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Fly on da wall said..

nikmcc said..

rwtaaffe said..
And these too

Point number 4 is the one see people not following the most. Mainly TT riders in the surf.
I've lost count of the number of times I've had to bail out of a wave as someone was forcing the usual starboard right of way

I'd ask maritime safety what rules apply for clarification on this topic.
Someone on a wave has right of way over a starboard vessel?

Even in the Maritime Safety rules there are exceptions: yes, a starboard vessel has right of Way in MOST cases, EXCEPT when the port side vessel is constrained in some way, for example they are in a designated shipping channel or the water is too shallow to change course. I'm sure these types of exceptions can also apply to port side kiters on a wave.
Maritime rules also state that if a collision cannot be avoided by the actions of the "give way" vessel alone, BOTH vessels have to take evasive action.

Exactly, you call water.. There's a lot of rules for who has right of way.

I can't see how someone riding a windswept 2 foot dismal sloppy wave should have right of way over someone lining up that crappy wave as a righteous aerial ramp in 35 knots. I think this rule should only apply if the wave is decent.

Is there any rule where you have to bear off if someone stays airborne way longer than they were expecting to, and looks like they might cannonball you?

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wishy said..
I can't see how someone riding a windswept 2 foot dismal sloppy wave should have right of way over someone lining up that crappy wave as a righteous aerial ramp in 35 knots. I think this rule should only apply if the wave is decent.

Is there any rule where you have to bear off if someone stays airborne way longer than they were expecting to, and looks like they might cannonball you?

Agree with you Wishy but I guess the kiter should be taking into account where he / she is going to land before pulling the trigger. The kiter coming in shouldn't have to second guess what the guy coming out is going to do.

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wishy said..

Is there any rule where you have to bear off if someone stays airborne way longer than they were expecting to, and looks like they might cannonball you?

I think Nature has one, Self preservation should kick in. If it doesn't they were probably already dead or simply didnt see him coming

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Gateman said..

Fly on da wall said..

nikmcc said..

rwtaaffe said..
And these too

Point number 4 is the one see people not following the most. Mainly TT riders in the surf.
I've lost count of the number of times I've had to bail out of a wave as someone was forcing the usual starboard right of way

I'd ask maritime safety what rules apply for clarification on this topic.
Someone on a wave has right of way over a starboard vessel?

Even in the Maritime Safety rules there are exceptions: yes, a starboard vessel has right of Way in MOST cases, EXCEPT when the port side vessel is constrained in some way, for example they are in a designated shipping channel or the water is too shallow to change course. I'm sure these types of exceptions can also apply to port side kiters on a wave.
Maritime rules also state that if a collision cannot be avoided by the actions of the "give way" vessel alone, BOTH vessels have to take evasive action.

Here lies the body of Michael O'Day
Who defended to death his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sailed along.
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

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wishy said..
I can't see how someone riding a windswept 2 foot dismal sloppy wave should have right of way over someone lining up that crappy wave as a righteous aerial ramp in 35 knots. I think this rule should only apply if the wave is decent.

Is there any rule where you have to bear off if someone stays airborne way longer than they were expecting to, and looks like they might cannonball you?

It is interesting you mention that, for a couple of reasons IMHO
(1) the rule about guy getting off the beach has ROW and then the guy on the wave has ROW gets really interesting. We can understand why for kiting, but windsurfing and surfing is different so we all need to understand the others too.
The old surf rule about guy on the wave has priority was modified a loonnng tome ago in windsurfing land as it is hard to get out at cross-off spots in big waves (and we can't go under them lol) ............... so kiters need to be aware of that - in some classic big wave riding spots windsurfers will think the guy going out has ROW but not if he is planing and has an optimal jump. The ROW is all about making it easy for the guy heading out so he does not get smashed but it is still wave rider priority.
In WA coming in is starboard tack = ROW and also wave riding coming in = ROW so there is the double whammy. BUT again,not if it is big and a windsurfer heading out is not planing and has to avoid the section.

(2) a 2ft slop spot is not a 'wave riding spot' so has to revert to port vs starboard rule surely? So yup, agree there. Seems local rules reflect this too as a "proper" wave spot will have local rules for that

Thus I think new to waves people need to ask about local rules, as the 2ft slop spot will be different to Ho'okipa rules.
I also think its all about letting the other people have fun and not having a collision!!! I do get a bit tired of giving people a wave when they have ROW and then they are just mowing the lawn.

Like yesterdays genius, baldy at Coronations who dropped in on my wave, got in my way was slower then me AND then when I gave him the wave as I didn't want the hassle he didn't even ride the fker. Buggered it up for me then peeled off.

Just obey (1) starboard ROW on the flats, (2) wave rider priority unless the guy heading out will get smashed if you enforce your wave riding ROW. How easy is that!!!!

Simples surf rule, hard for some to understand, guy surfing the wave has right of way. Surf rules have been around for ever, its surfing in the waves, not sailing boats
If you are heading out from the beach, turn back to the beach or stall for a bit till the wave rider has passed. Its not hard to be considerate.
But judgment mistakes happen....." I should make it out before he gets down the line...oh crap " , then it is both parties to avoid collision at all cost.
The worst is when you get a waaaay under powered windsurfer that decides to try get out right in the middle of the lineup and obviously gets smashed right in the way of everyone trying to ride down the line and get stuck there floundering around for 10 minutes ruining everyone else's waves Too lazy to walk upwind or downwind to head out instead of right in the middle of powered riders. But they seem to think they have right of way because they are sailors
I give windsurfers a wide birth in the surf (not that we see many anymore) because they are usually struggling to get out in the surf, but its just common scenes to give way to anyone in your line of travel .

^^^Oh guru please inform us all then what constitutes a "wave
Without the usual trolling windsurfers crap - I am trying to address the 2ft slop vs peeling perfect overhead just like Wishy did.

So does the surfing rules always override port vs starboard does it? Even if you are riding some little bit of knee high chop? Pfft as if.

And seeing as though you just had to go there and create the hate like usual - retort: do u really think a windsurfer down in the zone causes as much chaos as a kite down? Yeah, right.

Engage in the debate without the hate. I am trying to hep each side understand the other and think what does the other guy want But nup, you have to go there again. Loser.

^^^^^lol, so much anger and name calling dude, take it down a level ah, we no you like to argue with everyone but keep it in your heavy weather threads.