Do Back Lines still go slack on any kites?

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Adfreetv
Adfreetv
VIC
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23 Oct 2009 12:20pm
Do you remember being overpowered on a C kite, digging in your rail for all your worth whilst pushing you bar out so that wouldn't head off down wind like an out of control express train and then you back lines would go slack!!! ? Now the kite was flying overpowered off the front lines with no steering and all you could do was wait and hold your edge until the gust backed off!

Since I moved to bridled kites in 06 I have not had that experience. Does it still exist on the new C, delta or other kites?
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
23 Oct 2009 12:51pm
It still happens on the bridled kites... maybe not to the same extent. Surely you've noticed that it requires more input at the bar to make the same turn when the bar is pushed further out?
Adfreetv
Adfreetv
VIC
114 posts
VIC, 114 posts
23 Oct 2009 1:13pm
I mean both rear lines are slack and no amount of bar movement will have any input.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
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23 Oct 2009 11:02am
Hi Jimmyz,

Adfreetv is talking about the glory days of "real" c-kites. Before most riders of today got into the sport.

Back in the days of the Airush Lift 02, Cabrinha Blacktip 02, North Rhino 02, Naish X2, Wipika Airblast, Wipika Freeair etc.

This type of "C" kite had a maximum useable wind range and above that you got badly teabagged as there wasn't enough depower even when the back lines go fully slack. You handled gusts by edging and keeping the kite really low because as soon as your kite was above 45 degrees, you'd lose your edge and teabag off downwind.

Everyone talks up "C" kites and how cool it is to ride them, but about 5% of all kiters of today know what it is to ride the old true "C" kites.

To answer Adfreetv's question; No none of the kites of today will do that, they pretty much all have decent depower with possible exception of the Hadlow Pro which I hear has little to no depower (just what I hear).

harry potter
harry potter
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2777 posts
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23 Oct 2009 3:48pm
Adfreetv said...

Do you remember being overpowered on a C kite, digging in your rail for all your worth whilst pushing you bar out so that wouldn't head off down wind like an out of control express train and then you back lines would go slack!!! ? Now the kite was flying overpowered off the front lines with no steering and all you could do was wait and hold your edge until the gust backed off!



Nothing a severe BUTT CHECK couldnt fix though

although the thigh and butt bruising was the by product.
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
23 Oct 2009 1:07pm
harry potter said...

Adfreetv said...

Do you remember being overpowered on a C kite, digging in your rail for all your worth whilst pushing you bar out so that wouldn't head off down wind like an out of control express train and then you back lines would go slack!!! ? Now the kite was flying overpowered off the front lines with no steering and all you could do was wait and hold your edge until the gust backed off!



Nothing a severe BUTT CHECK couldnt fix though

although the thigh and butt bruising was the by product.


Don't forget the nut-slap that made you think "Oh, ****, I think I might be sterile or have nut cancer after that one" when you didn't quite hit the butt check right.

getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
23 Oct 2009 1:12pm
I learnt on a Naish Aero (2002 kite) and Airush Flow (2003).

I only just stopped riding my 2005 Yarga Cs (although they are 5th line so i could always pull on the 5th if it got too heavy duty) too so yes I know and love the "DIG THAT KN HEEL IN!!" feeling. The added bonus is my arms are now so long I can scratch my toes withpout leaning over.
axis
axis
VIC
399 posts
VIC, 399 posts
23 Oct 2009 4:16pm
those were tha days. Riding on the edge never knowing when it would blow up and you'd be on a 150m downwind out of control run.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
23 Oct 2009 3:23pm
I still try it now occasionally, pull down the stopper ball on my REV and then try and control the power with edging - it teaches good technique.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
23 Oct 2009 2:46pm
harry potter said...
Nothing a severe BUTT CHECK couldnt fix though

although the thigh and butt bruising was the by product.


not to mention that invigorating salt water enema
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
23 Oct 2009 8:20pm
never mind the kites does any one miss the pickle fork
Adfreetv
Adfreetv
VIC
114 posts
VIC, 114 posts
24 Oct 2009 1:38pm
I never flew two line kites but the first 4 liners ((Airush Flow 2003 my mates) and Airush Flow 2004 my first kite). These were almost worse than two liners as you could always steer a two line kite but a four line with slack back lines was totally uncontrollable and seriously dangerous. Even my 2005 Fuel did this when over powered. When did it stop in "C"s or Fuels?
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
24 Oct 2009 1:13pm
Kitehard said...

Hi Jimmyz,

Adfreetv is talking about the glory days of "real" c-kites. Before most riders of today got into the sport.

Back in the days of the Airush Lift 02, Cabrinha Blacktip 02, North Rhino 02, Naish X2, Wipika Airblast, Wipika Freeair etc.

This type of "C" kite had a maximum useable wind range and above that you got badly teabagged as there wasn't enough depower even when the back lines go fully slack. You handled gusts by edging and keeping the kite really low because as soon as your kite was above 45 degrees, you'd lose your edge and teabag off downwind.

Everyone talks up "C" kites and how cool it is to ride them, but about 5% of all kiters of today know what it is to ride the old true "C" kites.

To answer Adfreetv's question; No none of the kites of today will do that, they pretty much all have decent depower with possible exception of the Hadlow Pro which I hear has little to no depower (just what I hear).




Kitehard, yes, you have got it! I still have a few of these 'classic' kites under the house. Also have a couple of RRD Conv kites (cutting edge kites that were shipped as a two line but could be converted to a 4 line).
The motto of the day was, 'keep the kite low, and go, go, go'

These new fangled bow kites are great to ride, but an occasional 'retro session' on an old 'C' kite is a great way to remember what edging can be about.

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