Heading to Lanno and wanna do the righty but can't find a thread on do's/don'ts anywhere.

I'll keep an eye out for signage but wassa scoop for rigging/landing

Any hazards in the bay to keep an eye out for?

Can't believe I have never kited there before!

Yewww!! Look at those graphs!

Go ask the local windsurfing instructor, Hes really friendly. Best to kitesurf at backbeach, away from the flags of course, or set up at the headland at Eddy island, the south Island. You can also go to the North Island, Drive past the Bottle shop to the north and theres a road in there. Wedge is also another option, another Half an hour up the road, but youll need to drive down the beach a bit (North) to see the waves. Stuff up in the bay and youll be playing chicken with Werner.

WAKSA are in the process of putting a guide together for Lano (don't tell Waveslave), but yeah as per Dave's post, no kites/lines at all in the park near sea rescue/windsurfing school and please stay clear of the water in front as well.

Main Break and South Passage are pretty crowded with kites and poleys, biggest grumble I hear from out there are some kiters doing a short run and dropping in on a wave a poley has been lining up for for the last 200 metres from out the back.

Apart from that the top end of the back beach near Eddie Island, or north point near Lancelin Island are the best spots to rig up. Too far down on the back beach and you will end up mixed in with surfers and swimmers. Lots of rotting seaweed about at the moment and the low tides are making it pretty shallow over the reef.

Even better would be to get the missus to drop you off at Ledge and do a downwinder from there through to main break.
Some nice little reefs along the way
Or even better do a downwinder from Lano through to Wedge.

Still looking to do the L2W on the 10th of December with a crew. Wind & waves permitting.

Who's keen???

Cheers Fellas.

Will attempt to sweet talk missus rello.

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Weta said...

Still looking to do the L2W on the 10th of December with a crew. Wind & waves permitting.

Who's keen???

Keen

Cool Graceful think that makes about 4 of us so far but that's not counting the crew that replied to the original post.

I will put up a L2W post next week to get an idea of numbers & organise where we'll meet etc. As previously noted we'll keep it simple just a cruisy DW with a good crew.

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Chris6791 said...

WAKSA are in the process of putting a guide together for Lano (don't tell Waveslave), but yeah as per Dave's post, no kites/lines at all in the park near sea rescue/windsurfing school and please stay clear of the water in front as well.

Main Break and South Passage are pretty crowded with kites and poleys, biggest grumble I hear from out there are some kiters doing a short run and dropping in on a wave a poley has been lining up for for the last 200 metres from out the back.

Apart from that the top end of the back beach near Eddie Island, or north point near Lancelin Island are the best spots to rig up. Too far down on the back beach and you will end up mixed in with surfers and swimmers. Lots of rotting seaweed about at the moment and the low tides are making it pretty shallow over the reef.
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Well I was out there today and most poleys did not give way tacking into a wave. My be and I git severely pissedd off. We dont need to tack all the,way to south Africa and even when we gave them heaps if room then they would stall their rig and before you no it they are hitting the same wave. I was cut off numerous times and in the end we played chicken until they gave the right if way. Its always about the kites doing the wrong thing well today opened my eyes

Eppo sounds alot like your session at Scarbs last year..........this **** has been going on forever. Try kiting at Dutchies.

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Chris6791 said...

Main Break and South Passage are pretty crowded with kites and poleys, biggest grumble I hear from out there are some kiters doing a short run and dropping in on a wave a poley has been lining up for for the last 200 metres from out the back.

Well I was out there today and most poleys did not give way tacking into a wave. My be and I git severely pissedd off. We dont need to tack all the,way to south Africa and even when we gave them heaps if room then they would stall their rig and before you no it they are hitting the same wave. I was cut off numerous times and in the end we played chicken until they gave the right if way. Its always about the kites doing the wrong thing well today opened my eyes

Eppo, when you are at a wave location like Lano, everyone has to tack all the way to South Africa. It's called a line up and is designed to let everyone get a wave. It's simple. Head out the back downwind of the break as not to interrupt others trying to ride the wave. Once you are the furtherest out its time to turn around and join the line up. Pick a swell or wave and ride it in until you are clear of the break then head back out.
There is no need to zig zag back and forth in the break as you are getting in the way especially at a place like Main Break Lano where there are plenty of windsurfers mixing with kiteboarders.
Just my thoughts

Well aware of this and did follow this monotonous procession with respect. But time and time again they would cut across my line and not follow there own prehistoric rules. Then they would stall their inefficient rigs and I would find myself in no mans land with some dick stuffing round in front and some dude behind me. No farq it man we get smashed all the time about poor kiters doing the wrong thing well im here to tell ya it was the poles being asholes out there. Thats not a thought that was fact. Was one poley out there who was an awesome sailor and he was doing the right thing. The rest, learn to sail before you clog up a busy break.

Eppo just remember starboard tack has right of way..............so when the wind is over your right shoulder and your kite us downwind you have right of way until the giving way to kiters/poleys & anyone else launching off the beach rule comes into effect.

Try calling out starboard to a poley when they are trying to push you upwind & you have the right of way..................

Eppo, I dont think they are stalling their inefficent rigs by accident. Happens a lot in places where the line up works.

If your behind and they fall off their swell beacuse the next one looks better, you either have to drop off yours or keep going and share the wave, you could hope they do the right thing and turn around and get back in the line on the way out. (doubtful)

I find the best option is to give up the wave and start going slow until another slot opens up and take that one. Unless of course I happen to have jagged a set wave and then Ill fight for it.

Good advice Corey i think what we kiters have to keep in mind is we are more manouverable which is sometimes hard to do when you're on the water enjoying the stoke.

Here is a summary guide for WA kitespots. I have added some detail for Lancelin. kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/kitesurfing-locations/australia/western-australia

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eppo said...

Then they would stall their inefficient rigs

Most poleys would be on 5 or so square metres, while most kiters would be on 7-9 square metres of sailcloth...
So which is more efficient?

Bear in mind that poleys CAN go upwind a lot harder than they actually do at south passage, they go all the way out so as to give everyone else a chance.

Must admit to getting frustrated with kiters dropping in on me (by not following the rules) on that particular break a number of times in the past Most kiters who have kited there a couple of times understand what's going on though. It's the ones who haven't shared a proper break with poleys before that tend to be the problem.

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Well aware of this and did follow this monotonous procession with respect. But time and time again they would cut across my line and not follow there own prehistoric rules. Then they would stall their inefficient rigs and I would find myself in no mans land with some dick stuffing round in front and some dude behind me. No farq it man we get smashed all the time about poor kiters doing the wrong thing well im here to tell ya it was the poles being asholes out there. Thats not a thought that was fact. Was one poley out there who was an awesome sailor and he was doing the right thing. The rest, learn to sail before you clog up a busy break.

Lancelin attracts a lot of novice wave sailors, especially Main break and there have always been gumbies out there not having a clue. If you're going out on a small day that's just something you have to put up with, especially with all the Euros out there. Personally I don't know why you don't kite at Eddies, 10x better than main break (if it's kiteable?). I'm not sure what the rules are regarding 'stalling your rig' and waiting for a wave, but for me, if I see a decent wave building out the back, I'll stall and wait for it, but only if no-one behind me hasn't picked it up. If someone is flying along behind you looking to pick up the wave and you're wallowing around waiting for the wave, then IMH the other guy has right of way. It's pretty simple, just go round in a circle, plenty of waves for everyone, if someone f**ks up have a friendly word to them, they probably just don't know what the 'rules' are. And I don't think whatever rules exist are prehistoric, it's just about using commonsense and showing respect for other guys out there. There have been plenty of occasions when I've pulled off waves (despite having right of way) because the other person has been in a better position to ride it.

Some fair comments Zed.

What's the poley take on this common situation? I'm doing the circuit and pick up a set wave. Poley in front drops off the back off one, maybe even two swells and I find he's on the same one as me when it's starting to wall up. I'm up wind and closer to the peak. Is it my wave? I reckon it is - I waited my turn and stayed with a swell in from out the back to the peak.

How does that look to a windsurfer?

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Hunter S said...

Some fair comments Zed.

What's the poley take on this common situation? I'm doing the circuit and pick up a set wave. Poley in front drops off the back off one, maybe even two swells and I find he's on the same one as me when it's starting to wall up. I'm up wind and closer to the peak. Is it my wave? I reckon it is - I waited my turn and stayed with a swell in from out the back to the peak.

How does that look to a windsurfer?

Yeah you definitely have right of way. Sure drop off a wave, stall and wait for the bigger, better one, but only if no-one else is behind you. Because they then they have to stall. It's frustrating when you can see a wave and you have to give it up to someone else, but that's the way it goes. It's about being unselfish and respectful and generally 90% of people do the right thing.

I think what eppo may of been noticing is also the different line kiters and windsurfers often take coming in. Often a windsurfer will be heading up wind more coming in, mainly because they can't head up wind as fast going out. So what may appear to be the fact that he is dropping off the back of a swell to get the one behind, was always the windsurfers intention. Windsurfers are sort of in synch with this between themselves and this may be happenning all the way out through the line up. Especially when its onshore like it was on saturday and a bit lumpy. Where as to a kiter's eyes, where they have cut up wind quicker, and don't have to go through this proces, it looks like the windsurfer has dropped off the back to get your one. You will be able to tell the difference, if they are in no mans land where it looks like they are almost on the back of the swell and fully lit planning coming in and heading up wind fast, it is to get the wave behind and they are just working themselves closer to the peak. If they are on a definate swell and looking frantically behind them, and then completly stall to get the wave behind it, then that is dropping off the back to get yours.

Also the other clash of intrests are in the marginal 15-20 knot winds. Windsurfers will then quite often be not planing (sometimes intentionally as they don't want the weight and inconvience of a bigger rig). So they will be tacking up wind slowly and then hovering around the take off. At this stage, kiters can be fully fanging it and then getting what they like so they beat the windsurfer in every priority rule, closer to the peak and first on the swell. So in theory, the kiter should have every wave. But thats not very nice for the sailor who has been hovering for a while trying to get one. Especially if the kiters have had lots inbetween. If the windsurfers don't then get any, no doubt they will just then rig bigger and everyone loses.

Also, I wouldn't really say that the windsurfer sail is inefficient. It delivers more power for a much more compact area and takes up less space on the water. But that is besides the point.

Its tough as two different water craft trying to share the same spot. The best thing is to just not worry, share the stoke, not get too serious, and just take it for what it is fun. Unless it gets big, then try to bag the set waves.

If a windsurfer is powered up and stalls deliberatly and drops off the back and gets your wave, then thats out of order and if I was you, just take it anyway. When it gets more questionable is when the windsurfer is not powered up, and is waiting. Then its up to you, take it if you want, or let the windsurfer take it and gain some karma. Windsurfers are miles less maneoverable, and its far easier for kiters to pick and choose waves within a set. So really what the windsurfers are banking on is the kiters being nice and let them take some, especially when it is marginal wind. If they don't get some, then they will probably just rig a bigger sail and blast back out to sea fully lit and grab everything they can as well. Then everyone loses.

By the way, stalling off the back of the wave to get other waves happens to windsurfers all the time as well. My take, and i reckon a few few others take on it are, let it go, let them have it, unless they doing it all the time deliberatly. especially let them take it if there is an unused one behind anyway. Unless its one of your better waves of the day then you take it.Or if it is going to mean that the other sailor is too committed, and going to either risk getting smashed hopping off the back of the wave, or forced to ride it but not claiming it, then that is no good either. So I would let them take that as well and hope they do the same for me.

Its all about wave karma, what goes around, comes around.

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Hunter S said...

Some fair comments Zed.

What's the poley take on this common situation? I'm doing the circuit and pick up a set wave. Poley in front drops off the back off one, maybe even two swells and I find he's on the same one as me when it's starting to wall up. I'm up wind and closer to the peak. Is it my wave? I reckon it is - I waited my turn and stayed with a swell in from out the back to the peak.

How does that look to a windsurfer?

That makes a lot of sense from what I experienced sat. Ta for that now I have a better understanding. The stalling and right if way was also good info. You have right of way but dont big the waves. A lot if kite bashing out there just making the point that poleys arent bloody perfect. I do have one question for poleys though.

WhY??

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eppo said...

I do have one question for poleys though.

WhY??

Alot of windsurfers kite as well. It is just all about a different type of feeling. Like comparing oranges and apples. Sometime you don't want to be on the most lit up machine you can get your hands on, if you prefer the simplicity and control of another. It is a completly different feeling and my advice is do both. It is something about the simplicity of a windsurf rig, and the years and years it takes to... I wouldn't say master, but get used to it. It is very rewarding and appealing. The power is connected to the board and you try to control it. It doesn't run through you like how a kiter is connected between board and kite. A bit like surfing, from the outside, you would think why, but ask any surfer why and they will know themselves why they do.Its the same situation. Its all about the feeling and stoke from it that is hard to explain. Try both, do both. and then you will know why. Or you may just prove to yourself, glad I don't !

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eppo said...


WhY??

Because we can!

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If a windsurfer is powered up and stalls deliberatly and drops off the back and gets your wave, then thats out of order and if I was you, just take it anyway. When it gets more questionable is when the windsurfer is not powered up, and is waiting. Then its up to you, take it if you want, or let the windsurfer take it and gain some karma. Windsurfers are miles less maneoverable, and its far easier for kiters to pick and choose waves within a set. So really what the windsurfers are banking on is the kiters being nice and let them take some, especially when it is marginal wind. If they don't get some, then they will probably just rig a bigger sail and blast back out to sea fully lit and grab everything they can as well. Then everyone loses.

By the way, stalling off the back of the wave to get other waves happens to windsurfers all the time as well. My take, and i reckon a few few others take on it are, let it go, let them have it, unless they doing it all the time deliberatly. especially let them take it if there is an unused one behind anyway. Unless its one of your better waves of the day then you take it.Or if it is going to mean that the other sailor is too committed, and going to either risk getting smashed hopping off the back of the wave, or forced to ride it but not claiming it, then that is no good either. So I would let them take that as well and hope they do the same for me.

Its all about wave karma, what goes around, comes around.

Hunter S said...

Some fair comments Zed.

What's the poley take on this common situation? I'm doing the circuit and pick up a set wave. Poley in front drops off the back off one, maybe even two swells and I find he's on the same one as me when it's starting to wall up. I'm up wind and closer to the peak. Is it my wave? I reckon it is - I waited my turn and stayed with a swell in from out the back to the peak.

How does that look to a windsurfer?

Clear description of a couple of situations NR; but they also really clarify how complex it can be. It's not always black and white. I've certainly given up waves to poleys - sometimes because they deserve them, others are more an act of charity.

As for wave Karma - I've been a beneficiary of poley's losing waves.

but I'm not sure the karmic circle sorts out the pigs from either side

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eppo said...

I do have one question for poleys though.

WhY??

Alot of windsurfers kite as well. It is just all about a different type of feeling. Like comparing oranges and apples. Sometime you don't want to be on the most lit up machine you can get your hands on, if you prefer the simplicity and control of another. It is a completly different feeling and my advice is do both. It is something about the simplicity of a windsurf rig, and the years and years it takes to... I wouldn't say master, but get used to it. It is very rewarding and appealing. The power is connected to the board and you try to control it. It doesn't run through you like how a kiter is connected between board and kite. A bit like surfing, from the outside, you would think why, but ask any surfer why and they will know themselves why they do.Its the same situation. Its all about the feeling and stoke from it that is hard to explain. Try both, do both. and then you will know why. Or you may just prove to yourself, glad I don't !

Fair enoug. I surf and you can't really compare, they are very different.

Good to see some dialogue guys thanks always helps to have an open mind and be aware of what other wind & wave worshippers are about.

Yeh I agree. I was getting real confused out there, and pissed, but when I understand the mechanics a little better I can see why say they come in a such a narrow angle, also the problem with marginal conditions. I am also glad I know my right of way re the stalling issue. Just gotta understand, get ya ducks in a row and work with it.

Good waves out there. Still a couple of grumpy windsurfers out there that have not come to terms with 10 years of kitesurfing yet, it's just an age thing I reckon. Older the grumpier, the younger the more stoked for your good ride. Just show respect in lineup, don't go out and try and dominate etc. Good to consider windsurfers are less maneuverable.

I hear you Eppo. Windsurfers coming from down wind are harder to notice way out the back
As always its first on the swell... but bogging down in front of you is a green light to go - also uncool is if a kite slows down to let a swell catch up and someone else is on it.