with and I will be back next week to order the 2008 edge its a great deal with 20 percent off and its a better kite than the new RX and those prices f##K me I will have to rob a bank to have a 2009 kite or beg the Mrs for weeks on end.
Keep up the good work with the new shop Thelonerider was extremely happy.Should be in Sydney soon so I will pop in and say hello.

Thelonerider

No problem, and thanks for the props on the new shop Jon is having a great time up there, and there to stay for sure.
Gives me an excuse to go to Qld more so I'm loving it too!

We still have a few 2008 Edges too, they won't last long at the old discounted price, lots of awesome deals around now.
I'm happy with the new RX though and its the kite I like the most out of the new range, I much prefer the better bar feel and smoother power delivery, I reckon its an outstanding kite.
I am going to order some large chicken loops though as this will make it more comfortable/feel better for a lot of riders that are bigger than me, and yeah before anyone gets to quip, lots of riders are bigger than me!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve MctheTruth

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What is it with you lot? Just because Gorgo pipes up and says he don't like it you all jump down his throat and blame his technique....

I think it's good to get a point of view from the only one on this thread that doesn't have a vested interest in the kite.

so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

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so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

From your profile
"proffesional sh1tstirrer- level 1
pro kiter -"figjam"
ex smoker heavy drinker
fat gut. fat head and fat everything
blah blah blah"

Anyway, I rode the 11M again last night in winds in the 16-22 knots range and had a ball, it was mostly up around 18-20+, bit gusty but I stayed away from the river tonight.
Big jumps, plenty of power, seemed like a normal amount of power for a high aspect 11M kite, easy upwind, easy self launch and then self landed around 7.30 just before sunset.

I remember lost of people saying negative things about the 08 Instincts when they were first released last year too, then eventually many seemd to change their minds after they had a few session on them and got used to the super light bar feel. Mostly what changed their minds was riding the Instinct EdgeII in decent winds, they did not feel nice at all in winds under their intended range.
Its very different to the InstinctII, ride it a couple of times (if you don't dial it in the first time) and definitely ride it in winds that suit its range.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McEdgeRX

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so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

I think the Tobes felle is sponsored.

Would I buy one??
Not if they do this-

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so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

I think the Tobes felle is sponsored.

Did you miss the bit where I said I buy my own kites, second hand?
The tobes "felle" is going to have some more important things to spend his hard earned on this year, so No is not equal to pig, No = poor and I quite like my 08 Edge and Sport so if it ain't broken why fix it.

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so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

I'll give it another go. If it knocks my socks off then maybe yes. At the moment no. I've tried other kites that were nice from the beginning and a lot cheaper than the Ozone.

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so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

I think the Tobes felle is sponsored.

Would I buy one??
Not if they do this-

*sigh* All kites will do that when they get tangled up with another...

the ozone's also do this..



if only the camera man/woman knew not to zoom in...

Yeh kite companies always end up F###king up a great kite.

Naish x2 was great the x3 was one of the worst kites released it looks like they have learnt their lesson and have not ruined the torch yet.
North 2006 vegas awesome kite, 2007 was a failure as was the North Rhino.
Edge Rx not as good as previous edges.
Slingshot link probably this baby takes the cake a hopless piece a heavy **** that fell out of the sky and jelly fished.
North 2009 rebel folds in the middle due to no middle strut 08 was a better kite.
Cabrinha revolver seven strut wave kite what were they thinking.

They are just to name a few and the list goes on.When are kite companies going to learn and not release crap and expect us to pay top dollar for dud kites.

Thelonerider

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Yeh kite companies always end up F###king up a great kite.

Naish x2 was great the x3 was one of the worst kites released it looks like they have learnt their lesson and have not ruined the torch yet.
North 2006 vegas awesome kite, 2007 was a failure as was the North Rhino.
Edge Rx not as good as previous edges.
Slingshot link probably this baby takes the cake a hopless piece a heavy **** that fell out of the sky and jelly fished.
North 2009 rebel folds in the middle due to no middle strut 08 was a better kite.
Cabrinha revolver seven strut wave kite what were they thinking.

They are just to name a few and the list goes on.When are kite companies going to learn and not release crap and expect us to pay top dollar for dud kites.

Thelonerider

Yeah look I respect your opinion, but for everyone of those kites mentioned I know of or knew of several people that liked the models you don't.
In the case of the Edge RX, I'm arguing that you are just plain wrong, everytime I fly it I like it much more than the previous model.
When the previous model was first released we copped heaps of flack on this same forum (and others), no bar pressure, crap bar, no feel, too twitchy and gust sensitive, fifth line, span lines, blah, blah, etc, etc.

Then as people rode it a second or third time they dialled in how to fly it, then we started to get a lot of fans, but it took at least 5-6 months before we saw any decent sales and market penetration for that kite series.

Each to their own, however if the Edge RX 11M is flown in winds it was designed for and not in underpowered conditions we are getting great feedback about it, and then there is the usual resistance to something new that we are reading about here.

Just on bar feedback and boost alone, the Edge RX is tons better than the 08 seriesII kites.

Look at the video above, the hangtime and boosting height of the kites is incredible, and you can see from the water in the video the wind is not macking.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

I rode the kite in question in waves in 20-30kn today.
I ride and love my E2 9m so much I'm keeping it forever, but that's a different story.
This kite feels like the edge im used to, boosts and does everything else the old kite does.
The throw on the bar is less, depower possibly less but hard to tell, it doesn't matter.
She get's up there alright, and doesn't mind looping down the line. (even thou "apparently" it's not made for waves)

Damn good kite, easier setup than last years, no pulleys, and ozones attention to not selling stuff that will kill you due to a basic engineering oversight. (Imagine if the LINK was a paraglider?)

I'm used to the edge's thou, high aspect, likes a little trim trim with the bar, a bit more front foot when your dogging perhaps than other kites. It's just something you get used to I guess. I got on it and loved it but I'm used to this style of kite.

It's a friggin good ride.

Fair comment Steve but have you ever jumped on a kite and it felt F###KEN unbelieveable and you just wanted one straight away that is what I look for when I demo kites and buy them.I know some kites take longer to dial in but when that happens you know your on something special and the kite makes you feel that comfortable that it makes you want to try things straight away.

Thelonerider

I still don't get the under powered comments .....I was out on my 11m in maybe 15knots max yesterday. I am would be 100kgs + wet, and i was staying upwind no sweat, pulling a few backrolls and small jumps. I was riding a 145 x 40 nobile 555. I can tell you for sure that i am getting more bottom end power out of my 09 than i got out of my 08 kite. In good conditions it boosts huge with excellent hang time. Steve has nailed when he says you have to fly these kites fast. They are a high aspect kite. If you fly them the way the designer intended you will be rewarded with huge air and hang time and great wave performance. It does take some time to learn how to get the most out of these kites the same could be said for the 08's but once you get it sorted you would be hard pressed to want to go to any other kite. I like my 09 way better than my 08.

ozonekites.com/water

There are 3 good videos on that page but the one that is the most informative in relation to this thread is the interview with the Ozone 2009 Instinct designer Robbie Whitall.
Its the first video.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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Thelonerider said...

Yeh kite companies always end up F###king up a great kite.


Cabrinha revolver seven strut wave kite what were they thinking.

They are just to name a few and the list goes on.When are kite companies going to learn and not release crap and expect us to pay top dollar for dud kites.

Thelonerider

I know a few guys who love there revolvers. One of them is the best in waves that I know

Thats why they stopped making them what you need in the waves is a light kite that drifts nicely down the line.The ozone light 2009 model is a nice kite for this super light and it drifts like no other kite.Had a go on this kite a couple of days ago and I rate it highly.
The revolver was to heavy it was a pig in the waves.The switchie was a better kite than the Revolver for wave riding.


Thelonerider

Every one has there own opinion. I guess Pete cabrinha wouldnt know a good wave kite aye.

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surfoil66 said...

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so Gorgo and tobes since you'va both had a couple of goes -for the acid test - are you buying one?
yes = good kite
no = pig

I'll give it another go. If it knocks my socks off then maybe yes. At the moment no. I've tried other kites that were nice from the beginning and a lot cheaper than the Ozone.

geuss that's a maybe for the moment
thank you for a sensible answer unlike the toss who had the insecurity to throw my profile to the post,i guess in a lame effort to discredit me.

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geuss that's a maybe for the moment
thank you for a sensible answer unlike the toss who had the insecurity to throw my profile to the post,i guess in a lame effort to discredit me.

Nothing needs to be done to discredit you, other than what you write yourself.


Cya and

Goodwinds

McEdgeRXrocks

PS - My riding buddy was blown away with the Edge RX 11M performance last night, he had virtually the same size board, weighs 5kg more than me and had a 12M Ion, could not get off the beach.
I rode all over the bay for an hour, all on the crappy RX that has no bottom end in gusy E winds of 13-18 knots.
Board was a Nobile 666 1.34x42, his was a 1.34x41 555, mine had syncs on it mmmm, nice.

Had a nice sess today in 25 tp 35 knots my new kite handled like a dream soaked up the gusts, big boosts still a very smooth ride you gotta pump up to at least 10.5 psi. nice high floaty backrolls but still haven't figured out here to loop it like Tama yet, though It is fun trying. It did fold when relaunching through the window. Came back in and pumped up somemore and was a little more gentle when relaunching the problem didn't come back. I love this kite.