How off-shore is safe fornewbie with *some* moves?

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SaltySinus
SaltySinus
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5 Dec 2012 5:42pm
At the moment, my favourite kind of wind is direct cross-shore (like parallel). This is because I can practice launching left and right and can get to shore if all else fails by body dragging towards the shore.

There's been times when the wind looks like it's 'slightly' cross offshore (like 5 degrees out to see, but otherwise cross shore).

So the question in, what's the maximum degrees offshore I should go out in? I guess I need to allow a comfortable buffer should the wind swinging round off shore (of which my only answer would be to self rescue with deflated kite (inflated struts)).



In the crappy attached diagram 3 would be my cut off. Thanks!
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
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WA, 3271 posts
5 Dec 2012 3:26pm
Being generous. Option 1.
Martyflyer
Martyflyer
NSW
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NSW, 131 posts
5 Dec 2012 6:31pm
Depends on how good you can swim and if you'd like a day out in geelong
Gorgo
Gorgo
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5 Dec 2012 6:50pm
I thought of a nice, informative answer for you with examples and rules of thumb and stuff, but I've got a bit of a headache so, if you have to ask then the answer is no.

Go to Brighton and watch the carnage in a northerly. See who gets into trouble, who doesn't have any fun, who rides around as though there's nothing wrong.

Think it through yourself in terms of:
- your chances of getting yourself safely back to the beach if you screw up (which is highly likely).
- the chances of you screwing up because the wind is gusty and you have no idea what you are doing.
- your ability to decide to ditch your gear and save yourself.

PS If you're thinking in degrees and angles and stuff you're way off the beam.
gremlin12
gremlin12
NSW
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NSW, 41 posts
5 Dec 2012 7:28pm
+1 Gorgo

If you have to ask what you are capable of, then you still need need more experience.
doolla
doolla
NSW
20 posts
NSW, 20 posts
5 Dec 2012 9:49pm
when flying aircraft - its better to be on the ground, wishing you were in the air, than the other way around.

i'm not an experienced kiter but i use this same thought model when considering whether to go kiting. if conditions mean an unforeseen issue will get me into trouble - wishing i'd decided not to push it, i give it a miss.

just my newbie 2 cents worth.
Chris_M
Chris_M
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5 Dec 2012 7:07pm
Once its blowing offshore there its gonna be gusty. Even most experienced guys would prob opt for alternatives, cos it will suck out there
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
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5 Dec 2012 10:18pm
Thanks for the advice all.

I'm certainly not advocating going out with an offshore wind... and appreciate the feedback.
Bazinga
Bazinga
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QLD, 63 posts
6 Dec 2012 8:12am
As a newbie I recently tried it somewhere between a 1 and 2 on your map...........invariably as the wind gets gusty near the shore and I dropped the kite. Couldn't get a relaunch, had to swim in with my kite....50m is a loooong way towing your kite, then once on the beach spot your board and swim back out to get it, then swim in again.........if I wanted to do that much swimming I would have joined a swimming club. Moral of the story for me now.......never kite in any offshore unless you have a rescue boat.
acitta
acitta
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152 posts
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6 Dec 2012 2:46pm
I've also considered staying out in slightly offshore conditions but a couple of weeks ago I crashed my kite, the lines went slack and looped around the kite meaning I could do nothing but get dragged directly down wind with a large amount of pull from the kite. The wind was cross onshore so all I had to worry about was whether my kite would tear and how long it would take me to get back up wind. I can't imagine how stressful it would have been if the wind had of been offshore and I was getting dragged out to sea.

So to sum up, you "can" go out in slightly offshore winds, but in addition to gusty winds ruining your fun, it wouldn't take much to turn a small mistake into a big one.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
7 Dec 2012 3:46pm
As others have alluded to, it depends not only what is upwind but also downwind of you.

If offshore means the wind has gone over a lot of land before it gets to you, it will be gustier than usual. More land = more gusty, but in certain cases it is worth it for the flat water - e.g. Gerroa south of Sydney.

If it is offshore where you are riding, but not downwind, and you can still drag in a reasonable distance down wind then that lessens the concern.
DANEgerous
DANEgerous
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253 posts
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17 Dec 2012 3:42pm
I would have thought even option 1 in your diagram would be gusty and **** as the wind is coming off the higher land mass down by the Sandy yacht club.
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
WA, 899 posts
18 Dec 2012 8:53pm
i know where you are coming from cause ive only been kiting for this season and can railey and back and front roll, with some handle passes but ive i have windsurfed for 10 years so off shore and gusty is normal but honestly if you wanna go then go out...

just make sure your back up plan is solid, not so bad if its a consistant wind but just be ready for a walk or a swim

But you will never progress if you dont push your limits...

and its good fun to live on the edge, as its makes you appreciate the friends and family you have around


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