The guys at duotone are reporting a new secret weapon, lightweight material
To save everyone from watching:
'Here's a look at a blurred out kite because it doesn't exist in the range and might not ever make it into production'
Or roughly translated. The prototype is really good but it costs so much that nobody would buy it.
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..
Well there's the capa...
its an inflatable and uses new materials apparently.
I dont think we will see any major gamechangers this season. SLS sounds promising but I am not yet convinced they have innovated much in terms of new materials (until we see more info), just stripped away reinforcement (similar to between 2019 and 2020), and maybe have reverted to double or single ripstop as they have done on the juice.
If Duotone or anyone want to develope a product that will make a LEI kite substantially lighter they should be looking at developing lighter bladder materials, considering the high percentage of overall weight bladders constitute.
Select to expand quotebillygreen said..
The guys at duotone are reporting a new secret weapon, lightweight material
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Have they just stripped away all reinforcement so the kite will flap itself to death and a wave rinse cycle will destroy it? Or have they developed their answer to aluula?
Hmmmmm, until ya drop it then you've definitely got a day off and a swim and a clean. Then you probably need 2 shots of a good scotch to calm your nerves.
Eleveight are out of the same factory as Duotone and have just started using Extreme High Tenacity Light Fabric in 2021, which I believe they replace with the normal Tejin XT dacron on their their single strut foil kite.
If Eleveight are using it then Duotone will be as well.
Select to expand quoteMrFreeze said..billygreen said..
The guys at duotone are reporting a new secret weapon, lightweight material
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Have they just stripped away all reinforcement so the kite will flap itself to death and a wave rinse cycle will destroy it? Or have they developed their answer to aluula?
Hmmmmm, until ya drop it then you've definitely got a day off and a swim and a clean. Then you probably need 2 shots of a good scotch to calm your nerves.
there is another video of the dude relaunching in super light wind apparently 4-6 knots. I would probably not be able to relaunch my 9m 2020 standard material kite in 10 knots if the leading edge sat on the water for more than a few seconds
Select to expand quotebjw said..
Eleveight are out of the same factory as Duotone and have just started using Extreme High Tenacity Light Fabric in 2021, which I believe they replace with the normal Tejin XT dacron on their their single strut foil kite.
If Eleveight are using it then Duotone will be as well.
Really nice to see that the Duotone graphics department have got there act together for the 2021 season.
This is the first year I have really liked there colour scheme
Select to expand quotebillygreen said..
its an inflatable and uses new materials apparently.
I dont think we will see any major gamechangers this season. SLS sounds promising but I am not yet convinced they have innovated much in terms of new materials (until we see more info), just stripped away reinforcement (similar to between 2019 and 2020), and maybe have reverted to double or single ripstop as they have done on the juice.
SLS material seems pretty solid so far, it's replacing Dacron in the frame/LE. Have been testing one here over the last few days and been pretty impressed on a whole, will have some more info once we're allowed to talk about it (next week). 
Can confirm it's definitely still using the Trinity TX material from last year in the main canopy.Select to expand quotesnalberski said..
If Duotone or anyone want to develope a product that will make a LEI kite substantially lighter they should be looking at developing lighter bladder materials, considering the high percentage of overall weight bladders constitute.
Light weight bladders are definitely a big thing in the works, the Juice actually already uses a lighter bladder material according to all the specs, but not sure how much lighter it actually is as we haven't had to pull one out yet.
Bladders are a tricky one though, Duotone have really nailed the valve/bladder construction these days and we have so few issues with valves etc. even on old kites compared to a lot of others. I hope they don't mess with things too much!
Select to expand quoteAdventure Sports Noosa said..billygreen said..
its an inflatable and uses new materials apparently.
I dont think we will see any major gamechangers this season. SLS sounds promising but I am not yet convinced they have innovated much in terms of new materials (until we see more info), just stripped away reinforcement (similar to between 2019 and 2020), and maybe have reverted to double or single ripstop as they have done on the juice.
SLS material seems pretty solid so far, it's replacing Dacron in the frame/LE. Have been testing one here over the last few days and been pretty impressed on a whole, will have some more info once we're allowed to talk about it (next week).
Can confirm it's definitely still using the Trinity TX material from last year in the main canopy.snalberski said..
If Duotone or anyone want to develope a product that will make a LEI kite substantially lighter they should be looking at developing lighter bladder materials, considering the high percentage of overall weight bladders constitute.
Light weight bladders are definitely a big thing in the works, the Juice actually already uses a lighter bladder material according to all the specs, but not sure how much lighter it actually is as we haven't had to pull one out yet.
Bladders are a tricky one though, Duotone have really nailed the valve/bladder construction these days and we have so few issues with valves etc. even on old kites compared to a lot of others. I hope they don't mess with things too much!
So no changes to trinity fabric? In the dice video they seem to make out there is a new coating on it similar to what cabrinha have done with the improved 2dr fabric
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So no changes to trinity fabric? In the dice video they seem to make out there is a new coating on it similar to what cabrinha have done with the improved 2dr fabric
I'm not 100% sure on that one sorry. Just had a watch of the video though, they already had the same double coating on the Trinity TX last year from what I understand, so I don't think that's new on the 2021 kites they were probably just re-iterating what's special about it.
I think they covered most of the new stuff on the Dice in that video, new panel layout and bridling etc. mostly focusing on weight reduction.
Only had a quick fly of the new Dice so far, but initial response has been pretty good from the couple of people who've used it. More snappy/responsive and lighter in the air, most of the stuff you would expect to come with lighter weight. Couple of guys had it out at the KA expo on the weekend and were pretty stoked with it.
Will have some more detailed feedback soon hopefully, just need some more wind!
It would be good if they could follow in Ocean Rodeo's footsteps.
The Alula reviews, particularly the comments about the kite not pulling as hard as other kites the same size has me perplexed!
Was thinking if Duotone or another market leading brand got their act together they could make a super light wind performance machine.
Select to expand quotepgc said..
I have it from a very good source that the new neo sls is a weapon . Ha
anyone have the release date for the neo sls?
Next week i believe as I understand it the new kites have smaller tubes because the material is so much stronger . The kites are totally redesigned to perform in this configuration. James when asked told me the are a Ferrari but no other details . Sorry guys
Next week i believe as I understand it the new kites have smaller tubes because the material is so much stronger . The kites are totally redesigned to perform in this configuration. James when asked told me the are a Ferrari but no other details . Sorry guys
Select to expand quotepgc said..
Next week i believe as I understand it the new kites have smaller tubes because the material is so much stronger . The kites are totally redesigned to perform in this configuration. James when asked told me the are a Ferrari but no other details . Sorry guys
i guess he is paid to say that. i was of the impression that all dimensions and geometry would remain the same just with the substitution of improved materials
Select to expand quoteweebitbreezy said..
To save everyone from watching:
'Here's a look at a blurred out kite because it doesn't exist in the range and might not ever make it into production'
Or roughly translated. The prototype is really good but it costs so much that nobody would buy it.
Or, it's filled with helium to keep it in the air when there's no wind! 
Select to expand quoteneldy said..
Looks pretty good. I wonder what the Evo SLS will be like.
I mean, it's not like the NEO was top of the range performance wise anyway, so not to difficult to change the shape for some improvements...
I wonder what it weighs
Select to expand quotedachopper said..neldy said..
Looks pretty good. I wonder what the Evo SLS will be like.
I mean, it's not like the NEO was top of the range performance wise anyway, so not to difficult to change the shape for some improvements...
I wonder what it weighs
are you comparing it to foil race kites or other wave/freeride kites?
Select to expand quotebillygreen said..pgc said..
Next week i believe as I understand it the new kites have smaller tubes because the material is so much stronger . The kites are totally redesigned to perform in this configuration. James when asked told me the are a Ferrari but no other details . Sorry guys
i guess he is paid to say that. i was of the impression that all dimensions and geometry would remain the same just with the substitution of improved materials
They are keeping it similar in design overall, but required some changes due to different material properties. 50% less elongation on the Penta TX vs Dacron so they had to make a few design changes to account for this.
They ended up making a few more changes in the end though, as the SLS has the Flex Struts too which come off the back of the Juice design and worked really well there.Select to expand quotedachopper said..
I wonder what it weighs
I think the largest one, the 12m, comes in just over 3kgs, like 3.1ish? Don't quote me! Haven't had one here to actually weigh just yet, working backwards from a few numbers we were given on the weight savings 
Select to expand quotedachopper said..
Was thinking if Duotone or another market leading brand got their act together they could make a super light wind performance machine.
I'm betting we'll have a new SLS Juice in March which should be a pretty big improvement. We almost had it this year but I believe they wanted to spend a bit more time in development with the Penta TX before releasing.
There are a few things in the pipeline, lots of talk of new materials but the big factor is cost. Some of the materials being tested are 3-5x the cost of D2, and while the performance potential is massive the 10 or 15 grand price tag for a kite might put a few people off!!
Select to expand quoteAdventure Sports Noosa said..billygreen said..pgc said..
Next week i believe as I understand it the new kites have smaller tubes because the material is so much stronger . The kites are totally redesigned to perform in this configuration. James when asked told me the are a Ferrari but no other details . Sorry guys
i guess he is paid to say that. i was of the impression that all dimensions and geometry would remain the same just with the substitution of improved materials
They are keeping it similar in design overall, but required some changes due to different material properties. 50% less elongation on the Penta TX vs Dacron so they had to make a few design changes to account for this.
They ended up making a few more changes in the end though, as the SLS has the Flex Struts too which come off the back of the Juice design and worked really well there.dachopper said..
I wonder what it weighs
I think the largest one, the 12m, comes in just over 3kgs, like 3.1ish? Don't quote me! Haven't had one here to actually weigh just yet, working backwards from a few numbers we were given on the weight savings dachopper said..
Was thinking if Duotone or another market leading brand got their act together they could make a super light wind performance machine.
I'm betting we'll have a new SLS Juice in March which should be a pretty big improvement. We almost had it this year but I believe they wanted to spend a bit more time in development with the Penta TX before releasing.
There are a few things in the pipeline, lots of talk of new materials but the big factor is cost. Some of the materials being tested are 3-5x the cost of D2, and while the performance potential is massive the 10 or 15 grand price tag for a kite might put a few people off!!
I heard they are actually using allula as well. Allula is not Ocean Rodeo, though many of the same people are involved.
Hey guys just telling u what my son told me . Make what u want of it but I have ordered
