G'day guys,
Anyone riding the dynabar v8 find it uncomfortable? I have bought the larger spreader as I ride a large harness but it is so flat that when I tighten my harness it digs into my both hip bones. I think I'm going to take it back as I haven't used it and get the smaller one. Alternatively get a new harness and stuff the dynabar off.

Any thoughts on this wouldbe appreciated.

Thanks
Boyler

Yep. I find it can dig into my ribs a bit after a good session, so the tighter I can cinch it down the better. I have the larger one, so I reckon a smaller one might be a good idea.

Definitely not as comfy as the spreader bar on my warrior 2. I do really like it for toeside on my surfboard!

I find a teaspoon of cement just before I go, or an impact vest sorts it.

same issue with me too. I had a smaller one and broke it, went with the online sizing and got the next size up...too big. I will put up with it for a while as it's not too bad, but not as good as the smaller version. Two years on and I would not ever go back to a fixed harness again.

Hi guys, I still don't have a Dynabar, but have been doing research into it again in the last couple of weeks..

I watched this excellent video on the V8 just recently. When you all mentioned the same issue with the longer bar, I thought I'd post this for you to see.

The whole video is great IMO. Really informative. He shows so many configurations options as well as the changes to Version 8. I'd watch it all if I were you.

However, the spreader bar 'issue' you are referring to starts at 2:10 in the video. It's not what you'll want to see having already purchased the larger bar but it does explain what you're experiencing, and why.

This product is getting more refined every year, it looks more versatile than ever now.

Was wondering what you guys do as a backup for if/ when the rope breaks?
I assume your only option is to self rescue?

Select to expand quote

Wicksy said..

Was wondering what you guys do as a backup for if/ when the rope breaks?
I assume your only option is to self rescue?

Dont use the rope/ring set up for your safety. You can just attach a short safety to the frame of the bar below rope.

Thanks Pearl

But I'm assuming that when the rope breaks you will lose the sliding hook, and therefore have nothing left to attached the chicken loop to.
So how do you get back to shore, other than by self rescuing?

^ the guy in the vid says the "pro wave slider" bar is not that popular. However it is a bar, so no breakage issues like with rope.

Guys surfing waves - do you use the rope or slider bar?

Select to expand quote

Wicksy said..

Thanks Pearl

But I'm assuming that when the rope breaks you will lose the sliding hook, and therefore have nothing left to attached the chicken loop to.
So how do you get back to shore, other than by self rescuing?

If the rope breaks with my set-up the hook ends up left on the chicken loop and kite is still attached via safety. Just have to fly in unhooked. To ditch the lot you have to pull safety as well. If you attach your safety with ring on rope, as they suggest; you will lose the lot if the roper breaks. Also worth checking the position of the pin thats on the other end of the red ball release. It can move over time and let the rope release.
I use the large 13" dynabar and have no digging or hip burn issues. 32" waist. They work best with the most structured supportive harness you can fit into with a large space between adjustment straps. Twin adjustment straps work better than the single.

Thanks Pearl

That makes sense. See what you mean about attaching the leash to the bottom of the spreader bar. Good idea!

I've been using a dyne bar for years, and I had a bar fail, but not a rope break.
If you use the right sort of braided rope and check your gear often enough, and don't leave it till you only have one strand remaining, you'll never have a problem.
I don't use the hook roller system, I just use the Carabina on the rope and stay hooked in all the time.
Because I use a Dynar Bar, there's no real need to unhook. It gives me the freedom I need without unhooking.

I use the ProWave Slider V8 bar. I thought I would have more faith in that metal bit of bar than some rope. Used loctite on the nuts to screw it on. So far so good....

I watched the video 2.10 - apparently my stomach may not be as flat as it could be I have the larger 13 inch? option so the smaller one could be the way to go.

I also don't use their safety thing either.... I just clip my kite onto my leash to harness as normal. Nothing like keeping it simple.

Thanks guys. Stoked I'm not the only one who doesn't have a perfectly flat washboard stomach!!

I think I'll take it back and go for the smaller one and see how that feels.
Boyler

Select to expand quote

pearl said..

Wicksy said..

Thanks Pearl

But I'm assuming that when the rope breaks you will lose the sliding hook, and therefore have nothing left to attached the chicken loop to.
So how do you get back to shore, other than by self rescuing?

If the rope breaks with my set-up the hook ends up left on the chicken loop and kite is still attached via safety. Just have to fly in unhooked. To ditch the lot you have to pull safety as well. If you attach your safety with ring on rope, as they suggest; you will lose the lot if the roper breaks. Also worth checking the position of the pin thats on the other end of the red ball release. It can move over time and let the rope release.
I use the large 13" dynabar and have no digging or hip burn issues. 32" waist. They work best with the most structured supportive harness you can fit into with a large space between adjustment straps. Twin adjustment straps work better than the single.

Hey Pearl, where can I get a leash like yours or did you make it yourself - also can you still unhook ?

^^^^^^^ standard ozone short safety leash ^^^^^^^. The 2015 model leash is better than 2014 due to the way it attaches and releases.
Re unhooking...It can be fiddley hooking back in with this set up as the sliding set up flops around Plus you need a leash at least as long as your arm. (Imagine your arm at full stretch from your leash attachment point) Best option for that is still a fixed hook with lots of curve and no donkey dick. Maybe pm surfingboye as I think he runs a slider and unhooks.

im a 36" waist, large(13) suits me well, no washboard stomach, I use it with a seat harness so that may be the reason it doesn't dig into ribs etc. It is a tad bulky, and its hard to reach down to pick up the board, tried the Dynabar V8 only once, have the rope setup and the way the hook pivots upwards makes jumping easier for some reason, I've shorten the white rope slightly cause you have to reach out further to depower compared to a standard hook which is close to your stomach, something ill get used to, and with the rope setup, its as twitchy as heck, easily sliding back and forth, will get used to it with more sessions, but its great for toe side, the rope does seem flimsy but as PeliPete says, just keep an eye on it and all is good! Oh and if you use the quick release hook thingy for attaching, make sure its pulled TIGHT otherwise it detaches when the kite and pulley is on the same side as the quick release, leaving you still hooked in but the whole dynabar flung out with only the one attachment point. (hard to visualise, just keep it tight) Good things!

I have never had my V8 dig in or anything... Can't help there.

I have been running the rope slider for years. The amount of movement it gives you at the hips is just crazy.
If you are kiting hooked in either waves or just general free-ride, I would definitely be giving a Dynabar a go.

As far as unhooking goes, that is no drama with the rope slider.
The Dynabar uses a elastic bungee to keep the hook centred and facing up, ready for you to hook back in.

This vid shows how simply it is to hook in and out (and you'll see my new Jaystore harness).

Another good video on the V8

^^^ Agree ^^^

Ryan does a great job showing the whole system, including the new harnesses. I watched this one recently too.

It's a pity trying on their harnesses for fit etc. is not so accessible (in WA anyway). Never mind, at least the bar can be retrofitted to most harnesses.

Select to expand quote

jezzacairns said..
I use the ProWave Slider V8 bar. I thought I would have more faith in that metal bit of bar than some rope. Used loctite on the nuts to screw it on. So far so good....

I watched the video 2.10 - apparently my stomach may not be as flat as it could be I have the larger 13 inch? option so the smaller one could be the way to go.

I also don't use their safety thing either.... I just clip my kite onto my leash to harness as normal. Nothing like keeping it simple.

I seem to remember that Amsteel is actually tougher than steel...

Hey surfboye, why the jump cuts in the editing? is that a fault in the video? wanna see the way you hook in, (For us new with the DB) can you re post vid?
thanx man.

Select to expand quote

Wicksy said..

Was wondering what you guys do as a backup for if/ when the rope breaks?
I assume your only option is to self rescue?

I run a second rope through the lower holes as a backup should the primary rope break. The second rope is a tiny bit looser so that it receives no wear.
I don't use the hook, just a shackle that runs along the rope. I clip the shackle to the chicken loop. No bungy cord needed.
The shackle allows for easy spinning.
The safety line is attached to the shackle via a small U bolt, just above the openning pin, and spins with the chicken loop so no tangles.

Select to expand quote

koshi said...
Hey surfboye, why the jump cuts in the editing? is that a fault in the video? wanna see the way you hook in, (For us new with the DB) can you re post vid?
thanx man.

Haha, no trick editing or conspiracy.
The footage wasn't that good so I just wanted it to be short and sweet.

To hook back in (for this video), use your right hand to reach up and pull the chicken loop down and into your harness. I'll try and remember to add a clip of this next vid. Practice this skill on the beach in light wind if you want. Pretty easy stuff, you'll get it in no time.

Hi Australians, we see there is need for some explanation.

The DYNABAR is larger than standard spreader bars for two reasons, the first is to have more side sliding travel of the hook and the second is to limit the body "squeeze" done by the harness under pull. A perfect shape doesn't exist due to the many differences in belly and chest shapes.

If the pain is due to the harness sliding up we suggest the usage of shorty with integrated leg straps or leg straps, they don't limit leg or body freedom of movement.

If you have more questions we will be pleased to answer...

Select to expand quote

surfingboye said..

koshi said...
Hey surfboye, why the jump cuts in the editing? is that a fault in the video? wanna see the way you hook in, (For us new with the DB) can you re post vid?
thanx man.

Haha, no trick editing or conspiracy.
The footage wasn't that good so I just wanted it to be short and sweet.

To hook back in (for this video), use your right hand to reach up and pull the chicken loop down and into your harness. I'll try and remember to add a clip of this next vid. Practice this skill on the beach in light wind if you want. Pretty easy stuff, you'll get it in no time.

Select to expand quote

KIT33R said..

Wicksy said..

Was wondering what you guys do as a backup for if/ when the rope breaks?
I assume your only option is to self rescue?

I run a second rope through the lower holes as a backup should the primary rope break. The second rope is a tiny bit looser so that it receives no wear.
I don't use the hook, just a shackle that runs along the rope. I clip the shackle to the chicken loop. No bungy cord needed.
The shackle allows for easy spinning.
The safety line is attached to the shackle via a small U bolt, just above the openning pin, and spins with the chicken loop so no tangles.

The snap shackle is a great idea, but be careful which brand you use. I've had a couple straighten under load and fail while sailing. The Wichard brand snap shackles are forged and meet their load rating. They also have a little "w" mark on the side so you can identify them from the cheap nasty ones. They are a bit exxie, but worth the money. The release mechanism also works under load when needed.

Select to expand quote

Mark50 said..

surfingboye said..

koshi said...
Hey surfboye, why the jump cuts in the editing? is that a fault in the video? wanna see the way you hook in, (For us new with the DB) can you re post vid?
thanx man.

Haha, no trick editing or conspiracy.
The footage wasn't that good so I just wanted it to be short and sweet.

To hook back in (for this video), use your right hand to reach up and pull the chicken loop down and into your harness. I'll try and remember to add a clip of this next vid. Practice this skill on the beach in light wind if you want. Pretty easy stuff, you'll get it in no time.

KIT33R said..

Wicksy said..

Was wondering what you guys do as a backup for if/ when the rope breaks?
I assume your only option is to self rescue?

I run a second rope through the lower holes as a backup should the primary rope break. The second rope is a tiny bit looser so that it receives no wear.
I don't use the hook, just a shackle that runs along the rope. I clip the shackle to the chicken loop. No bungy cord needed.
The shackle allows for easy spinning.
The safety line is attached to the shackle via a small U bolt, just above the openning pin, and spins with the chicken loop so no tangles.

The snap shackle is a great idea, but be careful which brand you use. I've had a couple straighten under load and fail while sailing. The Wichard brand snap shackles are forged and meet their load rating. They also have a little "w" mark on the side so you can identify them from the cheap nasty ones. They are a bit exxie, but worth the money. The release mechanism also works under load when needed.

Drilling a hole through the Wichard where the W is with a 3.2mm cobalt drill and fitting an A4 stainless 3mm by 20mm split pin through it would give somewhere to attach a kite leash that would spin with the powerline.

Select to expand quote

KIT33R said..

Wicksy said..

Was wondering what you guys do as a backup for if/ when the rope breaks?
I assume your only option is to self rescue?

I run a second rope through the lower holes as a backup should the primary rope break. The second rope is a tiny bit looser so that it receives no wear.
I don't use the hook, just a shackle that runs along the rope. I clip the shackle to the chicken loop. No bungy cord needed.
The shackle allows for easy spinning.
The safety line is attached to the shackle via a small U bolt, just above the openning pin, and spins with the chicken loop so no tangles.

KIT33R,

Am I correct in my understanding that you don't use a roller, you just run the rope straight through the shackle loop? If so, doesn't this accelerate wear on the rope? Does it slide as easily as with the roller? How often do you replace your rope?

Second 'safety' rope is a great idea! I will equip mine with this tonight.

Dave

Select to expand quote

pearl said..

Wicksy said..

Thanks Pearl

But I'm assuming that when the rope breaks you will lose the sliding hook, and therefore have nothing left to attached the chicken loop to.
So how do you get back to shore, other than by self rescuing?

If the rope breaks with my set-up the hook ends up left on the chicken loop and kite is still attached via safety. Just have to fly in unhooked. To ditch the lot you have to pull safety as well. If you attach your safety with ring on rope, as they suggest; you will lose the lot if the roper breaks. Also worth checking the position of the pin thats on the other end of the red ball release. It can move over time and let the rope release.
I use the large 13" dynabar and have no digging or hip burn issues. 32" waist. They work best with the most structured supportive harness you can fit into with a large space between adjustment straps. Twin adjustment straps work better than the single.

As Pearl says "Also worth checking the position of the pin thats on the other end of the red ball release. It can move over time and let the rope release."


This happened to me and could have been a disaster if I was out at sea or something..... basically the quick release pin must have moved a fraction (I had no red ball).

I was slightly overpowered when the rope released as a big gust hit and I was changing direction - BANG - I saw the roller / hook flying downwind (about 30m) - never to be seen again!

My kite flagged out on the safety and I managed to relaunch holding the chicken loop with one hand body dragged in this way.

KITEPOWER fixed it for me - by replacing the pulley / hook and putting the rope back through, attached with with a small stainless steel D shackle - not using the pin release system.

Having a sliding hook is the way to go on a surfboard!

Select to expand quote

Hausey said..

pearl said..

Wicksy said..

Thanks Pearl

But I'm assuming that when the rope breaks you will lose the sliding hook, and therefore have nothing left to attached the chicken loop to.
So how do you get back to shore, other than by self rescuing?

If the rope breaks with my set-up the hook ends up left on the chicken loop and kite is still attached via safety. Just have to fly in unhooked. To ditch the lot you have to pull safety as well. If you attach your safety with ring on rope, as they suggest; you will lose the lot if the roper breaks. Also worth checking the position of the pin thats on the other end of the red ball release. It can move over time and let the rope release.
I use the large 13" dynabar and have no digging or hip burn issues. 32" waist. They work best with the most structured supportive harness you can fit into with a large space between adjustment straps. Twin adjustment straps work better than the single.

As Pearl says "Also worth checking the position of the pin thats on the other end of the red ball release. It can move over time and let the rope release."


This happened to me and could have been a disaster if I was out at sea or something..... basically the quick release pin must have moved a fraction (I had no red ball).

I was slightly overpowered when the rope released as a big gust hit and I was changing direction - BANG - I saw the roller / hook flying downwind (about 30m) - never to be seen again!

My kite flagged out on the safety and I managed to relaunch holding the chicken loop with one hand body dragged in this way.

KITEPOWER fixed it for me - by replacing the pulley / hook and putting the rope back through, attached with with a small stainless steel D shackle - not using the pin release system.

Having a sliding hook is the way to go on a surfboard!

I think Jay should do a video of where exactly to attach it so the pin stays in place. Ryan Cootes does fit it in his video, but it is not shown in detail and it has to be done right to make sure the pin stays in unless you pull it out firmly.

Hi all, can anyone enlighten me to the difference between the V7 & V8 please

Select to expand quote

Subculture said..
Hi guys, I still don't have a Dynabar, but have been doing research into it again in the last couple of weeks..
I watched this excellent video on the V8 just recently. When you all mentioned the same issue with the longer bar, I thought I'd post this for you to see.
The whole video is great IMO. Really informative. He shows so many configurations options as well as the changes to Version 8. I'd watch it all if I were you.
However, the spreader bar 'issue' you are referring to starts at 2:10 in the video. It's not what you'll want to see having already purchased the larger bar but it does explain what you're experiencing, and why.
This product is getting more refined every year, it looks more versatile than ever now.

Select to expand quote

toppleover said..
Hi all, can anyone enlighten me to the difference between the V7 & V8 please

hey Topple, did you check the utube near the start of the forum. seems major change is in quality of construction.