Not a lot of posts in the Snow/Land kiting forum so Im going to post here instead..

I'm keen to try my hand at Snowkiting this winter and from my reading of this thread; www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Snow-kiting-New-Zealands-South-Island_2643059.aspx

It looks like an amzing location but I'm limitied in my time off so a kite tour might be the best way to get this done. I haven't been able to find any website/shop that is doing a trip this year as most posts are circa 2010/2011..Does anyone have a contact??

I'm open to an Australia snow kite trip too, if people know of something similar let me know

Cheers!

Dave

I think the only crew doing regular snow kite stuff is Tim @ www.kitesports.co.nz . If he doesn't have a tour going then he'll atleast be able to hook you up with some spots.

The main area is the top of the Pisa range in Wanaka, it has reliable snow, decent terrain and get's wind. It's managed by www.snowfarmnz.com . Pisa is massive so it would take you a good couple of weeks to session all the terrain and being a flat plateau on top of a big hill, is rideable in most winds. There used to be Skidoo and snowcat transport available for a small fee to get to the good stuff. This is the epicentre of NZ snow kiting.

The ranges further east (central otago) don't always have snow. If you are cashed up you could probably get a helicopter into the alps for the day.

Another unreal spot is Roundhill in Tekapo, loads of wind and good kiting bowls. Heaps of consistent snow (usually) works in the prevailing Westerly quarter winds. It's a speed riding hub too, so completely cool with kite type things. I'm heading there this year in August for a couple of weeks.

Have fun!

Hi Dave,

NZ is an amazing place for snowkiting, when the conditions are right. This year would be our 5th season in a row, we usually go for 1 month at the time from about mid August to mid September. We found that time of year (towards the end of the season) has the most consistent snow and wind conditions.

Last season (2014) was a disappointment in comparison to all other seasons. We had 3 weeks of high pressure which means no wind and no snow. We had to hike long distance (many hours of hiking each day with all the gear) and get to higher elevations just to have more snow and a few knots of wind. On the other hand this made us discover new areas and we started to spend some nights in the mountain huts to make the most out of each trip.

This is a clip from last season....don't be fooled by the amazing kiter in the video....you can see the thin snow layer and in 90% of the video the wind was blowing not more than 5 knots!



In contrast here is a clip from 2 years ago....2013 was an amazing season!



To my knowledge, Tim doesn't do paid tours anymore and BoarderPatrol is no longer in operation either. You might get Tim or one of his staff to give you a private lesson/tour. Snow kiting businesses are hard to operate down there with a limited customer base. Variable snow and wind conditions and difficulty to access the terrain are some of the reasons the businesses struggle to operate down there.

We talked about starting a snow kiting tour operation down there ourselves but with the poor conditions we had last season we decided to give up on the idea. Having had paid customers last season we would probably have to refund them!

If you come during our dates and base yourself in Wanaka we can probably organize something, we've been teaching and guiding a few of our close friends over the years with great results. We usually get paid in rhum and beers.

Apart from having good snowboarding skills, your best asset for snow kiting is your ability to fly a kite in low wind and crap wind. The ability to reverse-launch and keep a kite in the air with loops in 5 knots in an absolute necessity as the wind is always very variable. Nothing sucks more than being stuck in a knee deep snow gully with a kite that doesn't relaunch. Land kiting skills are a huge help as well. With those sort of skills it will be easy to guide you around and make the most out of your trip.

Local knowledge is key down there and each year we are amazed how much more we learn and discover. Here is an overview of what we mapped up so far:



The post on Seabreeze about the locations is amazingly still pretty accurate ( I think it dates back 6 years or more?) but there are also many more areas.

Snow farm (pisa range) is the most easily accessible. It works best on a NW (prevailing winds). Unlike what Whangas says, anything other than W through N is usually pretty crap and not worth it in our experience. Also, you need to pay for parking (road fee) and pay the owner of the land as well (usually a 1 off fee for the season). If the snow coverage is good (good coverage in the car park) you can pretty much launch nearby and get going. Otherwise you need to be prepared to walk...long distances, as per any other kite spot. Our most memorable sessions were at old woman range and Cardrona, but we also had epic sessions at the top of snow farm.

Here is a typical NW day at snow farm (about 55 KM of kiting).



The tricky thing about any snow kite spots in NZ is that all spots have a difficult starting area (close to the car park) and the easiest and nicest snow and wind conditions are higher up where the land plateau's a bit. This means you have to be pretty skilled and be lucky with snow and wind conditions to start off from lower elevations unless you are prepared to walk... The GPS tracking above is a perfect example (on the Left 1/3 of the image): you have to kite uphill and upwind in rough terrain and usually limited snow coverage until it gets nicer and easier...or walk 1.5 hours!

We've done heli drops in the past which were amazing fun, but we have yet to do the 2-3 days Mount Cook glacier snow kiting trip. You just have to have perfect conditions for this (right wind, right weather for both the heli and the kiting).

So in summary:

-Bring 2 kites + spares. We found that a 2 kite quiver with a big gap works best. 7M for anything above 15 knots and an 11-12m for anything below 15 knots.

-Bring spare parts (bladders, lines, tear aid, spare bar, etc). Last year each of us (8) have broken or replaced something!! There are no kite shops in the area so if you brake something and don't have spares, this could be the end of your trip.

-Be prepared for long walks (up to 4 hours per day). Bring a comfortable back pack that can easily fit 2 kites, food and water, etc.

-Bring a warm winter sleeping bag if you want to spend nights in the mountain huts.

-Be prepared for a snowless and windless trip or at the very least a few windless days....have other activities planned such as snowboarding, mountain biking, heli-skiing, etc. The longer you plan to stay the better and the more flexible on your dates and the more last minute you book your flight (checking the conditions before you book) the better as well.

-Be prepared for your board to get damaged especially if the snow coverage is thin. A board tuning kit is essential for us.

-It's best to hire a 4wd to access all the terrain easily. We often have to put chains on 4WD's as well in some areas. You can also hire a 4wd for 1 day at the time when planning trips in remote areas, which is what we do.

-A serious 4WD with a snowmobile is the best way to easily access the most epic terrain with little effort. That being said, we got stuck many times and the effort of getting unstuck can be equivalent to a few hours of walking

Fingers crossed we get a good season this year!

Christian

As always, that's a great writeup Christian. Has got me excited at the thought of combining my 2 favorite sports, well skiing and kiting.

But I'm thinking that as wind in the mountains is highly affected by the terrain, I wonder if it is not more of a pain to try and ski/board with a kite than just do regular downhill. I imagine when the wind and snow are good it's epic, but it sounds as though it's very hit and miss.

I reckon if I lived in the mountains I'd be doing it when conditions are good, but not sure about devoting a trip for it.

thanks for the info!

Hi Christian!

So much info i dont know where to start but as Dave Whettingsteel said, fantastic write up! The videos are awesome, got me even keener to try it. Skill wise i think im proficent at both kiting and in the snow but have never tried land kiting, I dont have any significant back country experience either...Thanks for the offer to come join you, I'll have to see how much leave i can take, indeed having to do it on short notice might make this hard too.

Snow kiting sounds a lot more hit and miss than I had imagined but it makes sense given there isnt anyone who is able to run tours.

Have you had an easier time snow kiting in Australia? Is it easier to access and is the terrain suitable for a novice heading over for a ski week?

Awesome to see a sparked interest in snowkiting.

Always RAD to be back in NZ, usually around the end of August.

Oh, and I'm planning my next trip at the moment.
But this year I'm thinking more Arthur's pass adventure rather than southern lakes.

I thought I should add a quick warning about the changing conditions of NZ, you can get into trouble fast and I would not recommend heading into any backcountry areas without local knowledge and supplies.

Personally I've almost got lost at old man/woman range, it can be hard to find the car on the way back out, especially if light starts to drop of cloud rolls in.

Australia also has great snowkiting, some of which is super easy to access.

Wow, wow, wow. These clips look amazing! I have just been looking into snow kiting in NZ, and came across this post, thanks so much for posting.
Pretty inspired!

Hi Dave,

As Polykarb says, there are many snow kiting destinations in OZ. I personally only played around the Perisher area when I was a beginner kiter 5 years ago so didn't get that far, just stayed close to the car park area near the base of the resort.

Thredbo and Mt-Hotham seem to have good areas as well for snow kiting. Hard to believe but last season, Australia had a much better snow season than NZ, which is unusual of course! I'm pretty sure the wind is much more reliable and strong in NZ as well. I'm sure other people on here can give you much more advice than me about snow kiting in OZ.

The thing in NZ is as you gain altitude (usually above 2000m) you're pretty much guaranteed to have snow and at least a few knots of wind, any day. Plus you never have trees which is a bonus. With 5 knots and the right skills set, you can honestly start to enjoy snow kiting. 10 knots on a 12m kite and you're well powered. We often launch at the snow line (say 1500m) with about 10 knots, then as we approach 2500m, the wind typically blows 25-30 knots, which is too much for comfort even on a 7m kite!

The scenario we had last season in NZ is unusual and not likely to happen again.

Whether you choose Australia or NZ it's really all down to the conditions, you just need to lower your expectations and be ready to hike. By exploring, you'll always find something and get to know the area well. A GPS device is a really handy tool, as Polykarb mentions, you can get lost easily, especially in a storm. One day, we had to use my GPS watch to find our way back in a complete whiteout, in Old Woman range as well.

If you've never flown a kite below 15 knots I'd recommend you spend some time doing that, even without a board. Perfect your light wind skills and light wind relaunching skills on the land. Find an open space like a park on a low wind - crap wind day and try to keep you kite in the air for as long as possible and throw some loops when the wind drops and the kite stalls, just to keep it flying.

A lot of people going snow kiting for the first time expect to be launching right next to a car park with 20 knots of wind blowing consistently and in knee deep snow....by now you understand the combinations of those is highly unlikely!

Be ready to put in some effort, get ready to have your flying skills and relaunching skills challenged, connect with the right people and you may find a new passion!

Christian

Hey guys. Bit of a resurrect here but was doing my research for snowkiting this year and stumbled across this post.

I was in Queenstown/Wanaka last year in September and got to kite with one of Tim's (of kitesport.co.nz)'s instructors, Peter. So if you are going I'd say it's worth flicking Tim an email to check if Peter (or anyone else) is still around. Due to relatively low interest and dependence on conditions I got the impression it's operated on a fairly casual basis but they are friendly enough and I had a great time - happy to relate more of my experience if you're curious. As polykarb says I have no idea how you'd do it without local knowledge.

@Green Cherub - I'm not sure if you've done any research on snowkiting in Aus? I'm from QLD and was thinking of trying to head down to NSW/VIC for a half week of snowkiting, but as you say, it's a relatively hard sport to crack into. After what I saw in NZ I'm even less keen to try and do it on my own. Please do let me know if you find anything.

It is early days yet but El Niño should mean lots of snow and strong wind this winter for NZ.
This week's wintry blast dropped snow to levels that I have almost never seen before.

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Green Cherub said..
Not a lot of posts in the Snow/Land kiting forum so Im going to post here instead..

I'm keen to try my hand at Snowkiting this winter and from my reading of this thread; www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Snow-kiting-New-Zealands-South-Island_2643059.aspx

It looks like an amzing location but I'm limitied in my time off so a kite tour might be the best way to get this done. I haven't been able to find any website/shop that is doing a trip this year as most posts are circa 2010/2011..Does anyone have a contact??

I'm open to an Australia snow kite trip too, if people know of something similar let me know

Cheers!

Dave

Hey Dave, I've been heading to NZ for a couple of weeks for the last couple of seasons, just got back last week. Once you spend a day backcountry in deep powder riding UP hill, you will struggle to bring yourself to pay for a lift ticket again!

Drop us a PM if you're interested for a trip next year.