Interesting to see a dedicated mega looping kite to hit the market. We've got dedicated Wave, Race, unhooked wakestyle, and beginner kites.

It looks similar to some of the fuels I used to ride, with slightly rounded wingtips. I used to love kiteloops, and one or two megaloops, but used to have to mess with line lengths to stop the pendlum slacking and dropping me hard. The RPMs were "kiteloops without consequence". They tended to be more helicopter kiteloops.

Anyway the Cuben Cigar is back...... Only time will tell.

That's sick epic super insaneness.

Sad that they didn't release an 8 meter.

Also, the bar looks like it has no flagging system? unless they will be adding it to the production model.

No flagout. Its victory or death. If you need to release. release the whole kite!

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dave...... said..

Interesting to see a dedicated mega looping kite to hit the market. We've got dedicated Wave, Race, unhooked wakestyle, and beginner kites.

You wanna point me in the direction of that kite Dave? Would be keen to check it out.

Unhooked wakestyle..... eg. Blade Prime. Doesnt jump too well, a very cable like kite.

http://bladekites.com/products/prime

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dave...... said...

Interesting to see a dedicated mega looping kite to hit the market.

Holy blowen ACL batmat.
I hear chicks dig guys who cant walk. Win win for everone.

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Capt Loopy said..

dave...... said...

Interesting to see a dedicated mega looping kite to hit the market.

Holy blowen ACL batmat.
I hear chicks dig guys who cant walk. Win win for everone.

They totally do! Crutches = chick magnet


Old mate used to have a spare pair he'd take out on the town every once in a while, 60% of the time, they worked everytime

Do they still fall apart and explode after a couple of ride's or season's?

What's the blabber construction like now?

If I was paid enough cash I'd say anything too......

Where are Best kites made,in which city / country ?

Last thing I knew they were made in the Neil Pryde factory the same as cabrinha

Ah.. Huh.... That would explain it! I'm not sure if it's just newbies or the manufacturing process but
I have seen a lot of kites implode n explode from there.. Could be too much pressure and a few other things....

Might be me, but they seem too be on the beach shredded a lot!

I love my kites.

haha, are Best still making kites...?
i havent seen one for ages...
well at least every kook isn't riding them, they're now on the North's.
lol.

Cubin fibre?
Wasn't that the same rad material that Best used for the Hellfish?

Disclaimer: I have owned and had a lot of fun on a Best kite (though I have moved on from there), I just can't stomach the marketing spiel...
Best are not alone in their spiel, but they do seem to set the industry standard for BS.

Sounds like it will be an awesome kite - if they get it right...

Its exactly what the Loopy guys need - instead of a mongrelized kite that unhooks and is good for wakestyle etc etc.
Acl problems from not a big enough jump or slow turning kite that stalls at the back of the window, no wonder theres so many people funked up with injuries. So yes again a great idea that has its place with a category.

Its obviously aimed at the advanced rider - and with all that skill, you would certainly have your 'Own' kite bar of preference for safety when going hard and not get funked up by using one that could potentially get you into trouble... a long throw bar, single line flag out and OSH loops does the trick nicely and dont forget a line knife...

For those of you who cant let go of the Hellfish - thats pretty lame now unless you still ride 2 liners ? I didnt see any explode at the king of air - probably because they use 'modern day' materials like everyone else The Nemesis cubin fibre LE has been going rock solid for a long time now...

Bs - theres not a single company in the market that doesnt say there kite is better than last years model - so technically your favourite kite should be able to jump kilometre high if that models been out for a while huh

Interesting that Ruben says he hasnt styled it to be an unhooking kite, in taking advantage of a thinner LE with the correct foil profile, they may just have something good..

Untill then - make sure you jump high enough hey

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SaveTheWhales said...

Its exactly what the Loopy guys need - instead of a mongrelized kite that unhooks and is good for wakestyle etc etc.

As far as I'm aware no kites are "wakesstyle" kites. Every kite that claims to be for wakesstyle is far better at jumping and looping than it is for wakestyle. Sure they work alright for wake tricks but they deffinetly aren't designed 100% for it.
I find it laughable that we have dedicated race and wave kites and now a looping kite but they can't focus their efforts on something 100% dedicated to unhooked no whip tricks, especially given how popular it is in regards to these other things.
P.s. That's the entire industry I'm talking about here.

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sir ROWDY said..

As far as I'm aware no kites are "wakesstyle" kites. Every kite that claims to be for wakesstyle is far better at jumping and looping than it is for wakestyle. Sure they work alright for wake tricks but they deffinetly aren't designed 100% for it.
I find it laughable that we have dedicated race and wave kites and now a looping kite but they can't focus their efforts on something 100% dedicated to unhooked no whip tricks, especially given how popular it is in regards to these other things.
P.s. That's the entire industry I'm talking about here.

I see a massive business opportunity for you here Rowdy.

Considering that the current normal beginner path is

Learn to ride upwind -> Land a backroll -> Swap to boots(but keep board handle) and become a hardcore wakestyle rider

you will make ****loads of money on that kite...

Interesting comment Rowdy. I'm curious as to what your criteria is for a good wakestyle kite.
Low aspect so it sits deep in the window?
Requires significant rider input to turn?
C kite for post pop slack? Quite a few wakestylers ride kites which don't generate much slack.

Rowdy - im glad you got the 'everything gets Mongrelized' point.

Anyway back on topic - at a guess, Ruben would have wanted in his contract to design his own kite, thats why its appearing now.

Not having to worry about multiple factors as with normal kites and the 'i want' whinge
its one priority is to go big and loop hard n fast.

The Reviews should be very interesting too - unless your going big, your gonna get laughed out of credibility - tales of knee injuries, broken ribs... We'll know you didnt get the height.

Bring it on ;)

As far as Marketing BS. I ride best for one reason. Their warranty system is not BS and you can actually get parts. I rode 3 other brands previously. Im not here to bag brands so I wont mention them. One brand I had a manufacturing issue. It took me 9 months for the company to replace it. I has to wait up to 2 months to get a replacement depower rope, and none of my mates who had the other model at the time could get P-lines as they twisted and got a lot shorter. I actually went to consumer affairs over the other two brands before I got any sort of satisfaction. When seams have only been glued and not stitched Its pretty bloody obvious etc....

For me BS is kite companies who once they get you $$$$ they really dont care about aftersales service or honouring their warranty policy. I chose my kites after I demo them, every kite brand BS's when it comes to features and benefits over last year's model.

Im sure we will all get a good look at the kite in action when he does the 'king of Air' comp 2014...

Number, I see what you did there, but I don't think you really get the full picture.
Wakestyle = doing handlepass type tricks, or similar wake influenced tricks. Whether you have boots or not doesn't matter.
I know it might be hard to believe, but In the rest of the world the water is mostly flat and choppy. Almost every person at one of those spots with an average skill level is trying to learn some sort of trick with a handle pass in it. A kite that flys 100% for this purpose would really help a lot of people. A kite that is also good for looping and jumping is almost the opposite of that, yet they lump the two together like they go hand in hand... Point being the rest of the world is a lot bigger than you think, yet somehow we have dedicated wave and race gear for the minorities, but no wakestyle kite for what I believe to be a much broader market. Go figure.

Awesome News ..

Nemi???s are my favourite kites for flat water , just had to say their bullet proof
There is no reliably issue with the Nemi cubin fibre leading edge been using them for 6 years , own the all model from 08-12 still use the 2008 HP 7m in strong wind . Pump m up with a compressor min 12psi these kites are mad for looping! Super low drag with thin leading edge..



Live on .... new Nemi Hp / Extract Ruben???s style!!

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dave...... said...
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Interesting to see a dedicated mega looping kite to hit the market. We've got dedicated Wave, Race, unhooked wakestyle, and beginner kites.

It looks similar to some of the fuels I used to ride, with slightly rounded wingtips. I used to love kiteloops, and one or two megaloops, but used to have to mess with line lengths to stop the pendlum slacking and dropping me hard. The RPMs were "kiteloops without consequence". They tended to be more helicopter kiteloops.

Anyway the Cuben Cigar is back...... Only time will tell.

Rpm' no consequences?
Helicopter loops
Please explain?
Rpm owner thinking of looping boosts

Some kites will loop a 1000 times within 10 feet with no pull - the megalooping ones with power will yank on you like being shot out of a Canon with a few overhead loops to land half way down the beach.... Fark Yeah :)

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sir ROWDY said..

Number, I see what you did there, but I don't think you really get the full picture.
Wakestyle = doing handlepass type tricks, or similar wake influenced tricks. Whether you have boots or not doesn't matter.
I know it might be hard to believe, but In the rest of the world the water is mostly flat and choppy. Almost every person at one of those spots with an average skill level is trying to learn some sort of trick with a handle pass in it. A kite that flys 100% for this purpose would really help a lot of people. A kite that is also good for looping and jumping is almost the opposite of that, yet they lump the two together like they go hand in hand... Point being the rest of the world is a lot bigger than you think, yet somehow we have dedicated wave and race gear for the minorities, but no wakestyle kite for what I believe to be a much broader market. Go figure.

I know, I was just bashing the new trend that everybody should put boats on the board. Sometimes I see people that cannot go upwind getting in their boots and never make it off the beach :)

But I agree that it must be more wakestylers than racers. But I think it's more of a demographic thing. A wakestyler is quite likely to be 15-25 and a backpacker or a student. That guy will hassle for the price or buy second hand kites. The average race guy is 40 years, got a well paid job and don't mind spending $2000 on a board and to buy a full quiver of new kites every season.

I don't have that much of a commercial experience from the kite industry, but lawnmovers usually don't hassle about the price.

You're right in the case of the Australian market, but if you went to say Germany/ Spain/ France etc. I think you would be pretty surprised. Lots of older guys freestyling and tons of people willing to blow the money on gear, most of them not really riding waves and almost none I saw racing.

Personally I think this problem stems more from the fact that kite companies don't even realise they aren't producing a good wakestyle/ handlepass product, they think what they make already is great. What they make already is alright and is good if you also want to use the kite to loop and boost big, but if you are 100% focused on handlepass type tricks they could still be improved a lot.

A good example I think would be Waveriding with an SS Fuel. For all intensive purposes it works fine and you can still ride it well if you are a decent rider, however a kite specifically designed for waves such as a Reo would do a far better job for most people. If you didn't know the Reo even existed though, you wouldn't worry about it... I think this is the case with handle-pass type kites currently.

Is this just a hellfish in different paint colours ? :)

Heres a few of the latest Extract Pics, doin what Len 10 does best - foo some flash paint ay
Looks like 4 line direct connection...

Ruben Extracted - 40-60knots fark yeah




and a Mega grab for fun - check out the line angle

Yeah it's a really cool idea to branch out and make kites for specific disciplines. Wonder exactly how popular this kite would be? I could see a 7m being something fun to have for most people that enjoy big airs and loops, i'm pretty sure if it loops hard it must boost hard for the older folk as well, old school whip jumps instead of these pansy bring the kite to 12 and sheet in jumps

Rowdy is right though, a kite completely dedicated to wakestyle and nothing else (no competition, no freestyle big airs and kiteloops) would be awesome for any riders who want to get into unhooking. I remember the old Catapult kites I had were a bit like that, super predictable and slow until there was significant input from the rider (ie rider actually wants the kite to turn) and i have to say i progressed the fastest riding that kite because it wasn't so packed with punching power that smashed you every time you made a mistake in high winds and the kite generally stayed where it was meant to during tricks. it will make learning wakestyle easier for those who are interested in it.