Hi all,
A bit of an old topic but I here different opinions on tuning your lines. Once you have run out your lines and the are the same length the bar should be touching the chicken loop and others say the bar should be a inch or three fingers width away from the chicken loop??
i know straight out of the box it is tuned with the bar touching the chicken loop. So which one is best?

cheers

google the cabrinha tech tip on youtube that shows you. from memory it is juuuuuust touching and no more then a finger width from not touching

I have the bar either just touching or finger width away.
I have even noticed on this site in the kitesurfing article "Tuning your lines" they have the bar 3 finger width away from the bar.
Just curious which one is the best setting and why?

Hi Mex,

the right way of setting up your bar is as kookaburrahz is saying "touching and no more then a finger width from not touching".

The other setting with "they have the bar 3 finger width away from the bar" will give you a different feel in your kite :
- the sweet spot will be reach early as you pull the bar.
- more turning speed
- bit more power
WARNING : Depending on the kite, your flying skills and the wind conditions, the main consequence of having longer front line will be that the kite is BACKSTALLING. This is what you want to avoid when tuning your line/kite connection.

SOLUTION : I would tune the line as per specification with not more than a finger width from not touching. Then I would put the kite in the air on a light wind day, bring the kite at 12 oclock and pull the bar in. See if the kite is backstalling or not. If the kite is backstalling then adjust the knot on the kite connection, dont touch the bar anymore.

Hope this will help tuning your line.
Remember after tuning always try on a light wind day and avoid those big winter fronts.

Good luck

Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Thanks guys, I will leave it where I have tuned it. Finger width away.

I have gone the way of 3 figures between chicken loop and bar.

Why?. Gives you the option of extra grunt and lift if you want it. Simply trim at the trim strap a couple inches and your back to factory settings.

PS I'm flying ozone.

I tune with the bar against the chicken loop. The one finger away thing and other tricky things are BS. It is not possible to tune the lines that accurately unless you start messing around with fixed points, constant weights and pulleys. Even then, you won't know if the bridles have stretched so all your super accurate tuning is a bit pointless.

In reality you tune the bar and lines until they look right as part of basic periodic maintenance (maybe once or twice a year at most).

On a daily basis you tune your rig to your taste and the conditions by choosing the desired attachment knots to suit the conditions. On the water you constantly re-tune by pulling the trimmer and moving the bar in and out as conditions demand.

Learn to feel how a kite feels when it is flying correctly and don't worry about irrelevant static rules.

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Loftywinds said...
Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Those who red thumbed me, have any better suggestions? What? You think all lines on all bars have to equal distant? LOL. Yes the steering lines have to be even, and so do the depower lines, but not both. Go out there and mix bars with different kites and see.

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Loftywinds said...

Loftywinds said...
Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Those who red thumbed me, have any better suggestions? What? You think all lines on all bars have to equal distant? LOL. Yes the steering lines have to be even, and so do the depower lines, but not both. Go out there and mix bars with different kites and see.

Yes Lofter, I red thumbed you as I do most of your posts (that I see). I find it hard to fathom why someone asking for help in the Newbie section is giving out advice in another...?

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly. Cant speak for other brands of kites except Cab switchys. Had a set of 2012's and got rid of them after about 5 sessions cause they required too much rider input to have the thing stay where I wanted. Both are 4 line kites. I can't count to 5 so that's why I only run the 4s.

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remo81 said...

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly.

Then you potentially have an underpowered, underperforming kite.

Ozone's out of the bag at set up is bar against chicken loop. Most of them fly better when trimmed to the 3 finger setting. More power, lift, more instant turning. (i can only comment on the edge,c4,cat and reo that I fly!)

Also if you fly your kite from the "out of the bag setting" for some time yourl get line stretch and which will give you less power/lift than factory.

If you think its still flying the same as it used to after a year or 3 use your wrong. Yourve just gotten used to the kites slowly reducing performance. Tune the lines and note the performance change.


All lines need adjustment after a while regardless of brand.

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remo81 said...

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly.

Then you potentially have an underpowered, underperforming kite.

Ozone's out of the bag at set up is bar against chicken loop. Most of them fly better when trimmed to the 3 finger setting. More power, lift, more instant turning. (i can only comment on the edge,c4,cat and reo that I fly!)

Also if you fly your kite from the "out of the bag setting" for some time yourl get line stretch and which will give you less power/lift than factory.

If you think its still flying the same as it used to after a year or 3 use your wrong. Yourve just gotten used to the kites slowly reducing performance. Tune the lines and note the performance change.


All lines need adjustment after a while regardless of brand.

Good point CuZZ.

I get new kites every year so I have never noticed line stretch. My lines still look close to new when I sell my dragged accross the rocks kite to someone that thinks there getting a good deal. I would never use a kite older than 12 months. Too much chance of something going wrong and having to swim home.

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Loftywinds said...

Loftywinds said...
Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Those who red thumbed me, have any better suggestions? What? You think all lines on all bars have to equal distant? LOL. Yes the steering lines have to be even, and so do the depower lines, but not both. Go out there and mix bars with different kites and see.

Yes Lofter, I red thumbed you as I do most of your posts (that I see). I find it hard to fathom why someone asking for help in the Newbie section is giving out advice in another...?

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly. Cant speak for other brands of kites except Cab switchys. Had a set of 2012's and got rid of them after about 5 sessions cause they required too much rider input to have the thing stay where I wanted. Both are 4 line kites. I can't count to 5 so that's why I only run the 4s.

If you look up to the top of this thread you will notice that the original post was put up in General, not Newbie. Open your eyes man!

And how do you tune anything by hooking the lines to the kite? YOu mean to tell me, you simply fly the kite and adjust the lines whilst the kite is in the air? Wow. That is impressive if you can manage it without the kite rolling or spiraling out of control.

I too have a Cab Switchy and depending on model/year, the lines have to ALL be the same length as per the Cab videos mentioned numerous times on these forums. With the IDS lines though, I think they are not all the same length.

I've tuned RRD, Cabs and Fluid kites, plus foil kites including Flysurfers (using mixertest) and HQ Montana kites, and one Peter Lynn Phantom. Believe me, I know lines and tuning them. And they all require different techniques. The Cab Switchblade and the Fluid kites are the same. The RRD requires the steering lines to be shorter, and so do the Naish 5th line kites.

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remo81 said...

Plummet said...

remo81 said...

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly.

Then you potentially have an underpowered, underperforming kite.

Ozone's out of the bag at set up is bar against chicken loop. Most of them fly better when trimmed to the 3 finger setting. More power, lift, more instant turning. (i can only comment on the edge,c4,cat and reo that I fly!)

Also if you fly your kite from the "out of the bag setting" for some time yourl get line stretch and which will give you less power/lift than factory.

If you think its still flying the same as it used to after a year or 3 use your wrong. Yourve just gotten used to the kites slowly reducing performance. Tune the lines and note the performance change.


All lines need adjustment after a while regardless of brand.

Good point CuZZ.

I get new kites every year so I have never noticed line stretch. My lines still look close to new when I sell my dragged accross the rocks kite to someone that thinks there getting a good deal. I would never use a kite older than 12 months. Too much chance of something going wrong and having to swim home.

So in other words, you have no idea what we're talking about here do you?

Tuning lines does not mean trim adjustments whilst the kite is in the air.

LMAO

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Loftywinds said...

remo81 said...

Loftywinds said...

Loftywinds said...
Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Those who red thumbed me, have any better suggestions? What? You think all lines on all bars have to equal distant? LOL. Yes the steering lines have to be even, and so do the depower lines, but not both. Go out there and mix bars with different kites and see.

Yes Lofter, I red thumbed you as I do most of your posts (that I see). I find it hard to fathom why someone asking for help in the Newbie section is giving out advice in another...?

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly. Cant speak for other brands of kites except Cab switchys. Had a set of 2012's and got rid of them after about 5 sessions cause they required too much rider input to have the thing stay where I wanted. Both are 4 line kites. I can't count to 5 so that's why I only run the 4s.

If you look up to the top of this thread you will notice that the original post was put up in General, not Newbie. Open your eyes man!

And how do you tune anything by hooking the lines to the kite? YOu mean to tell me, you simply fly the kite and adjust the lines whilst the kite is in the air? Wow. That is impressive if you can manage it without the kite rolling or spiraling out of control.

I too have a Cab Switchy and depending on model/year, the lines have to ALL be the same length as per the Cab videos mentioned numerous times on these forums. With the IDS lines though, I think they are not all the same length.

I've tuned RRD, Cabs and Fluid kites, plus foil kites including Flysurfers (using mixertest) and HQ Montana kites, and one Peter Lynn Phantom. Believe me, I know lines and tuning them. And they all require different techniques. The Cab Switchblade and the Fluid kites are the same. The RRD requires the steering lines to be shorter, and so do the Naish 5th line kites.

Hey Lofter,

Here is the link to your Newbie post. Obviously you have forgotten about this. And don't PM me having a winge again.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/I-suck-in-light-winds-help-me/

I hook my lines on my cat and go. Easy as that champ. The thing just sits there no need to hold the bar. Not talking about the depower strap. That is only for skirts, which is why I like to refer to it as the skirt strap, but in your honor I will now refer to it as the ''Loftywinds Cord''.

Agreed!! From now on I will call my Depower aka skirt strap, the Lofty winds cord. Is this because he is a skirt?

What does he PM you about?

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remo81 said...

Loftywinds said...

remo81 said...

Loftywinds said...

Loftywinds said...
Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Those who red thumbed me, have any better suggestions? What? You think all lines on all bars have to equal distant? LOL. Yes the steering lines have to be even, and so do the depower lines, but not both. Go out there and mix bars with different kites and see.

Yes Lofter, I red thumbed you as I do most of your posts (that I see). I find it hard to fathom why someone asking for help in the Newbie section is giving out advice in another...?

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly. Cant speak for other brands of kites except Cab switchys. Had a set of 2012's and got rid of them after about 5 sessions cause they required too much rider input to have the thing stay where I wanted. Both are 4 line kites. I can't count to 5 so that's why I only run the 4s.

If you look up to the top of this thread you will notice that the original post was put up in General, not Newbie. Open your eyes man!

And how do you tune anything by hooking the lines to the kite? YOu mean to tell me, you simply fly the kite and adjust the lines whilst the kite is in the air? Wow. That is impressive if you can manage it without the kite rolling or spiraling out of control.

I too have a Cab Switchy and depending on model/year, the lines have to ALL be the same length as per the Cab videos mentioned numerous times on these forums. With the IDS lines though, I think they are not all the same length.

I've tuned RRD, Cabs and Fluid kites, plus foil kites including Flysurfers (using mixertest) and HQ Montana kites, and one Peter Lynn Phantom. Believe me, I know lines and tuning them. And they all require different techniques. The Cab Switchblade and the Fluid kites are the same. The RRD requires the steering lines to be shorter, and so do the Naish 5th line kites.

Hey Lofter,

Here is the link to your Newbie post. Obviously you have forgotten about this. And don't PM me having a winge again.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/I-suck-in-light-winds-help-me/

I hook my lines on my cat and go. Easy as that champ. The thing just sits there no need to hold the bar. Not talking about the depower strap. That is only for skirts, which is why I like to refer to it as the skirt strap, but in your honor I will now refer to it as the ''Loftywinds Cord''.

Remo, weemo. Tisk tisk tisk. Didn't your mom remove your umbilical chord at birth? No wonder you're confused.

Light wind issues and lines have nothing to do with that post. I can assure you my kites are all perfectly tuned.

The issue I am having (if you read the thread properly), is about technique and board size.

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Loftywinds said...
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Light wind issues and lines have nothing to do with that post. I can assure you my kites are all perfectly tuned.

...

Just looking at your other posts and your profile it looks like you know 3/10 of f.ckall about kites and kiting. The kiting world is full of people with all the gear, but no idea.

If you know your kites are perfectly tuned, and you have the skill and knowledge and intellect to do that properly, then you should know how to ride in light winds. It's easy enough to do.

Hey Gorgo,

Lofty is right up to date with the 2007 Cab Switchies. He tunes his 7 year old lines and spends most of his spare time at the kite repair shop.

I myself don't pretend to know much. All I know is that my kites are set and forget, until the next years kites come out. Unless a squall comes through and I have to pull on the "Lofty Strap"...

Anyway back to the topic!
I asked this question just to see if there is a difference but I always have the bar touching the chicken loop but I recommend tuning your bar and lines once you have replaced a Depower line or any steering/front lines.
I have replaced a fair few Depower lines over the years especially with 2011 North bar and just replaced the Depower/ front line set on a 2013 North quad bar. The new Depower line won't always be the same length, they are suppose to be the one length but they do get it wrong in the factory, for example the new one I received just recently was 4 inches shorter than the old one and when I installed it the throw was way too short. Sent it back and got another one and that one was 2 inches longer than the original, if anything you expect the original to be longer after a good year of use, so extended the steering lines and shortened the Depower line to tune the bar.
Dont know what the other brands are like with this but if you own a North I highly recommend you check the line lengths once you have replaced a Depower line.

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Loftywinds said...

remo81 said...

Loftywinds said...

remo81 said...

Loftywinds said...

Loftywinds said...
Tuning lines is a bit of a skill and an art in terms of understanding wind dynamics and the characteristics of your kite.
Not all kites require the lines to be equal, especially 5th line kites.
The crucial factor in tuning lines is to have the (de)power lines correctly adjusted and even.
The steering lines less so and are only to give you control of the kite for quick moves of the kite as so desired.
If the steering lines are too long, you lose control of your kite, and sometimes I've seen guys pull on the line itself to get that kite to turn!
That is why the steering lines have to be a tad shorter than the harness lines (as I call them).
But if they are too short, the kite can also behave erratically due to the "sudden" sensitivity of the bar and bar pressure.
Importantly, AOA (angle of attack) has to be maintained and at Zenith has to be parallel with the ocean/ground.
Too much harness line and the AOA is always allowing the kite to fall into the power zone.
Too little and the kite tends to go behind you.
And again it depends on the kite itself and design.
Best to seek professional advice from your retailer or supplier for the correct bar/line adjustments required.

Those who red thumbed me, have any better suggestions? What? You think all lines on all bars have to equal distant? LOL. Yes the steering lines have to be even, and so do the depower lines, but not both. Go out there and mix bars with different kites and see.

Yes Lofter, I red thumbed you as I do most of your posts (that I see). I find it hard to fathom why someone asking for help in the Newbie section is giving out advice in another...?

I run Ozone Cats. Tuning the lines for me consists of hooking the lines up to the kite. Thats it. The thing just sits in the air perfectly. Cant speak for other brands of kites except Cab switchys. Had a set of 2012's and got rid of them after about 5 sessions cause they required too much rider input to have the thing stay where I wanted. Both are 4 line kites. I can't count to 5 so that's why I only run the 4s.

If you look up to the top of this thread you will notice that the original post was put up in General, not Newbie. Open your eyes man!

And how do you tune anything by hooking the lines to the kite? YOu mean to tell me, you simply fly the kite and adjust the lines whilst the kite is in the air? Wow. That is impressive if you can manage it without the kite rolling or spiraling out of control.

I too have a Cab Switchy and depending on model/year, the lines have to ALL be the same length as per the Cab videos mentioned numerous times on these forums. With the IDS lines though, I think they are not all the same length.

I've tuned RRD, Cabs and Fluid kites, plus foil kites including Flysurfers (using mixertest) and HQ Montana kites, and one Peter Lynn Phantom. Believe me, I know lines and tuning them. And they all require different techniques. The Cab Switchblade and the Fluid kites are the same. The RRD requires the steering lines to be shorter, and so do the Naish 5th line kites.

Hey Lofter,

Here is the link to your Newbie post. Obviously you have forgotten about this. And don't PM me having a winge again.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/I-suck-in-light-winds-help-me/

I hook my lines on my cat and go. Easy as that champ. The thing just sits there no need to hold the bar. Not talking about the depower strap. That is only for skirts, which is why I like to refer to it as the skirt strap, but in your honor I will now refer to it as the ''Loftywinds Cord''.

Remo, weemo. Tisk tisk tisk. Didn't your mom remove your umbilical chord at birth? No wonder you're confused.

Light wind issues and lines have nothing to do with that post. I can assure you my kites are all perfectly tuned.

The issue I am having (if you read the thread properly), is about technique and board size.

Nooooooobbb.....

LMAO

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Gorgo said...

Loftywinds said...
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Light wind issues and lines have nothing to do with that post. I can assure you my kites are all perfectly tuned.

...

Just looking at your other posts and your profile it looks like you know 3/10 of f.ckall about kites and kiting. The kiting world is full of people with all the gear, but no idea.

If you know your kites are perfectly tuned, and you have the skill and knowledge and intellect to do that properly, then you should know how to ride in light winds. It's easy enough to do.

Gorgo has spoken!!! ALL HAIL GORGO!

Yeah what ever Gonzo.

Vast majority if kites are designed to for equal length kite lines, bar at the CL. It's a good reference point to start with then tune to your tastes from there, if you don't want to use the pigtails at the kite.

We all know lines shrink or stretch... seems a bit odd to me that you wouldn't check on the wear and tear of your gear, unless you're not doing a lot of riding... or don't really notice a poorly tuned kite.

Of course not Kami. If you have a silver spoon up your butt, you can change your kites over every year and never have to tune your lines. Gee.. Why wait once a year? Why not change over your kites every month!?
It's so simple, I cannot believe I've not done it myself. Do you have a spare silver spoon I can shove up there?

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Of course not Kami. If you have a silver spoon up your butt, you can change your kites over every year and never have to tune your lines. Gee.. Why wait once a year? Why not change over your kites every month!?
It's so simple, I cannot believe I've not done it myself. Do you have a spare silver spoon I can shove up there?

Hey there little Lofter,

Silver spoons in mouths or up an ass has nothing to do with it. I'm sure that you have a job. So all you need to do is use some of the money that you get paid from this job to buy a new kite. Or are you on Tony Abbotts kiting team. I hear that they are running 2007 Cab Switchies??

If not, I apologise for the dole joke. If you do have a job and need some spare cash, just put down the bong dude. The money that you save from not smoking up all the time could be spent on a silver spoon?? If you are on the rock though I here that it is hard to get off, so I wish you the best of luck with it. Meanwhile can't wait for the 2015 Cats to come out. Only got to use my 2014s about 15 times this season. (Broken ankle)

Even a dozen sessions can see the state of tune change... Trim it out until it gets too bad.

Takes only a few minutes to do so I don't know why you wouldn't bother...

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Loftywinds said...
Of course not Kami. If you have a silver spoon up your butt, you can change your kites over every year and never have to tune your lines. Gee.. Why wait once a year? Why not change over your kites every month!?
It's so simple, I cannot believe I've not done it myself. Do you have a spare silver spoon I can shove up there?

Hey there little Lofter,

Silver spoons in mouths or up an ass has nothing to do with it. I'm sure that you have a job. So all you need to do is use some of the money that you get paid from this job to buy a new kite. Or are you on Tony Abbotts kiting team. I hear that they are running 2007 Cab Switchies??

If not, I apologise for the dole joke. If you do have a job and need some spare cash, just put down the bong dude. The money that you save from not smoking up all the time could be spent on a silver spoon?? If you are on the rock though I here that it is hard to get off, so I wish you the best of luck with it. Meanwhile can't wait for the 2015 Cats to come out. Only got to use my 2014s about 15 times this season. (Broken ankle)

LMAO

I actually green thumbed this.