Recovering from a Kite Inversion / Bridle tangle

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KiteBud
KiteBud
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5 Jan 2015 1:46pm
Hi all,

I’ve been meaning to shoot this video for a while...finally got around to it, so here it is!

I know advanced/expert kiters have their own methods to sort out inversions and bridle tangles without using the safety system. As with all my safety videos, they are targeted at beginners and intermediate kiters, with a focus on using the safety systems to get out of trouble.

Something we unfortunately don’t see very often when kiters get in trouble is having the first reflex to use the safety system. Hesitation to use safety systems after a kite inversion often results in long downwind drifts and long swims back to the shore…sometimes with out of control kites!

Hopefully this video will continue to encourage more kiters to use their safety systems at the early stages when something goes wrong.

I believe our sport would be a lot safer if all of us became more familiar with our safety systems.



Thanks for watching,

Christian
KBKiting
KBKiting
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7 posts
5 Jan 2015 2:12pm
very helpful.
gkawo
gkawo
VIC
193 posts
VIC, 193 posts
5 Jan 2015 5:17pm
Awesome video! Very simple and quite common to many kiters I am sure. I recently converted my kite from a 5th line to a 4 line kite to avoid issues with the 5th line, but after watching your video I think I should have left it alone and relax more about the safety system. Thanks for sharing mate. :)
dafish
dafish
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5 Jan 2015 5:17pm
Nice one Christian. I am sure this will help many people in the future who haven't learned these important skills.
snalberski
snalberski
WA
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5 Jan 2015 5:02pm
Great vid and info Christian. Its very timely and possibly even prompted by the fact that I've been inverting my kite every single session for the past week or more (since I started trying downloops). Got any vids on downloops?
johnnydiesel
johnnydiesel
WA
8 posts
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5 Jan 2015 5:16pm
cbulota said..
Hi all,

I’ve been meaning to shoot this video for a while...finally got around to it, so here it is!

I know advanced/expert kiters have their own methods to sort out inversions and bridle tangles without using the safety system. As with all my safety videos, they are targeted at beginners and intermediate kiters, with a focus on using the safety systems to get out of trouble.

Something we unfortunately don’t see very often when kiters get in trouble is having the first reflex to use the safety system. Hesitation to use safety systems after a kite inversion often results in long downwind drifts and long swims back to the shore…sometimes with out of control kites!

Hopefully this video will continue to encourage more kiters to use their safety systems at the early stages when something goes wrong.

I believe our sport would be a lot safer if all of us became more familiar with our safety systems.



Thanks for watching,

Christian


thanks Christian,
very clear concise method to correct a common problem
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
5 Jan 2015 5:56pm
Very good! I never knew you could do that to clear a mangle/ inversion.

cheers
nikmcc
nikmcc
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6 Jan 2015 12:36pm
Thanks for posting
KiteBud
KiteBud
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6 Jan 2015 9:59am
snalberski said..
Great vid and info Christian. Its very timely and possibly even prompted by the fact that I've been inverting my kite every single session for the past week or more (since I started trying downloops). Got any vids on downloops?


Thanks for the support everyone.

snalberski, can't say you haven't been of some influence there. It's good that my students get to see live problematic scenarios on a regular basis. Perhaps this video will help you manage the situation better and avoid some of the long downwind drifts and out of control kite.

You're trying kiteloops, not down-loops, which is why you crash so hard. Learn to ride toe-side both ways. Once you can ride toe side both ways at speed, try a downloop in a transition from toe side to heel side while your board is pointing directly downwind with speed, it's the easiest and safest way to learn loops. It will also help if you're not overpowered so a smaller kite is better to learn loops. You still break at the waist a lot which doesn't help your stance, since you've been kiting overpowered for a long time.
mickeeH
mickeeH
WA
71 posts
WA, 71 posts
6 Jan 2015 11:20am
awesome, thanks for posting Christian.

I have an ozone single line flag out, but removed the stopper ball on the flag out line a long time ago, as it was getting in the way, especially on self launches. Think i might need to reattach it so the bar doesn't end up at the kite, and get an even worse tangled mess. Does anyone know how to rettach these? i can't remember how it was fixed to the line. I know it needs to be an entire wingspan in length from the end of the line.
Cheers,.
rockykite
rockykite
VIC
62 posts
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6 Jan 2015 5:42pm
Thanks for the vid....awesome stuff. Keep up the good work Christian!
danatgbay
danatgbay
WA
53 posts
WA, 53 posts
6 Jan 2015 8:22pm
Thankyou for that.
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
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6 Jan 2015 9:48pm
mickeeH said...
awesome, thanks for posting Christian.

I have an ozone single line flag out, but removed the stopper ball on the flag out line a long time ago, as it was getting in the way, especially on self launches.


I did the same on my ozones previously. It is a pain in the arse, I'll show you another way of uninverting if you want. I'm the bald guy riding fuels.
8Phill8
8Phill8
WA
26 posts
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8 Jan 2015 11:08am
Awesome, thanks, will definitely do that next time
Ben - Ikon
Ben - Ikon
WA
113 posts
WA, 113 posts
8 Jan 2015 12:33pm
NickT said..

mickeeH said...
awesome, thanks for posting Christian.

I have an ozone single line flag out, but removed the stopper ball on the flag out line a long time ago, as it was getting in the way, especially on self launches.



I did the same on my ozones previously. It is a pain in the arse, I'll show you another way of uninverting if you want. I'm the bald guy riding fuels.


NickT is really good at uninverting. He just go for two inversions. The second inversion cancelling the first one. But dont try that at home, this guy is a pro stunter
Gremio83
Gremio83
WA
24 posts
WA, 24 posts
8 Jan 2015 12:53pm
Awesome video!
Thanks for sharing!
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
8 Jan 2015 5:08pm
Good tips, great video. Well done.
noodelsrominov
noodelsrominov
VIC
265 posts
VIC, 265 posts
8 Jan 2015 10:27pm
So whats everyone's tricks and tips for sorting out the inversion on the water? I've only successfully done this once. I unclipped my leash put it through my front lines clipped it back on. Then holding the front lines with enough slack threaded my bar through as well. As I'm writing this im thinking **** that's a bit dangerous. However, the reason I did it out on the water was cause I would have to self land and with my lines crossed seemed even more dangerous. This was with a 4line naish bar. Anyone got a good way to do it on the water?
prea
prea
QLD
184 posts
QLD, 184 posts
9 Jan 2015 9:29am
cbulota said..
Hi all,

I’ve been meaning to shoot this video for a while...finally got around to it, so here it is!

I know advanced/expert kiters have their own methods to sort out inversions and bridle tangles without using the safety system. As with all my safety videos, they are targeted at beginners and intermediate kiters, with a focus on using the safety systems to get out of trouble.

Something we unfortunately don’t see very often when kiters get in trouble is having the first reflex to use the safety system. Hesitation to use safety systems after a kite inversion often results in long downwind drifts and long swims back to the shore…sometimes with out of control kites!

Hopefully this video will continue to encourage more kiters to use their safety systems at the early stages when something goes wrong.

I believe our sport would be a lot safer if all of us became more familiar with our safety systems.



Thanks for watching,

Christian


Great skills Christian
inverting your kite at will
I'm over handlepasses

great advise keep it up
Pete
Nissey
Nissey
VIC
64 posts
VIC, 64 posts
11 Jan 2015 1:11pm
I can't play the video do you know where else I can view it


NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
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11 Jan 2015 10:37am
noodelsrominov said...
So whats everyone's tricks and tips for sorting out the inversion on the water? I've only successfully done this once. I unclipped my leash put it through my front lines clipped it back on. Then holding the front lines with enough slack threaded my bar through as well. As I'm writing this im thinking **** that's a bit dangerous. However, the reason I did it out on the water was cause I would have to self land and with my lines crossed seemed even more dangerous. This was with a 4line naish bar. Anyone got a good way to do it on the water?


Pretty much bang on but only clip your leash around 1 line so it won't get tangled as you pass the bar through.

It's easier to do on the beach with your kite resting on the water, and you don't drift downwind whilst you're doing it.

Don't change your leash position until you're finished though.
ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1005 posts
WA, 1005 posts
11 Jan 2015 11:00am
The ball is attached at 7 or 8m from the bar on the flagging line we have them as a spare in shop swing by and we'll reattach or replace it for you
Toddy
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1613 posts
WA, 1613 posts
11 Jan 2015 11:38am
Nissey said..
I can't play the video do you know where else I can view it




Nissey,

I've just uploaded it to my Youtube Channel as well:



If you still can't play it, I reckon it must be an issue from your end.
RickyDee
RickyDee
NSW
47 posts
NSW, 47 posts
11 Jan 2015 8:18pm
Thanks Christian, a very helpful vid. Cheers
noodelsrominov
noodelsrominov
VIC
265 posts
VIC, 265 posts
11 Jan 2015 9:37pm
NickT said...
noodelsrominov said...
So whats everyone's tricks and tips for sorting out the inversion on the water? I've only successfully done this once. I unclipped my leash put it through my front lines clipped it back on. Then holding the front lines with enough slack threaded my bar through as well. As I'm writing this im thinking **** that's a bit dangerous. However, the reason I did it out on the water was cause I would have to self land and with my lines crossed seemed even more dangerous. This was with a 4line naish bar. Anyone got a good way to do it on the water?


Pretty much bang on but only clip your leash around 1 line so it won't get tangled as you pass the bar through.

It's easier to do on the beach with your kite resting on the water, and you don't drift downwind whilst you're doing it.

Don't change your leash position until you're finished though.


Thanks Nick, had a bloody annoying inversion today followed by 20mins while the wind was pumping untangling my lines.
I put forward a challenge to kite companies to come up with a 2 line system that doesn't kill people and has 100% depower.....this would much easier to deal with inversions
Alysum
Alysum
NSW
1030 posts
NSW, 1030 posts
12 Jan 2015 2:06am
For those who are deaf, can someone please explain the method explained in the video? It's a shame there's no captions on the video.
Watching it, looks like release safety, pull bars back and relaunch. Obviously there's something else to this...

Cheers
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1613 posts
WA, 1613 posts
11 Jan 2015 11:45pm
Alysum said..
For those who are deaf, can someone please explain the method explained in the video? It's a shame there's no captions on the video.
Watching it, looks like release safety, pull bars back and relaunch. Obviously there's something else to this...

Cheers


Subtitles are available in the Youtube video I posted above, just press the Subtitles/CC button to activate them. Enjoy
Nissey
Nissey
VIC
64 posts
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12 Jan 2015 10:02am
RickyDee said..
Thanks Christian, a very helpful vid. Cheers



cbulota said..

Nissey said..
I can't play the video do you know where else I can view it





Nissey,

I've just uploaded it to my Youtube Channel as well:



If you still can't play it, I reckon it must be an issue from your end.



Awesome I do this all the time, tangle my kite that is will give it a go
Alysum
Alysum
NSW
1030 posts
NSW, 1030 posts
12 Jan 2015 11:43am
cbulota said..

Alysum said..
For those who are deaf, can someone please explain the method explained in the video? It's a shame there's no captions on the video.
Watching it, looks like release safety, pull bars back and relaunch. Obviously there's something else to this...

Cheers



Subtitles are available in the Youtube video I posted above, just press the Subtitles/CC button to activate them. Enjoy


Oh great thanks, they aren't available on mobile and works a treat on desktop
LostDog
LostDog
WA
445 posts
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12 Jan 2015 10:08am
This is a great post - thanks Christian
DJMWA
DJMWA
WA
345 posts
WA, 345 posts
16 Jan 2015 5:36pm
Used this technique today and it worked an absolute treat. Was also quite surprised how well the kite flew with a crossed line.
Thanks Christian, you saved me from having a doozy of a tantrum.
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