Looks like a big year for enhancements, this cloth is unbelievable, prepare to supercharge your kite!

Naish 2017 Season coming soon!


Ride safe,

JB

hELLfISH?

Easily as great as the helix!

Trendwatch Y2K - Octuple ripstop by 2020.

Any news on the new Naish Wave Kite Slash?

Naish have been testing QUAD-TEX now for over 3 years. Once you see and fell it, you'll ask why haven't we gone this way earlier. It's as big a change as when kites went from having Mylar leading edge and strut materials to Dacron (back in 2001-02), unbelievable difference in strength and performance. This is bigger than just a shape or graphic change, it's like Glass vs Carbon!

Exciting times.

Shh, no one knows about the Slash yet!

I can confirm is will be made with QUAD-TEX though

JB

Yawn

.oO(Didn't flysurfer froth about the "Lotus" that repels water?)

Good stuff!

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JB said..
Naish have been testing QUAD-TEX now for over 3 years. Once you see and fell it, you'll ask why haven't we gone this way earlier. It's as big a change as when kites went from having Mylar leading edge and strut materials to Dacron (back in 2001-02), unbelievable difference in strength and performance. This is bigger than just a shape or graphic change, it's like Glass vs Carbon!

Exciting times.

Good stuff

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JB said..
Naish have been testing QUAD-TEX now for over 3 years. Once you see and fell it, you'll ask why haven't we gone this way earlier. It's as big a change as when kites went from having Mylar leading edge and strut materials to Dacron (back in 2001-02), unbelievable difference in strength and performance. This is bigger than just a shape or graphic change, it's like Glass vs Carbon!

Exciting times.

..... hahahaha, yeah about that Mylar LE thing,,,,, I was one of those dumb C's that got caught by the mylar leading edge thing, kite was sold to me as a run out deal of the decade. Excited, I bought one (ARX 17.5m).

So when it f'd up on me with in 2 months, blew the LE and I hadn't even been on the water at that stage,,,,, I got told, "yeah nah sorry dude", "your warranty run out because it was a run out deal, and btw, you over inflated your kite", then it was, "yeah nah you under inflated it,,, you did something wrong,,, clearly"!!!

Ummm, ok,,,, I must have. Totally got stooged and played by Naish.

Due to my ignorance I resigned myself to 'I caused it'. How was I to know, I was a newbie and didn't know any better. I bought another kite and like a double dumb C, it was the new model, an X2,,,,,, "dude, this is way better and won't suffer your under, over inflation,,,, NOTHING to do with the MYLAR/Dacron LE material!

Hope this stuff is better!!!!!!

2017 should be exciting with the kites both turning faster and having better top end than last year.

Better graphics too.

Chicks will go crazy for us.

Are four skinny fibres stronger than one thicker fibre of the same total weight ? What do the engineers out there think?

If you keep on putting in more and more rip stop fibres that will have to keep on getting thinner and thinner to keep the overall weight the same, then I reckon eventually you'll end up with something looking a lot like plain dacron.

I've been using so far only the new Torch with Quad-Tex and the structural/material quality is way better than the previous versions. The sensation of a long lasting crispy canopy has no price.

Beside the quad Tex the other remarkable news are the bars, finally well done!
From my point of view the cloop rearming is fantastic and can be performed practically with one hand.

Awaiting this week to try the S***h

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magotom said..

Wow, the graphics on that torch look very different from the last couple of years, does it just come in the blue and luminous yellow like the last couple of years torches?

Two color combination only. Blue and yellow/lime

Holgs,

Dacron would be too stiff as a canopy material. The Quad tex is a minute bit heavier then a the previous cloth (due to the ripstop), however being so much stronger and the seams especially being so much stronger, we can reduce dead weight by reducing the patch and re-reinforcements. I think it was something like over-all canopy material increase was 30 grams on a 10m, but the over-all weight saving on reduced heavy patches and no-longer necessary re-reinforcements 70 grams, therefore the kites are actually lighter and stronger. But above all the actual specs is an amazing feel and responsiveness like no other.

Ride safe,

JB

I don't have an issue with companies trying out new technology provided it's tested properly. You'll have good and bad things.

I think the easiest way to compare it is the whole Nokia thing. Nokia stopped trying new things and rested on their laurels. When Nokia and Blackberry were at their peak, if someone told you the biggest phone manufacturers in 5 years time were going to be Samsung and Apple, people would have laughed you off.

we've seen the same kite evolutions...the introduction of the bow kite which people saw as negative and a gimmick, lots of bad comments about the bridles, and now look at the market. There will also be failures (sigma, hellfish etc), but if you aren't trying new things, you aren't making mistakes, and if one of those actually works, it has the potential to change the market.

time will tell, but I think any change is good.

Are they changing cloth on Park as well???? :)

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JB said...
Holgs,

Dacron would be too stiff as a canopy material. The Quad tex is a minute bit heavier then a the previous cloth (due to the ripstop), however being so much stronger and the seams especially being so much stronger, we can reduce dead weight by reducing the patch and re-reinforcements. I think it was something like over-all canopy material increase was 30 grams on a 10m, but the over-all weight saving on reduced heavy patches and no-longer necessary re-reinforcements 70 grams, therefore the kites are actually lighter and stronger. But above all the actual specs is an amazing feel and responsiveness like no other.

Ride safe,

JB

So does that mean that those smaller size park's don't consistently backstall anymore? I think it could be due to anti stiction and so much screen printing balony without actually having real adjustments on the line's where they're needed...
Robbie is a legend... naish products are nothing like mistral when he rode for them!

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Saffer said..
I don't have an issue with companies trying out new technology provided it's tested properly. You'll have good and bad things.

I think the easiest way to compare it is the whole Nokia thing. Nokia stopped trying new things and rested on their laurels. When Nokia and Blackberry were at their peak, if someone told you the biggest phone manufacturers in 5 years time were going to be Samsung and Apple, people would have laughed you off.

we've seen the same kite evolutions...the introduction of the bow kite which people saw as negative and a gimmick, lots of bad comments about the bridles, and now look at the market. There will also be failures (sigma, hellfish etc), but if you aren't trying new things, you aren't making mistakes, and if one of those actually works, it has the potential to change the market.

time will tell, but I think any change is good.

I usually agree with you, but this time I don't really. Your whole theory is contradictory. You say Nokia didn't try new things so they went under, but then you go on to say Apple is now the biggest... Apple play it very safe and offer very little new tech or products, mostly offering products worse than competitors but at a much higher premium. If Nokia had been trending like Apple is now and they had made the right choice and produced smartphones they would still be a huge player.

I don't think that "any change" is good as often times it's just taking budget and resources away from making products and R&D/changes to things that actually need it.

This whole discussion in regards to Naish I have no real opinion on yet as I haven't properly checked it out.

Is that an (extremely short) bridal with pulley as an option for the front line attachment?

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Saffer said..
I don't have an issue with companies trying out new technology provided it's tested properly. You'll have good and bad things.

I think the easiest way to compare it is the whole Nokia thing. Nokia stopped trying new things and rested on their laurels. When Nokia and Blackberry were at their peak, if someone told you the biggest phone manufacturers in 5 years time were going to be Samsung and Apple, people would have laughed you off.

we've seen the same kite evolutions...the introduction of the bow kite which people saw as negative and a gimmick, lots of bad comments about the bridles, and now look at the market. There will also be failures (sigma, hellfish etc), but if you aren't trying new things, you aren't making mistakes, and if one of those actually works, it has the potential to change the market.

time will tell, but I think any change is good.

I usually agree with you, but this time I don't really. Your whole theory is contradictory. You say Nokia didn't try new things so they went under, but then you go on to say Apple is now the biggest... Apple play it very safe and offer very little new tech or products, mostly offering products worse than competitors but at a much higher premium. If Nokia had been trending like Apple is now and they had made the right choice and produced smartphones they would still be a huge player.

I don't think that "any change" is good as often times it's just taking budget and resources away from making products and R&D/changes to things that actually need it.

This whole discussion in regards to Naish I have no real opinion on yet as I haven't properly checked it out.

Apple broke new ground with the original iPhone, it may have used existing technologies, but they were the first to put them together properly. But just as easily as they can get the market, they can lose it, so if Apple, Samsung or anyone else wants to maintain that market, they have to keep developing. I'm not a massive fan of Samsung, largely because of their copytition model. They produced a copy of the blackberry called the blackjack, they copy TV's from sony, it does nothing to the market to produce cheap copies because you don't have the innovation cost and you stifle innovation.

I think Apple has started to stabilise but the market expects them to be leading from an innovation perspective and I agree, Apple is now playing it safe so they have to get off their asses and do something to protect their market or they will become the next Nokia.

When I say any change is good, it means that any change you have to move the sport forward. Stronger material, safer bars, not just innovation for the sake of innovation.

Well Nokia were innovators also at one point. I agree with all of what you just said though.

Samsung is actually pretty smart, they produce copy products that people can switch to whilst also trying to innovate themselves (which doesn't always pay off). If they make a product that flops they know to can it pretty quickly and move on.
I would also argue that Samsung has done just as much (if not more) innovating than Apple. Samsung had a pretty big go at cracking the camera market recently with their amazing NX line of cameras, it was a shame that they didn't gain traction as what they were doing was unbeatable in that price range.

From about 1870's - Nokia used to to own pulp mills and make toilet paper. (Nokia silk was a family favorite)

In the 1970's they went onto many industries including rubber, forestry, cable, electricity and electronics.

Late 80's ventured into car phones.

Now venturing into the connected health market.

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sir ROWDY said..
Well Nokia were innovators also at one point . I agree with all of what you just said though.

Samsung is actually pretty smart, they produce copy products that people can switch to whilst also trying to innovate themselves (which doesn't always pay off). If they make a product that flops they know to can it pretty quickly and move on.
I would also argue that Samsung has done just as much (if not more) innovating than Apple. Samsung had a pretty big go at cracking the camera market recently with their amazing NX line of cameras, it was a shame that they didn't gain traction as what they were doing was unbeatable in that price range.

I agree on Samsung innovating, but I think the difference between Samsung and other innovators is I think that Samsung are good at producing technology, but they're terrible at applying it to something. Samsung is the kind of company that produces a curved see through display on specification from a company whereas the other technology innovators will come up with the idea, take it, add some software and find a way to make it work as a car windshield. I think both are invaluable, but I see Samsung as the kind of company that thinks they own the technology outcomes simply because they produce a piece of the technology. I.e. because they produce 50% of the components for a car which they were asked to build to a particular spec, they feel it gives them a right to copy a car design and use it as their own. Creating technology and knowing how to apply it are two completely different things.

I have ridden some of the new kites with the Quad tech cloth. It makes the whole kite feel more ridged. The same kite with a different material makes a lot of difference in flying which you can feel flying the kites back to back.
You can really hear the canopy snap back into place when the kite is depowered and sheeted in.

When you compare clothes the D2 makes the other clothes feel cheap, the Quad tech makes the D2 seem like its inferior. 3 years of testing on this should be plenty of time to see if it is better.

A material that lasts longer and has less stretch means your kites will fly better longer, sounds good to me!

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pro merc said...
I have ridden some of the new kites with the Quad tech cloth. It makes the whole kite feel more ridged. The same kite with a different material makes a lot of difference in flying which you can feel flying the kites back to back.
You can really hear the canopy snap back into place when the kite is depowered and sheeted in.

When you compare clothes the D2 makes the other clothes feel cheap, the Quad tech makes the D2 seem like its inferior. 3 years of testing on this should be plenty of time to see if it is better.

A material that lasts longer and has less stretch means your kites will fly better longer, sounds good to me!

So like lofty winds.. I have some 10+ year old kites that fly fine and was wondering if they'll be like them in 10 years time or would they be too old n dangerously dangerous to use? Just wondering cause I'm a pulley bar C kite kinda guy that was kiting on 27inch bars with 2 LINE kites n directional board's before being a soft kook that needs a dummy with honey to suck on before I think about getting my toes wet... and I actually rode a biatch before Mylar was replaced with dacron...

I know it's pretty soft Core.. hello. No ozoned out!

So will the kites have a phone holder?

That sounds......... innovative

Why do they call it shampoo

Is it Cause it's a sham and it's poo

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Fly on da wall said..

So like lofty winds.. I have some 10+ year old kites that fly fine and was wondering if they'll be like them in 10 years time or would they be too old n dangerously dangerous to use? Just wondering cause I'm a pulley bar C kite kinda guy that was kiting on 27inch bars with 2 LINE kites n directional board's before being a soft kook that needs a dummy with honey to suck on before I think about getting my toes wet... and I actually rode a biatch before Mylar was replaced with dacron...

I know it's pretty soft Core.. hello. No ozoned out!

I don't think the problem is not being safe, just that a stretched out floppy kite doesn't fly as well as a crispy brand new one. If you ride in a high-wind gusty place you can see some of the 3-strutters that people ride all bagged out after a season or two, some spots flapping in the wind when they shouldn't be etc. just because of the stress put on them.

So if the new fabric can withstand more stress for longer periods of time, awesome.

If it's that significantly better, maybe there can be more innovation with less struts as well for foiling. No more having to fly a Cloud that flies like **** after 4 sessions because it stretches.