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Ozone Edge V8

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gesper
gesper

NSW

518 posts

12 Jun 2016 8:24pm
Performance wise an exceptional kite but I have a safety concern which I would like to bring to light for all Edge V8 owners to check the integrity of stitching along the closure seam of the Leading edge especially just past the first strut from centre where the reinforced layer of Teijin finishes as the LE could fail . kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089
cauncy
cauncy

WA

8407 posts

12 Jun 2016 6:46pm
There's no doubting the kites pedigree,The edge is a multi world championship kite
Mine won the patch working comp at the local old girls home
It was up against some stiff competition too
Redgy
Redgy

WA

117 posts

12 Jun 2016 6:57pm
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teabaggin said..
Performance wise an exceptional kite but I have a safety concern which I would like to bring to light for all Edge V8 owners to check the integrity of stitching along the closure seam of the Leading edge especially just past the first strut from centre where the reinforced layer of Teijin finishes as the LE could fail . kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089


Thanks will check mine.
kernal
kernal

WA

541 posts

12 Jun 2016 8:49pm
Stop useing psi gauges and problems fixed
Kamikuza
Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

12 Jun 2016 11:27pm
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kookaburrahz said..
Stop useing psi gauges and problems fixed


Over-pumping the kite is the reason the warranties are being declined.
gesper
gesper

NSW

518 posts

13 Jun 2016 12:20am
Over inflation is an excuse that Ozone have used to dismiss this issue . The photos show two 13 metre V8's one serial number apart that have an unusual shape to them and Ozone have used this to say my kite has been overinflated not by me with the pump but they say I have left it on hot sand long enough that it has nearly exploded which is absolute BS .
gesper
gesper

NSW

518 posts

13 Jun 2016 12:52am
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Kamikuza said..

kookaburrahz said..
Stop useing psi gauges and problems fixed



Over-pumping the kite is the reason the warranties are being declined.


So you say that Over-pumping the kite is the reason the warranties are being declined. How do you prove a kite has been overinflated. Ozone tried to do this by using the photos of the LE of my kite and yes it does look overinflated and that's how the kite looked when I first pumped it up. I see another V8 13 metre edge when first pumped up had a similar shaped LE to mine. So are there TWO V8 13 metre edges one serial number apart out there that have sat on hot sand till they have nearly exploded OR is there a serious manufacturing issue with the 13 metre V8 Edge. Ill let you decide.
kemp90
kemp90

QLD

1694 posts

13 Jun 2016 7:41am
I don't really understand how you can over inflat your kites by the pumps we use. Don't we all just pump until w can't pump no more?

If we used a skinny little bike pump I totally understand but not with kite pumps
Gorgo
Gorgo

VIC

5108 posts

13 Jun 2016 7:57am
Over pumping is BS. I pump my kites as hard as I can get them short of leaning on the pump handle. My current quiver is 6-7 years old. I want to buy new kites but the old ones just won't die.

The hot sand argument makes more sense. I never leave my kites sitting on the beach. I am either kiting, or going home.
dusta
dusta

WA

2940 posts

13 Jun 2016 8:39am




never had an issue with any of my edges .
gesper
gesper

NSW

518 posts

13 Jun 2016 10:45am
^^^^ Do you have a 13 metre V8 ?
cauncy
cauncy

WA

8407 posts

13 Jun 2016 9:30am
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dusta said...




never had an issue with any of my edges .


And that's the weird thing
Everyone I know here with them has ,had and are having issues
If the wasn't any issues we wouldn't hear anything
Great kite but need beefing up a bit in critical areas imho
Dolphins
Dolphins

60 posts

13 Jun 2016 10:44am
I wont be buying another Ozone the leading edges and strut material only last one seoson. The resale value is almost nothing not to mention the repair bills.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

13 Jun 2016 1:25pm
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teabaggin said..
Over inflation is an excuse that Ozone have used to dismiss this issue . The photos show two 13 metre V8's one serial number apart that have an unusual shape to them and Ozone have used this to say my kite has been overinflated not by me with the pump but they say I have left it on hot sand long enough that it has nearly exploded which is absolute BS .


That's what I was saying, to support you. Pictures of ****ed-up leading edges that are "obviously" user error is BS, especially when it's not a one-off.

Looks like the change in manufacturing methods has produced a lemon, prone to self-destruction, and Ozone is opting out of what will be very wide-spread and costly support by blaming the user. So nothing new there.
dafish
dafish

NSW

1654 posts

13 Jun 2016 2:16pm
Gerry has always looked after his gear. He is a fantastic rider who has a die hard allegiance to this kite. There MUST be an issue if he has even brought this up. Stand up guy, nothing to gain from wanting to get some backing on a product. An issue is an issue, and when I see those photos something looks wrong. I hope this gets sorted because this dude would never complain unless it was clearly an item worth warranty.
cauncy
cauncy

WA

8407 posts

13 Jun 2016 1:55pm
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Dolphins said...
I wont be buying another Ozone the leading edges and strut material only last one seoson. The resale value is almost nothing not to mention the repair bills.


I'd buy another edge in a flash, but only when I can see some reinforcements, in their defence
The is a line to how too much reinforcement will affect the kites performance
If you look at an old rebel or Vegas from north compared to their latest models you'll see they've been heavily stripped down, but still take a pounding and now have a better low end. The edge is now marketed towards freeride not race which naturally required minimal weight,
As with any kite you'll lose a heap of money and find resale difficult, I've seen mates pick up vertually new kites for buttons, however I agree it gets very frustrating when your kites in the repair shop when you should be on the water
Redgy
Redgy

WA

117 posts

13 Jun 2016 2:00pm



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teabaggin said..
Performance wise an exceptional kite but I have a safety concern which I would like to bring to light for all Edge V8 owners to check the integrity of stitching along the closure seam of the Leading edge especially just past the first strut from centre where the reinforced layer of Teijin finishes as the LE could fail . kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089



Just checked my v8 11m, not as bad as yours yet but looks like it;s going in the same spot. My 11m has been used about 10 times. Checked my v7 13m which is my main kite and has had heaps of use and it;s as good as gold no problem no sign of stitching coming apart anywhere. So the problem is not just the 13m v8s as it;s happening to my 11m v8 as well. Have always been happy with ozone quality before but i think there is a problem here.
ColoColo
ColoColo

QLD

130 posts

13 Jun 2016 4:19pm
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Redgy said..




teabaggin said..
Performance wise an exceptional kite but I have a safety concern which I would like to bring to light for all Edge V8 owners to check the integrity of stitching along the closure seam of the Leading edge especially just past the first strut from centre where the reinforced layer of Teijin finishes as the LE could fail . kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089




Just checked my v8 11m, not as bad as yours yet but looks like it;s going in the same spot. My 11m has been used about 10 times. Checked my v7 13m which is my main kite and has had heaps of use and it;s as good as gold no problem no sign of stitching coming apart anywhere. So the problem is not just the 13m v8s as it;s happening to my 11m v8 as well. Have always been happy with ozone quality before but i think there is a problem here.


Aside from (I hope) will be a positive reply from an Ozone rep in here soon, if you don't get any joy, why not take the kite to a repairer and have them re-inforce the area with another section of - what-ever-the-material-is that makes those LE bladders? Problem solved. At the end of the day, you just want the kite to hold its shape and not pop! Obviously post the bill to your local Ozone rep!
Plummet
Plummet

4862 posts

13 Jun 2016 2:31pm
Looks like they changed the seam process. My 2013 edges look solid in the LE seam area. Ozone always toted the Edge as a light weight race kite. Now that mantle has been passed to the R1. The edge is now epic boosting freeride kite. I recon Ozone should beef it up to reflect the change in market focus for this kite.....

Greenarrowz
Greenarrowz

NSW

301 posts

13 Jun 2016 5:34pm
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Redgy said...



teabaggin said..
Performance wise an exceptional kite but I have a safety concern which I would like to bring to light for all Edge V8 owners to check the integrity of stitching along the closure seam of the Leading edge especially just past the first strut from centre where the reinforced layer of Teijin finishes as the LE could fail . kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089



Just checked my v8 11m, not as bad as yours yet but looks like it;s going in the same spot. My 11m has been used about 10 times. Checked my v7 13m which is my main kite and has had heaps of use and it;s as good as gold no problem no sign of stitching coming apart anywhere. So the problem is not just the 13m v8s as it;s happening to my 11m v8 as well. Have always been happy with ozone quality before but i think there is a problem here.


Do you have any pics of stitching on your 11m Redgy?
Im currently monitoring the stitching on my 005 serial# 13m edge v8 and any pics would help for reference.. :)
Oh also if you don't mind me asking by the way whats your serial number?... is it anywhere near ours?

Redgy
Redgy

WA

117 posts

13 Jun 2016 4:15pm
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Greenarrowz said..

Redgy said...




teabaggin said..
Performance wise an exceptional kite but I have a safety concern which I would like to bring to light for all Edge V8 owners to check the integrity of stitching along the closure seam of the Leading edge especially just past the first strut from centre where the reinforced layer of Teijin finishes as the LE could fail . kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089




Just checked my v8 11m, not as bad as yours yet but looks like it;s going in the same spot. My 11m has been used about 10 times. Checked my v7 13m which is my main kite and has had heaps of use and it;s as good as gold no problem no sign of stitching coming apart anywhere. So the problem is not just the 13m v8s as it;s happening to my 11m v8 as well. Have always been happy with ozone quality before but i think there is a problem here.



Do you have any pics of stitching on your 11m Redgy?
Im currently monitoring the stitching on my 005 serial# 13m edge v8 and any pics would help for reference.. :)
Oh also if you don't mind me asking by the way whats your serial number?... is it anywhere near ours?




Having problems uploading pics atm but serial #Q.32B.111
James
James

WA

549 posts

13 Jun 2016 8:32pm
With one of those grommet kits from Bunnings you could convert your V8's into the coolest trailer tarps and stop them from becoming landfill . J
ColoColo
ColoColo

QLD

130 posts

14 Jun 2016 1:56pm
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James said..
With one of those grommet kits from Bunnings you could convert your V8's into the coolest trailer tarps and stop them from becoming landfill . J


- red thumb
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave

QLD

6525 posts

14 Jun 2016 5:17pm
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Dolphins said..
I wont be buying another Ozone the leading edges and strut material only last one seoson. The resale value is almost nothing not to mention the repair bills.


And yet my 2008 edge 11m is still going strong, been dragged all over the world, bashed around, never looked after, never had a single issue. Bulletproof.

Sad to hear they seem to have gone backwards since then
James
James

WA

549 posts

14 Jun 2016 3:21pm
^^^^ I'm guessing , Fernando !!!

Edit, sorry Kiteboy, you got in before me . I was targeting the post above you
0llie
0llie

NSW

176 posts

14 Jun 2016 6:48pm
Looking at the photos I'd say there is an issue due to the fact it's only on one side that the stitching has gone. The place where it occurred on the le would have an identical stitch on the other side which has clearly held up well even if it has been pumped up hard.
And yes that's a rock bottom approach to be saying its due to over pumping. Shame on you ozone (even though I'm a die hard ozone fan)
gesper
gesper

NSW

518 posts

20 Jul 2016 6:40pm
Two weeks ago General Manager of Ozone Iain Hannay posted on Kiteforum and said this Hi Matti, we have made 16 different construction tests in the factory and are just getting the results now, shortly we will have them for you. It has not been a quick process but I can assure you that our factory has done its best to do them as quickly as possible. As promised I will post the results here. It has been interesting.

Cheers Iain

Well heres the results of the test its taken 2 months to release kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089&start=60
All 5 Test samples have the reinforced layer of material so Iain you have shown results of a test where the stitching hasn't failed on my kite . Ill ask again Iain Hannay please show the samples of the tests on the stitching of the closure seam just outside of where the layer of reinforcing finishes .
Kozzie
Kozzie

QLD

1451 posts

20 Jul 2016 7:20pm
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teabaggin said..
Two weeks ago General Manager of Ozone Iain Hannay posted on Kiteforum and said this Hi Matti, we have made 16 different construction tests in the factory and are just getting the results now, shortly we will have them for you. It has not been a quick process but I can assure you that our factory has done its best to do them as quickly as possible. As promised I will post the results here. It has been interesting.

Cheers Iain

Well heres the results of the test its taken 2 months to release kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089&start=60
All 5 Test samples have the reinforced layer of material so Iain you have shown results of a test where the stitching hasn't failed on my kite . Ill ask again Iain Hannay please show the samples of the tests on the stitching of the closure seam just outside of where the layer of reinforcing finishes .


stop using psi gauges and auto pumps.

dont know why you cant just figure out
1. what the damage is
2. how it occurred
3. how to prevent for next time.

not exactly a cause for csi

ozone has some pretty outstanding customer service i cant believe they went out and did those tests for you when it was obvious you had just over pumped your kite.
cauncy
cauncy

WA

8407 posts

20 Jul 2016 7:49pm
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Kozzie said..

teabaggin said..
Two weeks ago General Manager of Ozone Iain Hannay posted on Kiteforum and said this Hi Matti, we have made 16 different construction tests in the factory and are just getting the results now, shortly we will have them for you. It has not been a quick process but I can assure you that our factory has done its best to do them as quickly as possible. As promised I will post the results here. It has been interesting.

Cheers Iain

Well heres the results of the test its taken 2 months to release kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089&start=60
All 5 Test samples have the reinforced layer of material so Iain you have shown results of a test where the stitching hasn't failed on my kite . Ill ask again Iain Hannay please show the samples of the tests on the stitching of the closure seam just outside of where the layer of reinforcing finishes .



stop using psi gauges and auto pumps.

dont know why you cant just figure out
1. what the damage is
2. how it occurred
3. how to prevent for next time.

not exactly a cause for csi

ozone has some pretty outstanding customer service i cant believe they went out and did those tests for you when it was obvious you had just over pumped your kite.


never used a gauge , auto pumps are for trans genders
1 what damage is , splits to leading edge
2 how it occured , flying kite
3how to prevent for next time, buy another kite

id question the outstanding bit kozzie, had multiple disscussions but never a resolution since 2012, still bought the kite though and accept the downside of le splits but loved the great riding exsperience,
Kamikuza
Kamikuza

QLD

6493 posts

21 Jul 2016 12:40am
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cauncy said..

Kozzie said..


teabaggin said..
Two weeks ago General Manager of Ozone Iain Hannay posted on Kiteforum and said this Hi Matti, we have made 16 different construction tests in the factory and are just getting the results now, shortly we will have them for you. It has not been a quick process but I can assure you that our factory has done its best to do them as quickly as possible. As promised I will post the results here. It has been interesting.

Cheers Iain

Well heres the results of the test its taken 2 months to release kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392089&start=60
All 5 Test samples have the reinforced layer of material so Iain you have shown results of a test where the stitching hasn't failed on my kite . Ill ask again Iain Hannay please show the samples of the tests on the stitching of the closure seam just outside of where the layer of reinforcing finishes .




stop using psi gauges and auto pumps.

dont know why you cant just figure out
1. what the damage is
2. how it occurred
3. how to prevent for next time.

not exactly a cause for csi

ozone has some pretty outstanding customer service i cant believe they went out and did those tests for you when it was obvious you had just over pumped your kite.



never used a gauge , auto pumps are for trans genders
1 what damage is , splits to leading edge
2 how it occured , flying kite
3how to prevent for next time, buy another kite

id question the outstanding bit kozzie, had multiple disscussions but never a resolution since 2012, still bought the kite though and accept the downside of le splits but loved the great riding exsperience,


According to the other part of the "test", the LE didn't deform until 10 or 11psi, by which time it was almost impossible to continue pumping by hand. So either the guys with balloon LEs are superhuman pumpers or there's an issue with the kite.

Considering Ozone claims these guys with problems represent 0.1% of their customers, it's pretty piss-poor they can't look after them.
ste
ste

ste

WA

524 posts

21 Jul 2016 8:33am
Hand pump mine, never had a problem. Sick kite!
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