I've seen it, you've seen it and it's a big danger to our local beaches.
Each time I'm going for a session I see some beginner is trying to teach another beginner and it's quit scary.

What can we do to stop it?

Ummmmm - Make love not war

Idea list:

1.Try Humping their leg if that doesnt work, at least you'll be gettin some action lol since yall have no gal at the mo

2. Do as the drop in surfers do and have group hugs on the beach

3. Patience They will fark up all beach protocol till we are banned from them all - and we can all then go back to our normal happy home duties and live in bliss according to the other halves - yippeee WTF

4. Blood and bone or maybe a seal carcass buried at the shoreline to passively let the sharks sought them cherubs out - mother natures way

Say no to 'viloence' and yes to - sex beer & kitesurfing

contact happy1

The answer is obvious.... Lower the price of lessons.

"save the whales" you are a funny m.f.my knees busted up from cervantes sesh recently so ive got nuthin better to do then have sex with a beer rite now and shes all that!!!seriously if you see a kitemare bout to happen get INVOLVED.teach not preach!!!dextrous do the maths from what i understand running a kite school aint cheap and the profits $ wise aint huge mate.....

Whats a licensed instructor anyway ?, Fact is you should have insurance, and then have a lot of expirience, no other requirements.

But personaly i would go with lots of expirience as main reason to chose a competent kite teacher and not some guy with a freshly printed piece of paper.

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deXtrous said...

The answer is obvious.... Lower the price of lessons.

Cheap lessons = low(er) paid instructors = no instructors at all.

Sorry dexxy - flawed logic there.

A bloke accross the road from me is thinking one lesson then solo from there. "NO!" I said it is a false economy and at least 3 lessons (he is 50-ish) should be the minimum. I could see him glazing over as i talked about how important the safety/lessons aspect to the sport are. Sigh.. He just wantrs to get on the water (don't we all) but one smash and you could lose your life or at very least lose multiple values of the cost of a lesson etc. I perservered. Totally glazed response. Double sigh..



One outta the blue here:

Can the initial WAKSA rego fee for learners (seperate catergory as a noob or similar) be given as a credit to a recognised kite school? WAKSA gets zip the 1st year but (most likely) a regular member after that. Learner gets a discount off - preferably - a multiple lesson cost. School gets standard fee either way.

Waddaya think?

I'm working in construction industry and I'm not pimping for any school.

I'm just thinking that there is a step by step instruction method for kite surfing and we can not hook an 11m kite to a 60kg girl and try to use the kite as a trainer kite and drag that poor girl on the beach.

We can not send a beginner with a big kite in the water without teaching her how to self rescue or water relaunch (Unless she is your wife)

I'm getting red thumbs in this topic again so probably I'm wrong or I'm over reacting!

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SaveTheWhales said...

Ummmmm - Make love not war

Idea list:

1.Try Humping their leg if that doesnt work, at least you'll be gettin some action lol since yall have no gal at the mo

2. Do as the drop in surfers do and have group hugs on the beach

3. Patience They will fark up all beach protocol till we are banned from them all - and we can all then go back to our normal happy home duties and live in bliss according to the other halves - yippeee WTF

4. Blood and bone or maybe a seal carcass buried at the shoreline to passively let the sharks sought them cherubs out - mother natures way

Say no to 'viloence' and yes to - sex beer & kitesurfing

sorry couldnt get passed the humping of the leg bit.couldnt even read a post after that.pure gold.from now on thats the way i ride.

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deXtrous said...

The answer is obvious.... Lower the price of lessons.

My local beach has a qualified level 5 windsurf instructor for $30 hr or an IKO Kite instructor for $80 hr go figure???? And it costs allot more time and money to get to level 5 than IKO.

Greed me thinks!!!

I would only recomend a iko instructor and they must have insurance. With these two things if anything happens the person being taught and anyone else that gets in the way is covered and no legal action will be taken against local councils and they will have no reason to close down our beaches.

I dont think you can make lessons any cheaper as the cost of the lesson is inclusive of time, gear and insurance. It doesnt cost the learner any extra if they destroy a brand new kite, lines or loose a board or any other gear during the lesson. If they made no money from it why would you do it.

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getfunky said...

deXtrous said...

The answer is obvious.... Lower the price of lessons.

Cheap lessons = low(er) paid instructors = no instructors at all.

Sorry dexxy - flawed logic there.

A bloke accross the road from me is thinking one lesson then solo from there. "NO!" I said it is a false economy and at least 3 lessons (he is 50-ish) should be the minimum. I could see him glazing over as i talked about how important the safety/lessons aspect to the sport are. Sigh.. He just wantrs to get on the water (don't we all) but one smash and you could lose your life or at very least lose multiple values of the cost of a lesson etc. I perservered. Totally glazed response. Double sigh..



One outta the blue here:

Can the initial WAKSA rego fee for learners (seperate catergory as a noob or similar) be given as a credit to a recognised kite school? WAKSA gets zip the 1st year but (most likely) a regular member after that. Learner gets a discount off - preferably - a multiple lesson cost. School gets standard fee either way.

Waddaya think?

nice idea G Funk. I approve. Post that idea on that ideas thread for aksa..

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I dont think you can make lessons any cheaper as the cost of the lesson is inclusive of time, gear and insurance. It doesnt cost the learner any extra if they destroy a brand new kite, lines or loose a board or any other gear during the lesson. If they made no money from it why would you do it.

Waxman you must be an instructor or have one in the family Windsurf gear costs more than kitesurf gear so your argument doesn't stack up IMO

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Idiot said...

I've seen it, you've seen it and it's a big danger to our local beaches.
Each time I'm going for a session I see some beginner is trying to teach another beginner and it's quit scary.

What can we do to stop it?

Mind your own business. I dont want you or Big Brother trying to run our lives.

If you are so concerned offer some advice to beginners- dont tell me, the bush lawyer in you thinks you should'nt do that either or you might get sued- absolute rubbish.

Does anyone teach their mates anymore, or is that considered a no no these days?

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axis said...

Does anyone teach their mates anymore, or is that considered a no no these days?

Of course they do. Ignore the Big Brother sycophants.

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DILLIGAF2 said...

waxman said...



I dont think you can make lessons any cheaper as the cost of the lesson is inclusive of time, gear and insurance. It doesnt cost the learner any extra if they destroy a brand new kite, lines or loose a board or any other gear during the lesson. If they made no money from it why would you do it.

Waxman you must be an instructor or have one in the family Windsurf gear costs more than kitesurf gear so your argument doesn't stack up IMO

Im no instructor.

I know that windsurfing gear costs more than kiteing gear but windsurfing instructors dont upgrade there gear yearly and the likly hood of it being destroyed is a lot lower and the insurance at a guess wouldnt be anywhere near the cost of kiteing.

Plus pole boarding is gay and gays have no cash......lol

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goofy foot said...

axis said...

Does anyone teach their mates anymore, or is that considered a no no these days?

Of course they do. Ignore the Big Brother sycophants.

ha ha, yes. I recommend lessons to new people but learned with a mate 10 yrs ago. We taught ourselves on 2 liners and had a ball. That said, we'd do downwinders and not see another kite, whereas now they litter the beaches and water.

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Idiot said...What can we do to stop it?

In short, absolutely nothing. Of course, you could always make IKO certification mandatory for anyone teaching kitesurfing, but then you'd have to be prepared to police and enforce it. Not going to happen.

You know the best thing you can do? Approach them in a friendly manner and let them know where they can get professional lessons if they so desire. Beyond that, well, as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water......

i think teaching ur mates somewhere where they can only hurt themselves is the key. but people insist on doing it in locations which cause unessary danger to other water users.

professional lessons however will always have a place and hopefully more people follow down this path as i reckon it leads to a safer water envirmonent. where people havnt gone out and bought the cheapest piece of s%$# they could find and get there mates to help them rig it up and off they go and the most popular beach

there are some mates u can teach and others that will need lessons no matter how hard u try, as they are thick as s@#*. generally mates with previous water experience and that can actually swim

$85 an hour is reasonable for a good instructor. Cost of equipment, insurance, licences etc.

Then add number of teaching opportunities when the wind, tide, conditions etc are suitable.

Then add the fact that there is a limit to how many hours an instructor can effectively teach in one day before exhaustion, heat stroke, dehydration etc kills him/her.

It is very difficult to make a living from being an instructor.

As far as cheap lessons/mates teaching mates: it's a free world, cream rises to the top and a reputable instructor will always have more students than a cowboy.

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Idiot said...

I've seen it, you've seen it and it's a big danger to our local beaches.
Each time I'm going for a session I see some beginner is trying to teach another beginner and it's quit scary.

What can we do to stop it?

Are you the Kite Police, Mr Idiot?

Is your spot a bit crowded and you don't want people to teach their friends cause you are in with a "brand gang"?

There are lots of deserted beaches where people can share the joy and don't have to be instructors to share it.

Take a deep breath

Chill

Learn to fly a kite.

Learn to body drag.

Learn to use your safety.

Learn to re-launch.

Learn to ride an object.

Teach your mates / wives / girlfriends / whatever!

Just do it far away from other people / livesavers / council workers / etc.

Ta Smedge. Not often do i make sense.

Have posted suggestion on the SB AKSA forum.

fair point (idiot) but I think, that sadly, we're doomed because, as things stand with councils, one moron F*&^ks up and we're all banned (unlike fishos - eg jetty shark fishing, see it all the time).
After 10 years I've seen a lot from beginners with no idea to big headed wankers whose compulsion to show off means they trick it up at waters edge and invariably smash down the kite near beach walkers (know of one experienced guy who got punched out for refusing to heed requests to stop reckless trickery near kids and families). My local beach has been banned courtesy of a few morons.

I thought of a two tier disc system - beginner and experienced?
Beginners are limited to certain beaches where they can't do too much harm.
Experienced have access to more beaches. Won't stop the experienced wanker but as a group we can 'have a word' to them.
Our local association makes the grading (pretty easy, fulfil a few simple tests, learner books a review from a list of volunteers, I'd do it, learner is required to turn up to where I say, so not greatly inconvenient)
We could include a gear test? - eg if the lines are frayed and dangerous we don't pass them (remember when a goose with an old kite had his line break and knocked out a beach user). Well maintained gear is critical.
Not real hard to police - coloured discs?
Would impress councils.
Also helps learners - gives them a set of basic goals.

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Chris33 said...

fair point (idiot) but I think, that sadly, we're doomed because, as things stand with councils, one moron F*&^ks up and we're all banned (unlike fishos - eg jetty shark fishing, see it all the time).
After 10 years I've seen a lot from beginners with no idea to big headed wankers whose compulsion to show off means they trick it up at waters edge and invariably smash down the kite near beach walkers (know of one experienced guy who got punched out for refusing to heed requests to stop reckless trickery near kids and families). My local beach has been banned courtesy of a few morons.

I thought of a two tier disc system - beginner and experienced?
Beginners are limited to certain beaches where they can't do too much harm.
Experienced have access to more beaches. Won't stop the experienced wanker but as a group we can 'have a word' to them.
Our local association makes the grading (pretty easy, fulfil a few simple tests, learner books a review from a list of volunteers, I'd do it, learner is required to turn up to where I say, so not greatly inconvenient)
We could include a gear test? - eg if the lines are frayed and dangerous we don't pass them (remember when a goose with an old kite had his line break and knocked out a beach user). Well maintained gear is critical.
Not real hard to police - coloured discs?
Would impress councils.
Also helps learners - gives them a set of basic goals.

Dont think too hard you're positively dangerous.

It stagggers me to think that I could be out kiting with the likes of your type with us all enjoying the feeling of freedom but deep down you would be inclined to want to interfere with the rest of us. Shame on you.

Don't sweat Goofy!

Not real hard to police - coloured discs?
Would impress councils.
Also helps learners - gives them a set of basic goals.

Nothing new, just get the name right : WAKSA and IKO.

We already are wearing coloured tags to ride at some metro beaches in SA. There just membership tags from SAKSA and then the fun police leave you alone. The councils like it because they know it carries public liability insurance which is normally the problem with a lot of spots.

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goofy foot said...


Dont think too hard you're positively dangerous.

It stagggers me to think that I could be out kiting with the likes of your type with us all enjoying the feeling of freedom but deep down you would be inclined to want to interfere with the rest of us. Shame on you.

Mate you are a bit aggressive, aren't you?

If you disagree you can talk about your point of view here and to be honest I agree with you, it's much easier for all of us to be as free as we are right now and if some noob causes an accident he/she is responsible for it not all the kite surfers but your tune is against you.

I started this topic and then I realized if I want to fix this issue I will put my self under Big Brothers surveillance camera and I prefer everything the way it is.

Calm down, we are all friends here and in 95% of the issues we all agree with each other.

Hey goofy foot,
Shame on me for wanting to help keep our beaches open to kiting.
Shame on me for wanting to help learners
Shame on me for considering other beach goers

Hey tiger, the only interference I’ve engaged in during my 10 years in the sport is the rescue of others kiters (2) & swimmers (2) and the generous supply of encouraging hoots as fellow kiters rock on.

Not sure on your powers of reading comprehension but see the bit about losing my local beach to a kiting ban because of stupid kiters. You want some interference? Try having your ‘freedom’ shattered by a council inspector waving you in and slapping you with a fine.

No apologies for thinking – you ought to try it some time.