I see a few regulars on this forum focused on waves with their foils.
I've only managed barely 10 minutes of wave time which is too short to achieve anything.
But there is info coming that I have to sit on that could send riding foils into a whole new arena

Game changer??

It's like Old people having sex....... feels great for the participants, but not a great spectacle!

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Jedibrad said...
Game changer??

If riding waves with a surfboard feel of turning with back foot weight, having better upwind speed and safer when crashing, and better jumping attributes is a game changer.

There may be a new distinct fundamental difference between Race oriented foils and freeride wave foils.

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RAL INN said..

Jedibrad said...
Game changer??

If riding waves with a surfboard feel of turning with back foot weight, having better upwind speed and safer when crashing, and better jumping attributes is a game changer.

There may be a new distinct fundamental difference between Race oriented foils and freeride wave foils.

How much ????

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davnom said..

How much ????

Roughly $1600

I knew it was going to be a canard. Bags not being the guinea pig for that

Ok so I know nothing about foils

How is this one different? the mast looks closer to the front wing than normal, is that a key difference?

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Youngbreezy said..
Ok so I know nothing about foils

How is this one different? the mast looks closer to the front wing than normal, is that a key difference?

The big wing is the rear wing. The little wing at the end of the fuse is the front.its essentially going backwards

Plus the now front wing is actually two wings and now all are lifting which means about 30% extra lift and less drag.
Plus instead of the foil launching airborne during a crash, it just settles down.
So small wings and smooth crashes means safer.
I will post the PDF on my Facebook page tonight.

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Livit said...

davnom said..

How much ????

Roughly $1600

Actually a bit cheaper at moment for the first batch.

Videos, and a pdf if you can read French.

zeeko-kites.com/gb/kitefoil-series/339-spitfire-edition-alloy-hydrofoil-3760253112307.html

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RAL INN said...

Livit said...

davnom said..


Actually a bit cheaper at moment for the first batch.

That is farken interesting. Potentially a game changer if the performance lives up to the hype!

definitely interested in that. Will the fuselage and wings fit onto the Blue/White aluminium mast?

While I expect the masts will be the same, I have asked both that question and if the fueslage and wings are to be available as an upgrade option for previous Zeeko Alloy foils.

I have the English version pdf but need some help to post it.

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RAL INN said..
While I expect the masts will be the same, I have asked both that question and if the fueslage and wings are to be available as an upgrade option for previous Zeeko Alloy foils.

I have the English version pdf but need some help to post it.

Tony,any demo's ??

Initial reply is that the spitfire has its own unique plate that positions foil to be right for all Zeeko boards and their strap positions so putting it on a Blue and white mast will affect balance.
As for a demo. I'm working on it.
Mmmmmm anyone want to buy a Black&white edition

I was originally going to make a tongue in cheek comment about how it looks like they mounted the wings backwards, then mounted the fuselage backwards on the mast.

But then I looked at the pictures, and it really does look like that is what they did.

Is this really an elaborate, mis-timed April Fool's joke?

from the vid you could really see a difference in the way the foil carved especially with the back foot much more of a surfboard style of motion

I was already keen to get in on some of the foiling action. now i am frothing

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Gorgo said..
I was originally going to make a tongue in cheek comment about how it looks like they mounted the wings backwards, then mounted the fuselage backwards on the mast.

But then I looked at the pictures, and it really does look like that is what they did.

Is this really an elaborate, mis-timed April Fool's joke?

Yup, it's reversed. Sounds like this design is called a "canard" (duck, long neck). Two fins with lift, not front lift, rear drag. Apparently it's common with gliders and there's been some planes too. Sounds like there's been experiments with them in hydrofoils for some time, discussed in this thread kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2391856&p=956997

I am intrigued. Possibly a better surfboard feel, with more weight on back foot, like carving a surfboard hard. And maybe less likely to pop foil out of the waves, or when you do, better able to ride it out.

The CrazyFoil discussed at start of the KF thread is a Canadian company, also doing a canard design, but seems to be aimed at wakeboarders not kiters. The reviews posted for that one are not great, but who knows.

Big Tony you stole my Question.!!!!

Can we upgrade or retro fit the black & white Edition or as mentioned white &blue edition?
If so that would be the best of both worlds duel purpose.

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LeighMajor said...
Can we upgrade or retro fit the black & white Edition or as mentioned white &blue edition?
If so that would be the best of both worlds duel purpose.

The answer I got basically said the only thing the same is the mast. The plate allows for different positioning of mast to make existing board straps in correct position.
How this goes for strapless?????
Some things are currently in the correct translation stage.

strapless shouldn't be a problem - the foot straps really only help with starting anyways, when you are riding they dont have much purpose at freeride speeds. Like any foil it will have a balance point and if you stand either side it will fly in a controlled fashion. I can't see why a Blue/white mast wouldn't work as long as the tracks on the board allow the mast to be mounted in relatively the same position as the spitfire mast would sit.

I wonder as a canard whether its more fragile than a conventional setup....- I'm thinking what will happen when it hits the bottom (sandbar or reef), because the forward tip & point of impact is further away from where the fuse mounts to the mast, it will allow more leverage and as such cause damage or bending to the fuselage ?

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jamesperth said..
strapless shouldn't be a problem - the foot straps really only help with starting anyways, when you are riding they dont have much purpose at freeride speeds. Like any foil it will have a balance point and if you stand either side it will fly in a controlled fashion. I can't see why a Blue/white mast wouldn't work as long as the tracks on the board allow the mast to be mounted in relatively the same position as the spitfire mast would sit.

I wonder as a canard whether its more fragile than a conventional setup....- I'm thinking what will happen when it hits the bottom (sandbar or reef), because the forward tip & point of impact is further away from where the fuse mounts to the mast, it will allow more leverage and as such cause damage or bending to the fuselage ?

Valid point Also if you are pitching the foil down the lowest point will be the front wing and that will lower than a standard foil set up. The fuse needs to be more robust to potentially take ground strike.

It would be better able to take the impact of landings though with the smaller wings

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Youngbreezy said..
from the vid you could really see a difference in the way the foil carved especially with the back foot much more of a surfboard style of motion

I was already keen to get in on some of the foiling action. now i am frothing

x2!

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Plummet said...

jamesperth said..
strapless shouldn't be a problem - the foot straps really only help with starting anyways, when you are riding they dont have much purpose at freeride speeds. Like any foil it will have a balance point and if you stand either side it will fly in a controlled fashion. I can't see why a Blue/white mast wouldn't work as long as the tracks on the board allow the mast to be mounted in relatively the same position as the spitfire mast would sit.

I wonder as a canard whether its more fragile than a conventional setup....- I'm thinking what will happen when it hits the bottom (sandbar or reef), because the forward tip & point of impact is further away from where the fuse mounts to the mast, it will allow more leverage and as such cause damage or bending to the fuselage ?

Valid point Also if you are pitching the foil down the lowest point will be the front wing and that will lower than a standard foil set up. The fuse needs to be more robust to potentially take ground strike.

Just stop running into the shallows. You know I've bent two regular fuses at the front from hitting the bottom...if they're made to handle that, they'll be overly massive and just force some other component to fail...like the board.

Hey Tony,mast position can be adjusted to suit
stance with say 10" mast base boxes in my boards.
So can you buy from Zeeko the new wave fuselage and foils to suit the Black&white or blue &white masts?So as to retro fit instead of paying for the complete new wave setup.

As a full size pilot, I'm not surprised that this design is so maneuverable! High performance fighters have been using this canard design for a long time, with great success, and having a small front wing in front also reduces the wake turbulence generated in high G turns, over the rear main wing.

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LeighMajor said...
Hey Tony,mast position can be adjusted to suit
stance with say 10" mast base boxes in my boards.
So can you buy from Zeeko the new wave fuselage and foils to suit the Black&white or blue &white masts?So as to retro fit instead of paying for the complete new wave setup.

I'll ask if we can come up with just that option at a better price than just doing it as spare parts.