The metal cyilinder that goes through the center of the bar and feeds line to the chicken loop seeps to be tearing at my lines? I hear this is a common issue can anyone guide me to fixing this?

Also can anyone from slingshot comment, I have had quite a few probs with my 13 rev.

simple, just put a smaller rope through for your depower line. i have used a spectra rope, works perfect. and dont buy the SS one, people think that will fix the problem. ITS THE SAME ROPE!!!

contact slingshot; they replaced my 07 fuel bar for the same reason.

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surfingboye said...

simple, just put a smaller rope through for your depower line. i have used a spectra rope, works perfect. and dont buy the SS one, people think that will fix the problem. ITS THE SAME ROPE!!!

The rev is like a old clacked out vl commodore....
I used to love it but then after about 6 months use it just started to fall to bits...
whatever rope you change it with eventually the same thing is going to happen, maybe try pulling the metal cyclinder out i think its beyond impossible tho....

Why not get in touch with slingshot directly with your issue instead of going to a forum?

My mate had a problem with SS fuel bar and bladders. he contacted SS and they replaced them straight away, no questions asked.
I don't see what your problem is, as sorse said, contact SS direct.

ss they replaced my sons no problems at all & replaced with a better one

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KitingCasey said...

The rev is like a old clacked out vl commodore....
I used to love it but then after about 18 months use it just started to fall to bits...
whatever rope you change it with eventually the same thing is going to happen, maybe try pulling the metal cyclinder out i think its beyond impossible tho....

ahhh, do you have a clue at all. its one of the better bars out there. certainly the best QR and depower setup. obviously after 18 months of use it will start too age no matter how much care you take.

PS. Are you kidding about taking that bar rope holey thing out. IMPOSSIBLE. if you dont change to a smaller rope, i would just be filing it a little smoother. easy as 123.

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surfingboye said...

simple, just put a smaller rope through for your depower line. i have used a spectra rope, works perfect. and dont buy the SS one, people think that will fix the problem. ITS THE SAME ROPE!!!

yep...
changed mine to spectra and works great....

I did the whole spectra pulley mod as per previous forum thread, and works awesome. But - my spectra still wears out every few months. I always keep spare rope and screwdrivers nearby.

Good idea to file and polish the metal hole.

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sorse said...

Why not get in touch with slingshot directly with your issue instead of going to a forum?

Because there are so many people like me coming to this forum to see what kind of problems you can expect from each different brand (and as I can see in this particular discussion, a good after sale warranty you might get from SS).
So for 2010 when I wanna buy a new kite I'm adding all the positives and negatives together and choose the kite I want.

If no one complains about their kite how would you choose between all the brands?

This is our right to complain about the products as we pimping about our favorite products.

Good Winds
Alex

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If no one complains about their kite how would you choose between all the brands?

This is our right to complain about the products as we pimping about our favorite products.

Good Winds
Alex

That's a stupid thing to say Kadkhah.
Booman's 1st comment was fair enough, enquiring about a fixit to a problem.
But the statement " Also can anyone from slingshot comment, I have had quite a few probs with my 13 rev." How on earth is Slingshot supposed to address that?
Go to slingshot with your questions, or be specific in the forum.
These are not really complaints. When Slingshot stuff's Booman around & tells him to piss off, then it's a complaint. I would expect most kites have had their teething problems.

While on the REV topic, I'm quite puzzled. Personally I'm still extremely happy with my REVs. And this thread has been positive, & yet other threads on the very same topic have been negative to the point of agressive. What's going on with these bars???

I had a number of bars go in 06/07 with this and I have never owned a slingshot kite that made it past two years without bladder problems (specifically delaminating nipples). Some Fuels didn't even make 6 months without bladder issues. I hate having bladder problems and delaminating nipples.

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I had a number of bars go in 06/07 with this and I have never owned a slingshot kite that made it past two years without bladder problems (specifically delaminating nipples). Some Fuels didn't even make 6 months without bladder issues. I hate having bladder problems and delaminating nipples.

Have flown Fuels since '03 and only had bladder issues on the '04's which was a known issue and SS replaced for people for free even out of warranty.

Used the current Fuel/Rev bar on '07, '08 & '09 Fuels and had no issues. Replaced depower rope after a season, I was happy with that. Used my '07's for 2 seasons and bars held up great. No probs so far on the '09's.

Personally, I like the Fuel/Rev bar - I find it clean and uncluttered. Maybe I am just used to it.

why can't ss just put plastic coating around the depower rope? i know of many people that have had ss replace their bar no questions asked. as a buisness man myself, if i had to replace products due to poor design i would be thinking how to rectify the problem asap. but year after year they continue to make crap that falls apart. something so simple could save the company money and would save kiters from replacing rope every few months.

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KitingCasey said...

The rev is like a old clacked out vl commodore....
I used to love it but then after about 6 months use it just started to fall to bits...
whatever rope you change it with eventually the same thing is going to happen, maybe try pulling the metal cyclinder out i think its beyond impossible tho....

ahhh, do you have a clue at all. its one of the better bars out there. certainly the best QR and depower setup. obviously after 18 months of use it will start too age no matter how much care you take.

PS. Are you kidding about taking that bar rope holey thing out. IMPOSSIBLE. if you dont change to a smaller rope, i would just be filing it a little smoother. easy as 123.

You must be horribly misunderstood i blatently said 6 months bell end

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why can't ss just put plastic coating around the depower rope? i know of many people that have had ss replace their bar no questions asked. as a buisness man myself, if i had to replace products due to poor design i would be thinking how to rectify the problem asap. but year after year they continue to make crap that falls apart. something so simple could save the company money and would save kiters from replacing rope every few months.

You can't put a cleat below the bar on plastic coated lines. If they like the below the bar concept, it makes it difficult to go to plastic coated lines.

I tried thinner rope. With thinner rope the stopper just falls down, jambs and you can't depower. The stopper relies on friction from rope of the thickness supplied, so you cannot go thinner without sacraficing this function.

Below the bar depower is no more comfortable than above the bar, in fact it is too close to get good leverage when you need to pull it, so imo above the bar depower is actually better and would allow the additional advantage of plastic coating the depower line.

I will re-post my picture of my depower line after 6 WEEKS use. This was a new bar that I started using end of Dec 08 and by early Feb 09 it looked like this.

Have seen SS pro riders with the depower above the bar

if the cleat couldn't be below the bar, why not change your design to something different so a plastic coating can be used on the depower rope. ss have used the cleat for a few years now. why not have an ordinary depower strap instead of the cleat. the cleat lasted for me a few months and on other kites i've owned the depower strap has lasted much longer, some never breaking.
When my cleat wore out on my fuel i replaced it with an old naish depower strap and it fixed that problem, but still my depower rope kept wearing out every couple months.

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I tried thinner rope. With thinner rope the stopper just falls down, jambs and you can't depower. The stopper relies on friction from rope of the thickness supplied, so you cannot go thinner without sacraficing this function.

umm, well your wrong. i have just glued a peice of lace into the stopper ball hole which the rope passes through.

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Below the bar depower is no more comfortable than above the bar, in fact it is too close to get good leverage when you need to pull it, so imo above the bar depower is actually better and would allow the additional advantage of plastic coating the depower line.

I will re-post my picture of my depower line after 6 WEEKS use. This was a new bar that I started using end of Dec 08 and by early Feb 09 it looked like this.

Below the bar depower is easy to use. I prefer not having to lean over in a poo stance to reach the depower on above the bar set up. Leverage is no issue. If overpowered just turn downwind to ease the pressure.

I can't help wondering if it is user error as to why the ropes are wearing out! Too much wanking on the bar?

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Lazarus said...

I tried thinner rope. With thinner rope the stopper just falls down, jambs and you can't depower. The stopper relies on friction from rope of the thickness supplied, so you cannot go thinner without sacraficing this function.

umm, well your wrong. i have just glued a peice of lace into the stopper ball hole which the rope passes through.

ummm, then I'm not wrong, because without the lace...
I don't have lace readily lying around. Anyone other than surfingboyo keep lace? (Probably gets it off his undies.)

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Lazarus said...

Below the bar depower is no more comfortable than above the bar, in fact it is too close to get good leverage when you need to pull it, so imo above the bar depower is actually better and would allow the additional advantage of plastic coating the depower line.

Below the bar depower is easy to use. I prefer not having to lean over in a poo stance to reach the depower on above the bar set up. Leverage is no issue. If overpowered just turn downwind to ease the pressure.

I can't help wondering if it is user error as to why the ropes are wearing out! Too much wanking on the bar?

Do you read the posts here about the ss bar problems? Do you work for ss that you are so defensive of its basically inferior bar design? Have you used a depower cleat above the bar to compare it with below the bar? With other makes of bar, one does not have to turn downwind to ease the pressure - you simply depower on demand. And with the cleat in the correct position, you don't have to change your stance to depower - you pull the rope - that is what it is there for. Seems like you are either a landlubber or a bit prejudiced.

And what a lot of crap about user error being responsible for the rope wearing out! Everyone who kites will move the bar up and down the depower line and will turn the bar because that is how you change the power in the kite and turn the kite. Do you actually kitesurf?

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axis said...

Lazarus said...

Below the bar depower is no more comfortable than above the bar, in fact it is too close to get good leverage when you need to pull it, so imo above the bar depower is actually better and would allow the additional advantage of plastic coating the depower line.

Below the bar depower is easy to use. I prefer not having to lean over in a poo stance to reach the depower on above the bar set up. Leverage is no issue. If overpowered just turn downwind to ease the pressure.

I can't help wondering if it is user error as to why the ropes are wearing out! Too much wanking on the bar?

Do you read the posts here about the ss bar problems? Do you work for ss that you are so defensive of its basically inferior bar design? Have you used a depower cleat above the bar to compare it with below the bar? With other makes of bar, one does not have to turn downwind to ease the pressure - you simply depower on demand. And with the cleat in the correct position, you don't have to change your stance to depower - you pull the rope - that is what it is there for. Seems like you are either a landlubber or a bit prejudiced.

And what a lot of crap about user error being responsible for the rope wearing out! Everyone who kites will move the bar up and down the depower line and will turn the bar because that is how you change the power in the kite and turn the kite. Do you actually kitesurf?

I do agree with him. I prefer the below the bar system. Are you honestly prepared to say with an above the bar system you don't steer downwind? I'd call bull on that. You have to stretch up and pull on it meaning your weight is upright and almost impossible to edge.

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Lazarus said...

axis said...

Lazarus said...

Below the bar depower is no more comfortable than above the bar, in fact it is too close to get good leverage when you need to pull it, so imo above the bar depower is actually better and would allow the additional advantage of plastic coating the depower line.

Below the bar depower is easy to use. I prefer not having to lean over in a poo stance to reach the depower on above the bar set up. Leverage is no issue. If overpowered just turn downwind to ease the pressure.

I can't help wondering if it is user error as to why the ropes are wearing out! Too much wanking on the bar?

Do you read the posts here about the ss bar problems? Do you work for ss that you are so defensive of its basically inferior bar design? Have you used a depower cleat above the bar to compare it with below the bar? With other makes of bar, one does not have to turn downwind to ease the pressure - you simply depower on demand. And with the cleat in the correct position, you don't have to change your stance to depower - you pull the rope - that is what it is there for. Seems like you are either a landlubber or a bit prejudiced.

And what a lot of crap about user error being responsible for the rope wearing out! Everyone who kites will move the bar up and down the depower line and will turn the bar because that is how you change the power in the kite and turn the kite. Do you actually kitesurf?

I do agree with him. I prefer the below the bar system. Are you honestly prepared to say with an above the bar system you don't steer downwind? I'd call bull on that. You have to stretch up and pull on it meaning your weight is upright and almost impossible to edge.

i don't like how the below the bar depower combines with the qr to be bulky...if you let the depower rope all the way out the plastic end stop on the end of the depower line goes into the enterence of the cleat and sticks out. dont like how the rope wears.
but the way the stopper ball can be moved and provide just the right amount of resistance is great and the reason why the have persisted with the otherwise crappy design imho.

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i don't like how the below the bar depower combines with the qr to be bulky...if you let the depower rope all the way out the plastic end stop on the end of the depower line goes into the enterence of the cleat and sticks out. dont like how the rope wears.
but the way the stopper ball can be moved and provide just the right amount of resistance is great and the reason why the have persisted with the otherwise crappy design imho.

I can understand how the length of the chicken loop would be an issue for some. Personally I have long arms so not a problem. Have you considered reducing the size of the chicken loop to counter for this? SS is one of the few CL's that allows you to do this.

I agree about the depower stopper but I've found the solution to this was simply to wait for the lines to stretch and then leave the knob slightly cleated which allows it to hang loose. That happened pretty quickly so its hasn't been an issue since.

The rope wear is obviously an issue, but if you look realistically from a cost perspective, its $25 every 6 months that you may have to pay to replace it. Maybe I'm not being hit by the recession enough but that is not an issue to me.

Every bar has its issues. If I look on the counter side one of the issues I've noticed with the plastic coated lines is a tendency to feel sticky when sheeting in and out, so I'm not 100% sure if I'd prefer that option. I rather have a smooth power and depower while I am using the bar and replace every 6 months than have a sticky setup that never requires replacement.

Straps and above the bar systems for example are not without their own headaches. Above the bar often offers limited depower vs below the bar systems because you can cleat in more than you can pull in on a strap. If you have an above the bar cleat system, then you get a dangle problem with a long piece of rope dangling around. Cabrinha seemed to have nailed the above the bar system dangling problem with their retaining strap, but again, I've heard of issues with the straps wearing so its not perfect.

I've yet to see a perfect system. There are systems which are close to it, but none of them perfect yet. Every time you take one good idea and add it to another, you are left with problems you never thought of.

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surfingboye said...

Lazarus said...

I tried thinner rope. With thinner rope the stopper just falls down, jambs and you can't depower. The stopper relies on friction from rope of the thickness supplied, so you cannot go thinner without sacraficing this function.

umm, well your wrong. i have just glued a peice of lace into the stopper ball hole which the rope passes through.

ummm, then I'm not wrong, because without the lace...
I don't have lace readily lying around. Anyone other than surfingboyo keep lace? (Probably gets it off his undies.)

DUde, you can use any material, anything. I just used lace as an example. try it.

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surfingboye said...

Lazarus said...

I tried thinner rope. With thinner rope the stopper just falls down, jambs and you can't depower. The stopper relies on friction from rope of the thickness supplied, so you cannot go thinner without sacraficing this function.

umm, well your wrong. i have just glued a peice of lace into the stopper ball hole which the rope passes through.

ummm, then I'm not wrong, because without the lace...
I don't have lace readily lying around. Anyone other than surfingboyo keep lace? (Probably gets it off his undies.)

your horribly incorrect

I love my rev bar. I shortened the chicken loop by almost half which feels heaps more comfy. To combat the stopper ball slipping I tried a few things but ended up just pushing it all the way up the rope where it jams and stays put. I only need to use the stopper if I'm carrying someone's board and need to fly and steer with one hand.

heres what i have done to my bar and it works perfectly with little effort sheeting and cleating and placeing the stopper ball where ever .
i have filed out the center of the bar so it doesn`t rub the lines . the lines are a spectra speed 6mm ,which 2 meters costs about 8 bucks from your local whitworths. its the best line i`ve tryed and i`ve tryed alot. it is a 4-6mm cleat so why put 8mm line in it?
the pulley is a riely rm805 and is rated to 650 kgs and works like a dream 2 finger sheeting..the stopper has a piece of 2mm nylon through it . to get the rope through buy a sailing needle and sailing cotton.you`ll be surprised how often it comes in handy.
hope this helps, love my rev