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zarb
zarb
NSW
703 posts
NSW, 703 posts
14 Nov 2012 6:59pm
Hi all,
My girlfriend and I want to give kitesurfing a go next year, but of course want to get a trainer first to maximise our lessons.

Where can I order from and what kite do you recommend? It needs to be useful for both an 85kg male and 50kg female. Also if it could be as similar to operating an actual kite as possible, that would be a bonus (lines and bar etc etc).

Looking to spend about $250, and would be useful if I could buy online.
Martyflyer
Martyflyer
NSW
131 posts
NSW, 131 posts
14 Nov 2012 7:12pm
Have a look on the kitepower website,ozone imp (now called ignition) is a great trainer kite as has a safety line
salt
salt
VIC
617 posts
VIC, 617 posts
14 Nov 2012 7:46pm
Get a 3m Pansch Kite and buy Two wrist leashes, Mad fun.(i bought a 5m, WAY too big)
They have handles and are 4 line but its all the same. Its how i learnt anf going from handles to bar takes about 5minutes to get used to.
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
14 Nov 2012 7:32pm
I'd back up the Ozone Imp - 3 line ( 3rd for safety) and has a bar - dont touch anything that uses handles ( you need to learn the bar approach!)

Other good thing about a dedicated kitesurfing 'learning kite' is that it kind of flies like a 'normal' inflatable kite - not some crazed stunt kite.

The other 'branded' training kites I would expect would be just as good - and a 2 to 2.5 m is way big enough - my kids find the 2.5m Imp pretty full on over 10 knots! - and over 15 knots I'd rather fly my own 13.5 m ( has depower which a trainer kite doesnt!)!!

Enjoy! and safe kiting
Tony Armstrong
Tony Armstrong
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
14 Nov 2012 9:06pm
In my opinion purchasing a trainer (kite) with out a proper function of "power on" and "power off" is a semi waste of time. Sure, trainer kites give you that idea of how to fly in the "window" but the true essence of capturing the flying kite skills is to combine left (AM window) and right (PM window) AND COMBINE this with power on and power off. Ozone make a trainer called the UNO and this can be used with an Ozone 25 m bar/line set up.
simonlacey
simonlacey
QLD
17 posts
QLD, 17 posts
14 Nov 2012 9:13pm
Ozone IMPS are great to learn glad I spent some time flying before i got lessons, more time spent on board skills, look at kitepower web site they deliver to most places.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
14 Nov 2012 9:31pm
I bought an Imp 2.5 as a beach muck around kite for when I didn't want to fly the revolution. My wife loves it, she's claimed it as her kite. The bar with wrist leash gives her confidence to drop it, reel back in a go again. It's the first kite I've had that she loves to fly. Very quick to setup and launch too.
Peterdj
Peterdj
VIC
139 posts
VIC, 139 posts
14 Nov 2012 11:43pm
i bought a hydra 350. about $250 i think it was
e0422713
e0422713
WA
975 posts
WA, 975 posts
14 Nov 2012 10:00pm
flexifoil 2.6m i am selling one $150
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
14 Nov 2012 10:15pm
Tony Armstrong said...
In my opinion purchasing a trainer (kite) with out a proper function of "power on" and "power off" is a semi waste of time. Sure, trainer kites give you that idea of how to fly in the "window" but the true essence of capturing the flying kite skills is to combine left (AM window) and right (PM window) AND COMBINE this with power on and power off. Ozone make a trainer called the UNO and this can be used with an Ozone 25 m bar/line set up.


My opinion also, was having this discussion with an owner of a kite school who doesn't use or endorse small foil trainers
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
15 Nov 2012 8:00am
The problem for the average person is that there's a significant price jump to a Uno - you can get a 2nd hand 6m for cheaper!

At least a trainer foil with a bar and drop-the-bar depower (3+ lines) allows learning of wind window, and muscle memory to let go of bar when in trouble.
NSW, 4382 posts
15 Nov 2012 9:01am
Best place to get the best flying trainer kite on the market is here

http://www.kitepower.com.au/ozone-ignition.html

After teaching thousands of people to learn to kitesurf it is really obvious which ones have flown trainer kites, they simply learn faster because they already know how to fly a kite. They actually save money because they need less lessons.
The schools inflatable kites last longer because they are not being used as ground percussion instruments by students who have no idea how to fly a kite.

People need kite skills to get maximum value from a kitesurfing lesson.

Schools and instructors that don't recommend trainer kites either have some sort of illogical bias or are simply out to sell the unsuspecting beginner more lessons.
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
15 Nov 2012 8:56am
IF your not after a water relaunch trainer we find the HQ Rush Pro and Peter Lynn Impulse to be the most popular as they are both 3 line.

If you need to fly your trainer over the water you should look at the HQ Hydra.
The Flysurfer Viron fits the description of what you want the best but not your budget.
greggyd
greggyd
TAS
183 posts
TAS, 183 posts
15 Nov 2012 10:42am
If you go to a safe enough spot i.e. Shallow water, heaps of room down wind don't bother getting one. Spend the money on the lessons instead.
Number
Number
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
15 Nov 2012 12:12pm
I usually lend my 4m Ozone Flow(dunno if they still make them) to friends that want to get in to kiteboarding.


I recon that is a good buy, cause u can actually have a use for it once u past the learning stadium. It also got a little more power and are not as quick as the 1.5m trainer kites.

Since it's reasonable big it can be flown in light winds but still generate enough power to pull over the student if it's not handled with care so it teaches some respect to the power of the kite(which a tiny trainer don't do)

The only thing u don't get with it is how to work the bar in and out. If I'm there to help out I usually hold on to the chicken loop to illustrate that there is no really hold on to the bar.
default
default
WA
1255 posts
WA, 1255 posts
15 Nov 2012 4:41pm
dont get into kitesurfing, complete waste of time
meerkite
meerkite
WA
11 posts
WA, 11 posts
15 Nov 2012 9:53pm
2.5m Ozone Ignition.
Nice trainer kite with leash, very safe.

I believe its worth flying a trainer for at least a few hours before you get lessons.
Try it in strong and light wind also.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
15 Nov 2012 10:21pm
sorry just dont think a trainer kite is worth it, doesnt fly like a waterkite doesnt have the safety systems that a waterkite has, set up is completely different, doesnt power and depower like a waterkite, its like teaching someone to drive an auto then giving them a manual to drive.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
15 Nov 2012 10:33pm
Trainer for her would be about a 10A I think?

For you, go windsurf.



Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
15 Nov 2012 11:03pm
cauncy said...
sorry just dont think a trainer kite is worth it, doesnt fly like a waterkite doesnt have the safety systems that a waterkite has, set up is completely different, doesnt power and depower like a waterkite, its like teaching someone to drive an auto then giving them a manual to drive.


Probably not worth buying one, but definitely worth borrowing one if you can get your hands on one. I'd spent a bit of time on a trainer before my first lesson, another guy with another instructor from the same school was on the beach at the same time as me didn't even get wet on his first lesson, I was out drowning myself body dragging in no time. Even an idiot like me could see the difference.
vwpete
vwpete
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
16 Nov 2012 9:40am
if you want to save yourself money, buy one from a kite hobby shop

http://www.lekite.com.au/nitro.htm

u will need to get a bit of broom handle from bunnings to make a bar and your done.

If money is not an issue then get the ozone uno its great and has depower like a real kite.

either way make sure you really really have top skills with it before you have lessons.

If you just do an hour, i find it can actually make you worse on a real kite than better. Trainer kites fly and turn fast, the 2 line types are real bad as they teach you to be a bar puller.

IMHO
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