Stevo J said...

There seems to be some confusion lately from overseas kiters...

Some clarification:

Let's start by examining the most basic definition of racism—the dictionary meaning. According to the American Heritage College Dictionary, racism has two meanings. Firstly, racism is, “The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.” Secondly, racism is, “Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”

There are a lot of REALLY STUPID GENERALISATIONS from people on this site about travellers from certain countries, but this does not make them racist.

And lastly:

To all visitors from overseas, PLEASE don't think that ALL Australians are unwelcoming from the vibe you get on this site. I think what most of them are trying to say (pretty badly mostly) is just to respect local customs and observe the way the kiters operate at their local, and everything will be cool :)

True that does not make them racist but that makes them xenophobe...
But I agree with you, being a "****ing euro trash" and having lived here for 2 years the bad comments you can read on this forum are fortunately not at all representative of the real vibe you get on the beach.

alexpich said...

True that does not make them racist but that makes them xenophobe.

Have you read the forums lately? Us west aussies cop far more grief from the eastern states blokes than you euros do!

Difference is we are to busy enjoying our better lives, beaches and wind to have a sad. Or maybe and its a big maybe, its all said in light hearted banter.

If people from Europe stopped being the main instigators of sh!t kiting etiquette at crowded Australian spots then maybe we wouldn't have such an issue on this site . Cause and effect people.

On a serious note, I don't think anyone on here really hates "Euros", after all (as pointed out above) most of us are Euros and to be honest unless you're an Aboriginal your definitely some sort of blow-in!

I don't care where someone is from, I give everybody a chance before making a judgement. As should everyone else.

I think racism is instinctual....

I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally

Seriously though, this is cause and effect. It's not right but it's the way the world works. If you find that a small portion of italian/african/euros/muslims/etc spit in your face when they walk past you, eventually you'll turn away whenever one of them walks past you without knowing if they were one of the bad eggs. It's not racism, it's human nature, you react to the circumstances you live in and you adapt. Call it what you what, it won't change and banning it from the forum won't change the way people talk at local kitespots. If Euros (or any other nationality) are misbehaving, or continue to do so, it will continue to be a talking point. People aren't going to sit there saying "hey, that guy did a short tack, but he's a euro so I won't bring it up in case it's racism".

Unfortunately it also doesn't help much ranting about anyone here, no matter who they are. I suggest you get onto some of the overseas forums and warn them that because of the behaviour of a few, it's affecting the perception of kiting tourists as a whole and that localism may become more prevalent (and potentially violent) if tourists fail to follow local guidelines. Put the guidelines up on local websites (WAKSA, AKSA etc) and maybe a couple of them getting a fist full of knuckles may be a suitable outcome where only those guilty parties get it and they can take their experiences back to wherever the never learnt manners and warn their fellow travellers that a lack of manners won't be tolerated.

stereotypes save time

Stop with all this talk of Violence.
Give the sport up it it isn't fun for you
just walk away and kite some where else.
Ive kited all over the world and only have seen this talk here.

Saffer......
Athol..... Would that be dutch?.... South African?

I thnk its funny a Saffer would take a fully local stance in Australia, when you call yourself a saffer?? Hey dude South Africa to Perth used to be called the chicken run (oops) or am I being racist or Xenophobic? Im so confused....

All I know that its funny when you ask a Dutch South African to repeat after me,....... "Can I buy you some ice cream."

So talking about racism, Who out ther is proud of calling themselves Australian after walking around Kuta beach?? Im disgusted by my "Aussie" brothers??

junglist said...

alexpich said...

Stevo J said...

There seems to be some confusion lately from overseas kiters...

Some clarification:

Let's start by examining the most basic definition of racism—the dictionary meaning. According to the American Heritage College Dictionary, racism has two meanings. Firstly, racism is, “The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.” Secondly, racism is, “Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”

There are a lot of REALLY STUPID GENERALISATIONS from people on this site about travellers from certain countries, but this does not make them racist.

And lastly:

To all visitors from overseas, PLEASE don't think that ALL Australians are unwelcoming from the vibe you get on this site. I think what most of them are trying to say (pretty badly mostly) is just to respect local customs and observe the way the kiters operate at their local, and everything will be cool :)

True that does not make them racist but that makes them xenophobe...
But I agree with you, being a "****ing euro trash" and having lived here for 2 years the bad comments you can read on this forum are fortunately not at all representative of the real vibe you get on the beach.

The only reason that its not representative of the vibe on the beach is because the racist's on this site can hide behind their monitors and spew their small town, narrow minded, xenophobic filth without the possibility of any retribution. To put it quite bluntly these 'keyboard heros' would not have the balls in person.

Calling a spade a spade here and the use of language on this site towards European people is disgusting and it is pure and simple racism. Its also somewhat ironic as the majority of people on this site will no doubt be from European descent. But that realisation would entail the rubbing together of a couple of brain cells..... which is unlikely.

Its high time the forum moderators actually did something about this behaviour as it is not acceptable in the wider community and it is not acceptable here.

Junglist for prime minister! At least someone with common sense, a rarity!

THE DONG said...
can we still make fun of the irish?

Wouldnt that be racist? as you believe you are more superior? can handle your drink better? No wait thats a generalisation.

On a serious note. an australian kiter landed a sick mobe infront of me. Wanker!

dave...... said...
Plummet AKA hobbit, that map made my day.

Thanks from racist Dave

hehehe... first off you need to be able make fun of yourself before you have a crack at others. Looking at that map it appears brazil is the place to go. drugs and supermodels...

^^^ Kiwis:)

<- EU wolf (protected species:)

kitelooper1 said...

sir ROWDY said...
If people from Europe stopped being the main instigators of sh!t kiting etiquette at crowded Australian spots then maybe we wouldn't have such an issue on this site . Cause and effect people.

On a serious note, I don't think anyone on here really hates "Euros", after all (as pointed out above) most of us are Euros and to be honest unless you're an Aboriginal your definitely some sort of blow-in!

I don't care where someone is from, I give everybody a chance before making a judgement. As should everyone else.

What, so I consider myself a black fella so I have right of way?

YES...

Obviously not... I was merely pointing out the stupidity of most people labeling others "blow-ins" when they themselves were a blow-in at some point. (figured I would answer on the off chance you weren't trolling).

I know I made it to the right place when the complaints over the immigrants concerns that they integrate to the local activities and take up space there instead of trafficking, organised crime and religious fundamentalists that euro struggles with...


I don't understand how anyone can be insulted by the term "euro" after all that just means that my granddad wasn't a deported criminal that concurred in the genocide on the Australian natives.


But it's kind of strange that the complaints are that loud this year, WA getting so expensive that most seasoners opted for SA this year instead, so I recon that it's fewer euros but that a limited number of them(us? I've lived here for over 2 years now) misbehave and cause the frustration. And I'm kind of surprised that it haven't resolved to violence yet. After all, someone living in a van is pretty vulnerable..