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Mega Downwinder - Perth

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puppetonastring
puppetonastring

WA

3619 posts

10 Apr 2012 5:23pm
Planning underway for a mega down-winder.
Looking at possibilities from far south of Mandurah (eg Preston Beach or further south) to Shoalwater.
Will have to be short notice - any weekend day that will work from end of April onwards.
Looking for support boats &/or a pilot for my Jet Kayak (kitestockers will know what I mean) as well as one or two cars to follow for pick up of any drop-outs.
Anything possible at this stage -
- ? bus from Shoalwater to drop-off or car shuffle
- ? food at start &/or food at the end
etc etc.
So much depends on numbers that I would like to get an indication of who would be likely to be a starter if it gets a green light some weekend in May.
No point going to all the effort if we cant get decent numbers.
It will also be a qualifying event for anyone applying for the kite leg of the Megatriathalon from Cape York to PNG. As this is a charity event I would like to see participants joining in a fund raising effort as well. Not compulsory though.
Ring or text me if ur keen - 0430 966 397.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring

WA

3619 posts

10 Apr 2012 5:25pm
Would appreciate input from anyone with intimate knowledge of the coast either side of Preston Beach.
toolman
toolman

WA

21 posts

10 Apr 2012 6:17pm
Put me down for ya jet kayak. That was good fun after we got it working again up in Dongara
TRZX
TRZX

4 posts

10 Apr 2012 6:58pm
Is it ok if just me and you do it?
tightlines
tightlines

WA

3504 posts

10 Apr 2012 7:22pm
As you are no doubt aware you will be lucky to get consistent wind at that time of the year but with the conditions we had for summer anything is possible so good luck.
pedleym
pedleym

WA

168 posts

10 Apr 2012 8:31pm
hey puppet
i often do downwinders from madora bay to shoalwater
it is quite weird because any further south the wind starts to drop out
also around long point the you have to stay a fair way out as wind also drops out near the jetty
but all in all it is a fun down winder
D3
D3

D3

WA

1516 posts

10 Apr 2012 8:55pm
Hey Puppet, I'm KEEN (like mustard)

Roster has me free for the weekend of 12 - 13 (could do Friday or Monday too)

Can't help out with transport as such, but willing to help with other organising if you get the numbers
rickwindt
rickwindt

WA

245 posts

10 Apr 2012 9:53pm
Never really done a downwinder but there is a first time to everything. However you reckon for a first timer, would I be better of in doing it in summer with a consistent SW?

Can't really arrange any transport but would be happy to help out with any other arrangements that would have to be done, even if I might not participate in the actual event because of a lack of experience I'd still like to help out.

Keep me posted mate!
blueprint
blueprint

WA

321 posts

10 Apr 2012 10:31pm
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pedleym said...

hey puppet
i often do downwinders from madora bay to shoalwater
it is quite weird because any further south the wind starts to drop out
also around long point the you have to stay a fair way out as wind also drops out near the jetty
but all in all it is a fun down winder



Yes that's a shadow from Avalon point area, you really notice it in a small boat (under 4.5m) heading out to James service about 2-3ks short of James Service reef there is a clear line when the wind is from the south where the ocean gets noticeably rougher as the wind chop really kicks in, if you are able to stay deep i.e. you have plenty of boat support this may not be a big issue (DOW of course).
puppetonastring
puppetonastring

WA

3619 posts

10 Apr 2012 10:48pm
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tightlines said...

As you are no doubt aware you will be lucky to get consistent wind at that time of the year but with the conditions we had for summer anything is possible so good luck.


Spot on TL - any other year Id be saying 'waste of time' but this year Im with you - anything is possible so why not try for anything. Wont be at all surprised if it doesnt come off but reckon you gotta keep options open.

Thanks for feedback so far. And pls keep it coming. I will get back to you all via PM's for more info.

Mystery for the weather nerds - why is it wind drops out between Mandurah & Bunbury. Seems its an all time rule ??? Weird. Is there a reason.
tgladman
tgladman

WA

500 posts

10 Apr 2012 10:51pm
Count me in, but somehow don't think my 10 will b big enuf? Don't like our chances of decent wind???
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

10 Apr 2012 11:21pm
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puppetonastring said...

tightlines said...

As you are no doubt aware you will be lucky to get consistent wind at that time of the year but with the conditions we had for summer anything is possible so good luck.


Spot on TL - any other year Id be saying 'waste of time' but this year Im with you - anything is possible so why not try for anything. Wont be at all surprised if it doesnt come off but reckon you gotta keep options open.

Thanks for feedback so far. And pls keep it coming. I will get back to you all via PM's for more info.

Mystery for the weather nerds - why is it wind drops out between Mandurah & Bunbury. Seems its an all time rule ??? Weird. Is there a reason.








As a mandurahite i have watched the wind closely, by the hour (yes I'm obsessed) for 8 or so years now. You will see the seabreeze kick in like perth/rocko for an hour or so, then bang she drops again, to finally kick in albeit less an hour or so later. Although more than is liked it stays the same 5 knot less wind.

My theory: The land heats up, hot air rises, seabreeze fills in (no sh1t you say). Then due to the presence of what is a pretty large body of water (the estuary - I live in falcon and there is what would be less than 4 km strip of land between the estuary and the ocean), the air is relatively cooler. The in filling sea-breeze hits this cooler air hence the initial drop in wind. Sometimes the wind is strong enough to overcome this, and the land heat differential across the estuary links up and all is well.

But as I said too often the wind is not only less, but much much more gustier - very noticeable above 20 knots - just look at the charts next time, well next season when we get a seabreeze, have a look at the grey gust bars. All over the place.

hence my choice of kite (you all know too well what that is). You need smoothness in a kite down here, and enough raw power to get through the lulls.

My bro and I use 11m kites (well his is an 11.5m kahoons V2), and we would use this kite 85% of the time. Anything smaller just sits in our shed until winter.

Hence why I'm looking for a bigger kite, that still will turn quick enough.

I'm in for the downwinder by the way, but puppet unless we get some freak weather this will have to wait until next season. last few days have been perfect temp, but no wind man. The high's have already moved to north - or is the otherway round, can't remember.

puppetonastring
puppetonastring

WA

3619 posts

11 Apr 2012 12:57pm
Nice take on it Eppo - sounds logical enough to be accurate. Huge open beach like that should get clean wind?
If this mega-down-winder gets up its not going to be a seabreeze so frontal cross-on or onshore could just make this beach ideal. Looking on google it looks like accessable beach from Bunbury right thru to Tims Thicket. If we are going to be tackling it on fickle frontal weather this may just be the perfect location. Enter & exit anywhere, temporarily or end it, if it gusts up or drops off. Could possibly spend a whole day there giving it our best shot. Esp if we can get at least one vehicle legally covering the whole beach front. Thinking it could just be an awesome day out, win or lose, for all takers giving it a punt.
cmon - not too many expressions of interested yet?

Comments pls........
bakesy
bakesy

WA

682 posts

11 Apr 2012 5:36pm
bit of a tip for vehicle access(beach) puppet, Whitehills through to Tim's exit can be problematic at the moment, Whitehills south to Preston is fine atm but to get through to Tims is a tide and sand issue at the moment, one particular spot were you need to get around a rocky outcrop can only be done at low tide and swell needs to be minimal (1.5m). Of course Tims to Melros is closed with beach access at Melros only for launching boats. Then the stretch up to the Cut is off limits until Pyramids from there on a coastal road is on offer. Good luck sounds like fun.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

11 Apr 2012 9:39pm
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bakesy said...

bit of a tip for vehicle access(beach) puppet, Whitehills through to Tim's exit can be problematic at the moment, Whitehills south to Preston is fine atm but to get through to Tims is a tide and sand issue at the moment, one particular spot were you need to get around a rocky outcrop can only be done at low tide and swell needs to be minimal (1.5m). Of course Tims to Melros is closed with beach access at Melros only for launching boats. Then the stretch up to the Cut is off limits until Pyramids from there on a coastal road is on offer. Good luck sounds like fun.






Bakesey hitting the kitesurfing forum hey. Lol. To add to bakes correct info, the stretch from say Preston to say Tim's has little waves, just choppy unimaginative surf. Better to start just north of Mandurah, say Madora bay and head north. Not much to be had on that stretch of coastline. Also bakes is right there is a big stretch from white hills to pyramids that has no vehicle access.
eppo
eppo

WA

9762 posts

11 Apr 2012 9:41pm
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puppetonastring said...

Nice take on it Eppo - sounds logical enough to be accurate. Huge open beach like that should get clean wind?







On a westerly front as per normal but the estuary must impact on the consistency of the sea breeze wind. Above 25 knots can be a real handful. The gust range is probably twice as bad as further north. Just have a look at the graphs they tell the story.

Comments pls........


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