My Comments:Was flying with 28m lines on fast turning setting with NHP 134/42 on flat water. Found kite very responsive for a 15 and jumps great but scary drift down wind towards beach at times,easy self launch/land and upwind great. Finally found replacement for my 2012 13 Rebel light wind kite. Love my 8 and 11 pivots too,new 9 dice better though but new bar a bit techy for me/more to go wrong,cleat works fine and simple too.