Question for the REO V5 owners. How long (hours/sessions) before you started to see wear developing at the tip of the soft trailing edge support battens? No other trailing edge wear is visible.

I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

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dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

had a similar thing on a moto ... presume its additional wear or stress on fabric due to the carbon struts

haven't had the same problem with my drifters, but then I don't hold onto them for years

Looks like a design issue, Like the stiffness of the batten is concentrating all of the stresses and movement into one spot at the batten end... so reinforcement of batten pocket needs to extend somewhat further than batten end to dissipate the stress. Or battens having more flexible tips?

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Narrak said..
Question for the REO V5 owners. How long (hours/sessions) before you started to see wear developing at the tip of the soft trailing edge support battens? No other trailing edge wear is visible.

Reo's and most 3 strut kites will flutter a bit when flown depowered across the top of the wind which is what happens whenwe turn onto a wave or suddenly change direction.
The minor fracturing of the coating on the D2 cloth that you can see is nothing to be concerned about, D2 cloth and all the versions of Teijin cloth that have multi strand rip stop, do this. The fibres or threads are coated first, then the thread is woven into cloth and then that cloth is coated in resin again, but the threads are individually coated and this is what made D2 and D3 cloth superior to ordinary single coated cloths.

Ozone pioneered the use of soft eva foam battens to reduce flutter, and make the kite more durable and user friendly. Hard carbon or fibreglass battens don't work any better at reducing flutter but they do keep the repair guys busy because they break easily and frequently but also make it a hassle to fold the kite and tend to make the cloth around them weaker because they are so hard compared to the cloth they are supposed to protect. Hard battens are also very heavy.

Regards

Steve

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KPSS Used said..

Narrak said..
Question for the REO V5 owners. How long (hours/sessions) before you started to see wear developing at the tip of the soft trailing edge support battens? No other trailing edge wear is visible.

Reo's and most 3 strut kites will flutter a bit when flown depowered across the top of the wind which is what happens whenwe turn onto a wave or suddenly change direction.
The minor fracturing of the coating on the D2 cloth that you can see is nothing to be concerned about, D2 cloth and all the versions of Teijin cloth that have multi strand rip stop, do this. The fibres or threads are coated first, then the thread is woven into cloth and then that cloth is coated in resin again, but the threads are individually coated and this is what made D2 and D3 cloth superior to ordinary single coated cloths.

Ozone pioneered the use of soft eva foam battens to reduce flutter, and make the kite more durable and user friendly. Hard carbon or fibreglass battens don't work any better at reducing flutter but they do keep the repair guys busy because they break easily and frequently but also make it a hassle to fold the kite and tend to make the cloth around them weaker because they are so hard compared to the cloth they are supposed to protect. Hard battens are also very heavy.

Regards

Steve

Thanks Steve. My previous kites (V1 Enduros) had zero sign of this after 30-40 sessions.
are you saying that this happens quicker on the REO because of switching off the power and it flutters whilst drifting?
I would have thought it would take a lot of hours use for this type of thing to occur.
cheers.

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KPSS Used said..

Narrak said..
Question for the REO V5 owners. How long (hours/sessions) before you started to see wear developing at the tip of the soft trailing edge support battens? No other trailing edge wear is visible.

Reo's and most 3 strut kites will flutter a bit when flown depowered across the top of the wind which is what happens whenwe turn onto a wave or suddenly change direction.
The minor fracturing of the coating on the D2 cloth that you can see is nothing to be concerned about, D2 cloth and all the versions of Teijin cloth that have multi strand rip stop, do this. The fibres or threads are coated first, then the thread is woven into cloth and then that cloth is coated in resin again, but the threads are individually coated and this is what made D2 and D3 cloth superior to ordinary single coated cloths.

Ozone pioneered the use of soft eva foam battens to reduce flutter, and make the kite more durable and user friendly. Hard carbon or fibreglass battens don't work any better at reducing flutter but they do keep the repair guys busy because they break easily and frequently but also make it a hassle to fold the kite and tend to make the cloth around them weaker because they are so hard compared to the cloth they are supposed to protect. Hard battens are also very heavy.

Regards

Steve

Thanks Steve. My previous kites (V1 Enduros) had zero sign of this after 30-40 sessions.
are you saying that this happens quicker on the REO because of switching off the power and it flutters whilst drifting?
I would have thought it would take a lot of hours use for this type of thing to occur.
cheers.

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Narrak said..

KPSS Used said..

Narrak said..
Question for the REO V5 owners. How long (hours/sessions) before you started to see wear developing at the tip of the soft trailing edge support battens? No other trailing edge wear is visible.

Reo's and most 3 strut kites will flutter a bit when flown depowered across the top of the wind which is what happens whenwe turn onto a wave or suddenly change direction.
The minor fracturing of the coating on the D2 cloth that you can see is nothing to be concerned about, D2 cloth and all the versions of Teijin cloth that have multi strand rip stop, do this. The fibres or threads are coated first, then the thread is woven into cloth and then that cloth is coated in resin again, but the threads are individually coated and this is what made D2 and D3 cloth superior to ordinary single coated cloths.

Ozone pioneered the use of soft eva foam battens to reduce flutter, and make the kite more durable and user friendly. Hard carbon or fibreglass battens don't work any better at reducing flutter but they do keep the repair guys busy because they break easily and frequently but also make it a hassle to fold the kite and tend to make the cloth around them weaker because they are so hard compared to the cloth they are supposed to protect. Hard battens are also very heavy.

Regards

Steve

Thanks Steve. My previous kites (V1 Enduros) had zero sign of this after 30-40 sessions.
are you saying that this happens quicker on the REO because of switching off the power and it flutters whilst drifting?
I would have thought it would take a lot of hours use for this type of thing to occur.
cheers.

Definitely happens on Enduros too. My Reo kites don't flutter at the TE when drifting, but there can be some luffing close to the LE which is normal and desirable for wave kites. The only time I hear or see my kite flutter is when I turn onto waves and fly the kite across the top of the window. When I'm nicely powered to a bit underpowered I usually downloop the kite as I turn onto the wave.

I had a look two days ago at my most used Reo, the 8 meter. I could barely notice the wear you are talking about, but it shows if I look hard enough. I have absolutely hammered this kite as far as riding goes, (not saying crashing it and having it hit hard sand, more like hard riding, tons of looping and jumping, and certainly with exactly what Steve mentioned as far as a little fluttering across the wind window) and I don't really think that wear at the trailing edge is an issue. V1 Enduro's had a lot more flutter than the v2, but the v5 Reo does flutter a bit in transition if you aren't smooth enough in your turn, and especially more so in the higher wind range for the size of the kite. Seriously I would not be worried, and every Reo I have sold on has lived another long life with the next owner.

I have R4s and have no issue with wear - I'm the second owner and ride a lot and hard in the waves - mainly my 8m (I have 6m and 10m). I get the flutter Steve mentions - no issue to me - and on the durability issue of these kites generally, they're excellent IMO!
I pay for my kites.

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dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

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billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

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Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

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Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

u

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billygreen said..

Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

u

Yeh. Thanks for your help. Feel free to keep your crap opinions to yourself.

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Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

Narrak said..

billygreen said..

Narrak said..

dafish said..
I have had three of my v5's for two seasons with no signs of wear. My 8 is my most used kite and it is still in perfect shape. I do take the time to fold it properly after every session. I never rinse the kite or brush the sand off with a brush, I just shake it free. I have one v4 left in my quiver, a 6 meter which I use for foiling and downwind surfing, but that too is in immaculate shape. Best if you put up a photo to see the wear you are talking about.

Here is a pic. Didn't turn out as clear as on my phone however, you can get the idea.

maybe kiting is not the right sport for you?

Who is that comment aimed at? Dafish or me?

u

Yeh. Thanks for your help. Feel free to keep your crap opinions to yourself.

those wrinkles are probably from hosing your kite down after every session

@billygreen guy asks a good question and you come up with this? pull your head in mate.

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Peahi said..
@billygreen guy asks a good question and you come up with this? pull your head in mate.

pretty liberal with your use of the word 'good'