Hi guys,

a mate has just started kiting and brought a old cabrinha kite. i was looking at the bar and for the life of me can't work out how to attach your leash to it.




here is another pic of the dangly thing. when you have your leash attached to it it really does get in the way, and i'm sure the kite wasn't made to be like this.



if someone can give me a tip on what its meant to be like that'd be great.

The line that you have noted "dangly thing" looks like it's should be attached to the top of the safety release (or through it)
Your safety leash connects to the small fixed loop on the top of the chicken loop.
The kite should not completely seperate when engaging that safety. It should flag out. I'd reccomend taking it to a kite repair shop and they'll sort u out.

Here u go.....

Full detailed explanation of how to operate and setup for 2n1 or 1to1

I had that bar, the dangley thing is indeed your safety. The leash is always up in your face. Fine for your first season I used it for two, but the new bars which you've probably experienced are way better. You could probably make a clever home made mod but just be careful it's not going to jam, then you have no safety!

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wishy said..
I had that bar, the dangley thing is indeed your safety. The leash is always up in your face. Fine for your first season I used it for two, but the new bars which you've probably experienced are way better. You could probably make a clever home made mod but just be careful it's not going to jam, then you have no safety!

cheers wishy. i was trying to understand how it would attach to the chicken loop but it seemed like that was how it was meant to be

I have the same bar system. Yeah that dinggy thing is the safety line connected directly to your quick release leash attached to your harness. But I hardly use it. Instead I connect my safety just above the chicken loop directly onto the black plastic sleeve section. That's called suicide mode because it gives you less depower. But those Cabrihna bars already have IDS built in by giving you maximum depower by releasing the bar all the way to the stopper ball. So it's relatively safe to connect in suicide mode. Besides you can release the lot from the other end of your leash in an emergency.

George,
Since you are learning, it is very important that you use the safest setup. Do NOT use the suicide method while learning. In an emergency or if you have to do a self rescue the kite will need to be flagged out which cannot be done if on the suicide mode. Check utube video below of how things can go wrong quickly.

#t=81

NOTE your kite bar does NOT have IDS. The Cabrinha IDS kites were 2009 to 2013.

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IWB said..
George,
Since you are learning, it is very important that you use the safest setup. Do NOT use the suicide method while learning. In an emergency or if you have to do a self rescue the kite will need to be flagged out which cannot be done if on the suicide mode. Check utube video below of how things can go wrong quickly.



NOTE your kite bar does NOT have IDS. The Cabrinha IDS kites were 2009 to 2013.

I admit it's not IDS precisely. But the bar does have a depower feature when releasing the bar, similar to IDS, as those old bars had a stopper ball spot that you could push further to give you even more depower, that's why I called it IDS. IDS simply means instant depower. And that idiot had no idea. He should have pulled the QR when he had the chance the first time the kite came down. Obviously a beginner with no prior proper training.

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Loftywinds said..

I admit it's not IDS precisely.

Mate, all you should be admitting to is being a tool.

Do you even know how the safety works on your gear? Your IP address should be banned for dangerous comments. If you connected on the black plastic sleeve, you can't actually use the safety - ever! If you connect to the little loop on the chicken loop (assuming you had some way of also connecting to the safety line), you are in suicide mode AND can flag out.

Stop commenting and start using your brain.

You dickhead. Totally misread everything. The little loop on the chicken loop is the same as connecting your leash to the plastic sleeve just above the chicken loop. What? You think 2 inches matters? Besides, these old bars don't have the chicken loop hole, so yeah connecting it to the line is just as effective. Yes of course there is no safety overall, but you do add considerable distance to allow the kite to self depower, and these old bars which I have on my Cabrinha do exactly that. They have an IDS like depower of the bar in two stages, one to the stopper lock ring and if you push harder, all the way to the AOA adjustors. Connecting your leash to the top of the chicken loop adds even more depower!!

you wouldn't understand any of what I've just said, so what's the use kook?

You are a retard.

If you use the loop, you can push the quick release away and totally disconnect from the kite. That is the difference.

Listen to my advice, use what brain power you have and don't comment. You are too stupid to make sense.

Look at the first image. just below the red arrow. See the shiny little loop cast into the chicken loop. That is what I was talking about.....but you say it's not on the old bar. Retard!

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Loftywinds said..
You think 2 inches matters?

From what I've heard, you could use more than 2 inches!

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SibboV1 said..
You are a retard.

If you use the loop, you can push the quick release away and totally disconnect from the kite. That is the difference.

Listen to my advice, use what brain power you have and don't comment. You are too stupid to make sense.

Ok. I was wrong, but you still have not proven to me that connecting the leash to the little loop as opposed to above the chicken loop is any different. Either way in a squall or dangerous situation, of course you would release the lot from the leash behind the harness. So I still don't get why you think connecting it to that little loop is going to be any better when you're still connected to the power lines. But of course retard bogans like you eould not know simply because you assume the suicide mode only has ONE connecting point, when it could be anywhere along the power lines, except on the loop above the depower straps. That is the safest place of course, as the bar and leash will totally depower the kite. But personally I found those old systems to be equally flawed. The kite can still power up on the one line. Beginner or not, the original poster should simply consider a newer kite considering the age and safety of that older Cabrinha. I never said the system shown was safe for beginners.

Anyway, like I've said elsewhere. If you take advice here seriously without properly consulting you local kite shop and instructor, you're asking for trouble. This is a public open forum. Where anything goes kook!

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SibboV1 said..

Loftywinds said..
You think 2 inches matters?

From what I've heard, you could use more than 2 inches!

you have no idea moron

Like lofty said if you buy from your local shop you get the info the inexperienced need.
Maybe even cheaper too!

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Loftywinds said..
Ok. I was wrong

That is the smartest thing you've ever said....but then you kept going. I'm not going to argue with you, as you are a moron, who will never learn.

Do you wonder why you continuously get huge numbers of red thumbs? It is because you are wrong, stupid and a waste of space. Do us all a favour and go away and stop confusing people that are asking for advice, as there are plenty of helpful people on here that do contribute a great deal of really useful information - just that YOU are NOT one of them.

but you still have not proven to me that connecting the leash to the little loop as opposed to above the chicken loop is any different. Either way in a squall or dangerous situation, of course you would release the lot from the leash behind the harness. So I still don't get why you think connecting it to that little loop is going to be any better when you're still connected to the power lines.


Without name-calling lofty, you are wrong. Connecting above as you and I used to do is a suicide mode. Pull your QR and the leash is attached the kite. Attaching on the ring means when you pull the QR you are left with the leash and chicken loop and the kite is gone.

Beginners should not connect their leash to the back of the harness either in front is a lot safer. Attaching it to the back is for handle-passing.

Peace out dude(s).

I personally would get an updated bar.

I have the 2012 cab bar ( spare ) duel line flag out ( which I think is not so safe )and the 2013 cab bar single line flag ( safe as houses but a real turd to reload even on dry land once activated ) My opinion...

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fingerbone said..
I personally would get an updated bar.

I have the 2012 cab bar ( spare ) duel line flag out ( which I think is not so safe )and the 2013 cab bar single line flag ( safe as houses but a real turd to reload even on dry land once activated ) My opinion...

The problem with replacing the bar is that the old bar has a 2 to 1 pully config which matches the bridle on the kite, no new bar has this set up. If the kite is a switchblade the bar could be reconfigured to a 1 to 1 but the crossbows could not.

From your our question you are obviously new to the sport otherwise you would have seen that the safety was a front line flagging system. Forget all the banter between lofty and sibbo and connect you leash to the intended location.

I agree with Dave.

I used to use that type of bar. I found it best to have an extension line to the flagging front line (as in the picture) but with a ring on the end of it so it was within easy reach and then have a short kite leash from the metal ring of the chickenloop which clipped onto the ring on the extension line. I found its better to just use rope for the kite leash and just make it long enough so there is very slight slack in it - you don't want it slack enough to start wrapping round the bar end.

That is a crossbow bar, the switchblades had a swivel on the chicken loop assembly. The safety issue is these kites were prone to bridle wrap meaning the "IDS" that lofty describes does not work to depower when the kite is in a bridlewrap death loop. There was also testing done on how much pressure you need to release the QR when under load. Learning on this type of kite terminal provides the safest option. When at the stage of backrolls, frontrolls it is a pain in the butt.

BTW the swivel shown in the photos above the depower doesnt swivel.

I used the exact set up for 2 years
You connect the leash above the chicken loop
Safety Release and below the red ring under the bar ! The red ring stops the leash connection
Damaging your bar . There should be a red ball
With a ring above your trim strap were you have that dangly bit connecting your leash that
Will flag the kite when you QR but it means you can't spin the bar after a trick or loop . Heavy bar pressure with the 2:1 pulley setup can be changed to 1:1 for lighter bar pressure .

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SibboV1 said..

Loftywinds said..
Ok. I was wrong

That is the smartest thing you've ever said....but then you kept going. I'm not going to argue with you, as you are a moron, who will never learn.

Do you wonder why you continuously get huge numbers of red thumbs? It is because you are wrong, stupid and a waste of space. Do us all a favour and go away and stop confusing people that are asking for advice, as there are plenty of helpful people on here that do contribute a great deal of really useful information - just that YOU are NOT one of them.

And you really think I care? LOL

cheers again guys. always good to learn something new. i'm glad its not my setup, but i guess it should be good enough for a beginner.

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Loftywinds said..

IWB said..
George,
Since you are learning, it is very important that you use the safest setup. Do NOT use the suicide method while learning. In an emergency or if you have to do a self rescue the kite will need to be flagged out which cannot be done if on the suicide mode. Check utube video below of how things can go wrong quickly.



NOTE your kite bar does NOT have IDS. The Cabrinha IDS kites were 2009 to 2013.

I admit it's not IDS precisely. But the bar does have a depower feature when releasing the bar, similar to IDS, as those old bars had a stopper ball spot that you could push further to give you even more depower, that's why I called it IDS. IDS simply means instant depower. And that idiot had no idea. He should have pulled the QR when he had the chance the first time the kite came down. Obviously a beginner with no prior proper training.

You should probably stop using the term IDS as it is an acronym coined by Cabrinha with the release of their 2009 kites through to 2013. I.D.S. = Intelligent Depower System. It doesn't mean "instant depower" (which is a misleading term in itself) and this just creates confusion and it why you are getting flamed.

They have since gone back to a single flag out system which works the same as this 2007/8 bar setup except that it is all internal which allows you to spin the bar without tangling the leash and so you can untwist your front lines without wrapping the safety line. This is because it is just plain simpler and allows them to reduce the amount of pulleys in their kites as well.