I am debating a 13 edge or north nugget. I have the pivots 9-11 and looking to gain a bit more low end between 14-18 knots. Never been on a surfboard and love freeride and jumping. I have been on edges 9-11 before so know these sizes so the upwind advantage is a draw card to the edge 13. What would you guys go for? Any advice would be great? Cheers

Hi mate, I have a fire wire sweet potato which is very similar to the nugget but with a few litres extra volume-and I can get going in 10 knots and up wind comfortably in 12 with a 10 meter Rio 70kg.so with the nugget and your 11 meter pivot you should be very similar, not jumping though just carving on a wave. Would like to try the 13 m edge as well to see how much it would gain me but no demos here where I am.

Yeh the nugget sounds good, but for me just hooning around and jumping a lot on my mako 150 or monk is the way I lean towards, not a surfing background at all, so unshure if I would get on with a surfboard?

For sure get the board. Plus it's cheaper then getting a bigger kite

Yes I was the same always used a Mako king and no surfing background but once I got on the surfboard I really enjoyed it but you need at least a small wave to have fun

13 edge is a sweet kite. Its not as boosty as the 11m. But man does it glide. Its a good light wind weapon. Couple it with a light wind board and my bottom edge is around the same as a 17 zephur. Its good to 20 knots easily. Then madness 20-25. I've held my down in a 30 knot squall.

I am 100kg and I jump on my nugget all the time.
A few heal dints but not much else after two years of wave and flat water use.

I added SUP rail tape to protect the edges.

It will add quite a few knots to your low end.

Ive never had a edge 13 but I have a nugget. I can tell you that the nugget will increase your bottom end by alot... my guess would be more than an extra 2m in kite size (but that is a guess of course). Its real fun to ride but if you want to be having a boosting sesh the nugget obviously isnt ideally suited...not that boosting cant be done, but your sesh will have a different flavour....its all good

It's a tough one, I'm sure a 13 edge will give me a bit more bottom end, but maybe the nugget a bit more. Trouble is were I kite there's not many waves unless I travel a bit, and I'm probably getting it for light wind rather than wave riding?light wind being 14-17.

Go the 13 and get a second hand surfboard to get you going, then change to a kite specific one once you have it dialed and know what you want

Been here before,
Had a 13 edge and nugget set up for light wind.
Am now happier with piture shown and a powerfull 12 meter.
Edge turned to slow.
Try your 11 with a big fish like this first.
You will be surprised.
Board is 5,10 and 21 wide 3 inches in the middle and rides smother than a nugget.
Hope this helps.

I have no surfing background and got myself a nugget. Now I prefer going out on the nugget, even if its just some small choppy waves.
My biggest kite is a 14, and I was thinking about getting a 17/18 or a nugget. Very happy with the nugget, it's lots of fun and you will pick it up fast.

Yeh ste understand your dilemma being more TT orientated myself (I have both a 13m Dyno and a nugget). Hence I always had a quiver of TT sizes. Thing is unless you are on a 16 or bigger even 14/15 is pretty lame for freeride jumping about. I got the Nugget (could be anything similar though) and got rid of all my TTs and just kept my main size. The nugget style board then starts to offer a different dimension to your riding, can be jumped if you have power of not still great to cruise, try some strapless tricks (mostly unsuccessful) and also when the waves are better than mush you can put up a smaller kite and try your hand in the waves. It's so damn versatile.

Low end... Well in Bali for a few days there was me on my 16m Dyno, one guy on a 21m Flysurfer and two others on foilboards (man that looks hard). No one else could get out.

My take. Get something like a nugget(give it time it grows on you) but then add something like a 13m edge as well. Why? Because the nugget really capitalises on the efficiency of such a kite. They work well in tandem.

But yeh maximise the low end of what ya got kite wise then think about adding a 13m edge. Which is a superb kite and size imo.

I'm 85 kg and last week was out in Bali on 11 edge and mostly 148x47 TT, surrounded by 17s and Zephyrs on nuggets, etc, the 11 is so efficient and a bigger TT gets the bottom end and still free ride/jump, I'd forget the 13 edge, plus the 11 edge and surfboard is doable as well.

I believe it's surface area, not volume, that gets you riding in lower wind. A big twin tip type board can work as well as a nugget. The edging ability of a low volume board can help a lot also. But, being able to ride and actually having enough wind to have fun are two different things. That's where a bigger kite might be needed. Everyone has different kite/board combos that work for them.

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ste said...

Or you could just be done with it and get a 19m XR4 and foil. You know its envietable

I agree with the earlier comments about the 13m Edge being a slow turner, especially compared to the smaller sizes, but they are a bit of an acquired taste. Once you get used to the turning speed and the need to let them breathe a bit, they really develop power and speed with the apparent wind and have great hang time. Certainly worth testing of you can get hold of one.

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ste said..
It's a tough one, I'm sure a 13 edge will give me a bit more bottom end, but maybe the nugget a bit more. Trouble is were I kite there's not many waves unless I travel a bit, and I'm probably getting it for light wind rather than wave riding?light wind being 14-17.

If your not in the waves ,then a 13 edge would be great.
I sold mine as I was in the waves all the time.
If your on a budget get a 2011 model as I felt no difference from the 2013.
A race guy may tell you different.
Light bar pressure too.

Hey Ste,bit like you,we like our pivots and edges.13m edge is worth having for more bottom end on a bigger TT or board.Have a 2013 Edge 13m if you need one.Bought of Wok Westoz,great condition.Only updated to 2014 model is all.Regards Leigh

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eabmoto said..
I believe it's surface area, not volume, that gets you riding in lower wind. A big twin tip type board can work as well as a nugget. The edging ability of a low volume board can help a lot also. But, being able to ride and actually having enough wind to have fun are two different things. That's where a bigger kite might be needed. Everyone has different kite/board combos that work for them.

The volume does help, especially at the crucial times in the lull or on a turn. Also the fins give additional drive when needed.

14 to 18 knts perfect zephyr winds, imo more dynamic than the edge at 13mtr

"The volume does help, especially at the crucial times in the lull or on a turn. Also the fins give additional drive when needed."

If you want to be able to continue riding in sub planing conditions then I agree, volume is necessary. As far as being able to get up and planing in light wind, I don't believe volume helps. And I have fins on my low volume board... for drive.

I personally found at the time, my edge 11 had the same bottom end as my 2013 zephyr, only difference was my edge went upwind better, and that was back to back test.

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cauncy said..
14 to 18 knts perfect zephyr winds, imo more dynamic than the edge at 13mtr

I never liked the zep. A slow lumbering medioca kite that does nothing well. Sure you can mow lawns with it. But that's about it.

I find the 13 edge way more fun. similar bottom end, Better upwind. Sweeter jumps plus you can hold the 13 into the 20's.

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Plummet said...

cauncy said..
14 to 18 knts perfect zephyr winds, imo more dynamic than the edge at 13mtr

I never liked the zep. A slow lumbering medioca kite that does nothing well. Sure you can mow lawns with it. But that's about it.

I find the 13 edge way more fun. similar bottom end, Better upwind. Sweeter jumps plus you can hold the 13 into the 20's.

Which model ? the early zephyr was a breakthrough in lightwind kiting, now with most brands doing a lw kite you've got a better choice, the latest edition is a real fun kite for a big kite,, for me it was a go to kite from 13 knts on a standard tt, around 15/16 knts it was perfect, I'd spend as much time in the air as on the water, great for learning some moves, 7 edge 10 edge and my zephyr had me powered from 13 to high 30s, never thought I needed an edge over 10, as they lose their dynamics after that, apart from mowing the lawn more efficiently, hoping to see them changed in the coming year as they're finished as a racing kite, a more freeride orientated angle will see it's continuation

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Plummet said...

cauncy said..
14 to 18 knts perfect zephyr winds, imo more dynamic than the edge at 13mtr

I never liked the zep. A slow lumbering medioca kite that does nothing well. Sure you can mow lawns with it. But that's about it.

I find the 13 edge way more fun. similar bottom end, Better upwind. Sweeter jumps plus you can hold the 13 into the 20's.

never thought I needed an edge over 10, as they lose their dynamics after that, apart from mowing the lawn more efficiently, hoping to see them changed in the coming year as they're finished as a racing kite, a more freeride orientated angle will see it's continuation

edge over 10 not dynamic ? I've got 9 & 11, doubt the 10 would be much different from either but also doubt the 13 would have any benefit over the 11, just heavier and slower.

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Surfer62 said..

cauncy said..

Plummet said...

cauncy said..
14 to 18 knts perfect zephyr winds, imo more dynamic than the edge at 13mtr

I never liked the zep. A slow lumbering medioca kite that does nothing well. Sure you can mow lawns with it. But that's about it.

I find the 13 edge way more fun. similar bottom end, Better upwind. Sweeter jumps plus you can hold the 13 into the 20's.

never thought I needed an edge over 10, as they lose their dynamics after that, apart from mowing the lawn more efficiently, hoping to see them changed in the coming year as they're finished as a racing kite, a more freeride orientated angle will see it's continuation

edge over 10 not dynamic ? I've got 9 & 11, doubt the 10 would be much different from either but also doubt the 13 would have any benefit over the 11, just heavier and slower.

13 Edge does add some knots of low end to the 11 and 10 edge. Its definitely not as wizbang as the 10/11 but has the grunt and glide in lower winds.

Cauncy I've tried several models over the years. Last time was a year maybe 18 months ago. I haven't liked any of them. To be fair I prefer foils in the ultralight winds. The zep doesn't come close to light wind performance or boost and glide in those winds....

I'm beginning to think there is no magic kite or board, that for my riding I enjoy, jumping, blasting around in waves powered up, no matter what I have tried, I don't feel the love til about 16 knots plus?

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ste said..
I'm beginning to think there is no magic kite or board, that for my riding I enjoy, jumping, blasting around in waves powered up, no matter what I have tried, I don't feel the love til about 16 knots plus?

Yes, in my time trying different thinks you really need 13 knots.
Am 83 kilos and if I want to do any better you need a race board.
By the way I always did better on my edge13 meter than all the 15 and 17 meter
kites that I have had.
Good luck.
Am now looking for a sector 54.
Anyone got one.