Someone said something about Nationals in Melbourne in Feb. Is that on? Also there was talk of Match/Teams racing which would be great.

Also apart from Townsville, are any other Aussie events going to start allowing foiling boards in competitions scored separately. I know the NSW State Titles/Kitepower races will allow foiling. It will boost numbers in the kite racing scene.

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jordangirdis said..
I know the NSW State Titles/Kitepower races will allow foiling. It will boost numbers in the kite racing scene.

You really think so!
Is there anyone wishing to race a foil board that doesnt currently race a formula board?
If we have about 8 regulars turn up for formula kite
Then if three of those 8 decide to go with foils it actually reduces the number in the fleet of the same type.

I know if there was only 5 regulars on a formula board I would be thinking twice about making the 2hr trip to Sydney every second Saturday.


KBR got bigger when they bought in the box rule, most people arent interested in buying gear that is out of date in six months.
Sure you can make you own, but only a smaller number would wish to do this.

Kite Foil boarding should and will remain a development class for some time and that generally means smaller numbers of people doing it who are dedicated to the class.

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wdric said..

jordangirdis said..
I know the NSW State Titles/Kitepower races will allow foiling. It will boost numbers in the kite racing scene.

You really think so!
Is there anyone wishing to race a foil board that doesnt currently race a formula board?
If we have about 8 regulars turn up for formula kite
Then if three of those 8 decide to go with foils it actually reduces the number in the fleet of the same type.

I know if there was only 5 regulars on a formula board I would be thinking twice about making the 2hr trip to Sydney every second Saturday.


KBR got bigger when they bought in the box rule, most people aren't interested in buying gear that is out of date in six months.
Sure you can make you own, but only a smaller number would wish to do this.

Kite Foil boarding should and will remain a development class for some time and that generally means smaller numbers of people doing it who are dedicated to the class.

A development class yes but Foil Racing will definitely gain momentum as it has serious advantages over formula KBR. Speed, ease of use, portability, kite size, wind range....

I still do agree that Formula kite racing is way more accessible but after spending a lot of time on the foils it is hard to fault.

There is one other guy in sydney foiling who isn't race boarding. More will follow if foils are easier to ride and cheap. Don't see many non-foiling moths these days!

I am saying this all having never foil raced

@ jordangirdis just a couple of thoughts:

1. Wind range for Formula boards is 6 to 35 knots, yes?

Just curious when you say wind range for a Kite Foil for racing is better, haven't seen or heard of many people foil racing in over 20 knots?

2. Cost wise, a set of fins for a formula board is approximately $700 landed, what's the cost of a foil landed? $3,000?

as @ wdric has said, the attraction of the Formula Kite class is variety of manufactured product already proven, established national and international competitions, there already appears to be the widest wind range achievable and the cost is reasonable compared to KIte Foil at this point IMO.

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MOWIT said..

@ jordangirdis just a couple of thoughts:

1. Wind range for Formula boards is 6 to 35 knots, yes?

Just curious when you say wind range for a Kite Foil for racing is better, haven't seen or heard of many people foil racing in over 20 knots?

2. Cost wise, a set of fins for a formula board is approximately $700 landed, what's the cost of a foil landed? $3,000?

as @ wdric has said, the attraction of the Formula Kite class is variety of manufactured product already proven, established national and international competitions, there already appears to be the widest wind range achievable and the cost is reasonable compared to KIte Foil at this point IMO.

Im not trying to make it a formula vs foiling debate - I like both, and I will still be at all the formula events. You can however go out in lighter winds on a foil. Foiling in above 20 knots no problems. Yes I agree it is still expensive, however a foil would cost about the same as a new raceboard with fins

I think it would be worthwhile just growing the sport a little though parallel scoring at events. It took us Aussies a few years to get into formula so we were already years behind. I just don't want to be so far behind again. Plus it's something new, exciting, and a chance to get the same feeling we all got the first time we jumped on a course board all over again.

So does anyone have any info about nationals???

My board is stuffed after being left in the car in the sun and delaminating.. Considering turning it into a box rule compliant foil board... Just need some time to build the less than 50cm foil concept I've been thinking of so it's still in the box rule... Who says that formula and foil can't be the same???

@ Patto1987

Wicked someone looking at repurposing a Formula Board. Are you saying the 50 cm for foil mast/strut & wing length or something else like the width of the board?

2014 Formula Kite Rules: http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/formula-kite-class-rules

2014 KiteFoil Rules: www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/foil-class-rules

Are you mod'ing the board to fit the open class KiteFoil class minimum board width, or repairing the board and then replacing the Formula Kite Board fins to a 50cm with a foil combination to fit under the max. fin length?

Love to hear your thoughts

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MOWIT said...
@ Patto1987

Wicked someone looking at repurposing a Formula Board. Are you saying the 50 cm for foil mast/strut & wing length or something else like the width of the board?

2014 Formula Kite Rules: http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/formula-kite-class-rules

2014 KiteFoil Rules: www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/foil-class-rules

Are you mod'ing the board to fit the open class KiteFoil class minimum board width, or repairing the board and then replacing the Formula Kite Board fins to a 50cm with a foil combination to fit under the max. fin length?

Love to hear your thoughts

Was going to try and make it all fit under 50cm which is the max fin length.. Going for a different concept than the current t foil setup.. No idea if it will work or if I even have the skill to try and build it..

@ Patto1987

Okay, I think from what you're saying is, leave the Board in the "Box Rule" for Formula Kite board only focus on the thruster fin structure and what can be done up to 50 cm max. below the bottom of the board

Last time I tried to float an idea like this I got the "Titanic" response from Kite forum folk, including one would assume the French foil guys When you consider the French guys have been at this for over 4 years, well

My thoughts FWIW were, Think: "self adjusting thruster version of an AC72":

1. If you try to only use a 45 cm mast/strut the chop will cause you to board slap on the top of the chop, whilst your foil is in the trough, last thing you want is the foiling fins to vent, then spin out. Ok, if the chop is less than say 40 cm wave face height, move to next point:

2. If you went with 2 "L shaped" foils on the front of a tri-fin set up with both toe inwards and a T style rear foil/fin in the rear, once heading up wind the leeward fin would vent once the board is healed to windward, this might make it very unstable, don't know

3. Ran this past a naval architect and got a " What The ", if you used:
(a) Front foil/fins, Vertical mast Symmetrical fin profile, then joined via a large L bracket to a horizontal Asymmetrical fin with a self adjusting rear tab.
(b) Rear foil/fin, again a symetrical Mast/strut/vertical fin attached to a moth type base with self adjusting tabs on either side.

4. Now I hit the wall and was left with a massive headache do you use only G10 or G11 glass? G10 or 11 combined with Aluminium NACA section, G10 + repurposed moth foil, or G10 core with carbon outer as a composite or 3 fully custom NACA Alloy section foils/fins

For curiosity, someone out there on SB may have a handle on a solution

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So does anyone have any info about nationals???

There was talk of a nationals for Formula kite being at Brighton, vic some time in February, but I believe the proposal has been in the hands of aksa for some time and most likely an answer will be to late for the club to organise anything this season, so probly nothing in the first half of this year unless there is something else in the works.
In April this year brisbane were keen on hosting a nationals also, so who knows there maybe a couple of proposals in the pipe line and somebody is figuring out which one, only time will tell, I dont think there are any racers that know anymore than that

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wdric said..

jordangirdis said..
I know the NSW State Titles/Kitepower races will allow foiling. It will boost numbers in the kite racing scene.

You really think so!
Is there anyone wishing to race a foil board that doesnt currently race a formula board?
If we have about 8 regulars turn up for formula kite
Then if three of those 8 decide to go with foils it actually reduces the number in the fleet of the same type.

I know if there was only 5 regulars on a formula board I would be thinking twice about making the 2hr trip to Sydney every second Saturday.


KBR got bigger when they bought in the box rule, most people arent interested in buying gear that is out of date in six months.
Sure you can make you own, but only a smaller number would wish to do this.

Kite Foil boarding should and will remain a development class for some time and that generally means smaller numbers of people doing it who are dedicated to the class.

@ wdric can I ask a simple question that you may know the answer too?

It appears that Melbourne have yacht clubs wishing to host and accept Formula Kite Racing into them as does Perth, Brisbane & Townsville. Other than the guys on Lake Macquarie at the Amateur Windsurfing Club, is there any other AYF / NSWYA clubs supporting Formula Kite Racing?

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MOWIT said...
@ Patto1987

Okay, I think from what you're saying is, leave the Board in the "Box Rule" for Formula Kite board only focus on the thruster fin structure and what can be done up to 50 cm max. below the bottom of the board

Last time I tried to float an idea like this I got the "Titanic" response from Kite forum folk, including one would assume the French foil guys When you consider the French guys have been at this for over 4 years, well

My thoughts FWIW were, Think: "self adjusting thruster version of an AC72":

1. If you try to only use a 45 cm mast/strut the chop will cause you to board slap on the top of the chop, whilst your foil is in the trough, last thing you want is the foiling fins to vent, then spin out. Ok, if the chop is less than say 40 cm wave face height, move to next point:

2. If you went with 2 "L shaped" foils on the front of a tri-fin set up with both toe inwards and a T style rear foil/fin in the rear, once heading up wind the leeward fin would vent once the board is healed to windward, this might make it very unstable, don't know

3. Ran this past a naval architect and got a " What The ", if you used:
(a) Front foil/fins, Vertical mast Symmetrical fin profile, then joined via a large L bracket to a horizontal Asymmetrical fin with a self adjusting rear tab.
(b) Rear foil/fin, again a symetrical Mast/strut/vertical fin attached to a moth type base with self adjusting tabs on either side.

4. Now I hit the wall and was left with a massive headache do you use only G10 or G11 glass? G10 or 11 combined with Aluminium NACA section, G10 + repurposed moth foil, or G10 core with carbon outer as a composite or 3 fully custom NACA Alloy section foils/fins

For curiosity, someone out there on SB may have a handle on a solution

It's kinda not like a j foil the ac72s used and definitely not like slapping foils on the base of the current fins.. I know the ride height may not be high enough.. But it's just an idea I want to try that I haven't seen yet.. (And I have a bit of free dreaming time at work atm)

it's more than likely to epically fail but it will be fun doing it... And a much better use than throwing my now stuffed board on the rubbish pile

I was planning on using timber as I'm too lazy to use carbon etc on a test.... Timber is easy and if it breaks then bunnings is only down the road to get more wood for V2

No matter what you try, Go for it and remember "Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained"

if you get a chance to record the "tests" maybe everyone would love to Critique?

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MOWIT said...
@ Patto1987

Wicked someone looking at repurposing a Formula Board. Are you saying the 50 cm for foil mast/strut & wing length or something else like the width of the board?

2014 Formula Kite Rules: http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/formula-kite-class-rules

2014 KiteFoil Rules: www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/foil-class-rules

Are you mod'ing the board to fit the open class KiteFoil class minimum board width, or repairing the board and then replacing the Formula Kite Board fins to a 50cm with a foil combination to fit under the max. fin length?

Love to hear your thoughts

Was going to try and make it all fit under 50cm which is the max fin length.. Going for a different concept than the current t foil setup.. No idea if it will work or if I even have the skill to try and build it..

Working on the same thing :) but be careful as you are not allowed any "hull appendages", but you are allowed "any fins". You can't modify the board in any way either.

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jordangirdis said...

patto1987 said..

MOWIT said...
@ Patto1987

Wicked someone looking at repurposing a Formula Board. Are you saying the 50 cm for foil mast/strut & wing length or something else like the width of the board?

2014 Formula Kite Rules: http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/formula-kite-class-rules

2014 KiteFoil Rules: www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/foil-class-rules

Are you mod'ing the board to fit the open class KiteFoil class minimum board width, or repairing the board and then replacing the Formula Kite Board fins to a 50cm with a foil combination to fit under the max. fin length?

Love to hear your thoughts

Was going to try and make it all fit under 50cm which is the max fin length.. Going for a different concept than the current t foil setup.. No idea if it will work or if I even have the skill to try and build it..

Working on the same thing :) but be careful as you are not allowed any "hull appendages", but you are allowed "any fins". You can't modify the board in any way either.

So the hull appendages rules out putting some wings on the board and getting rid of the foil all together..

Haven't gone into it much or contacted the patent owner, but perhaps looking at these fins for the front at the right length, shape and stiffness may work:

http://www.foilzfins.com/shop/product/item29109/-foilz-f5-set-of-2--l---r-----free-wax-.html

and thinking laterally, perhaps joining two at the rear to make a split rear fin look (think "Y" shape)

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MOWIT said..

@ wdric can I ask a simple question that you may know the answer too?

It appears that Melbourne have yacht clubs wishing to host and accept Formula Kite Racing into them as does Perth, Brisbane & Townsville. Other than the guys on Lake Macquarie at the Amateur Windsurfing Club, is there any other AYF / NSWYA clubs supporting Formula Kite Racing?

The simple answer is not really.

But contrary to what many may think Kite racing is still very small at a local level anywhere in this country, and probly the world, but it is in it's early stages so it is to be expected and has probly prospered more than any other class in such a short time, largely with some help from a failed olympics bid.

Melbourne, perth and Sydney each probly have about a dozen regular kite racers on a good day.
In Melbourne it is kiters that have gone to clubs and with a lot of effort and perseverance convinced these two club to give it a shot with regular racing, If support dwindles then the clubs will loose interest and regular racing will cease.
One club has also included it into its annual regatta.

Perth clubs are the same, and it is kiters that have instigating the racing.
These guys are also lucky that people in high places over there believe kiting will rise to greater heights in the sailing world and are backing it more than anywhere else in the world ATM, good to see some forward thinking from the old fellas

Brisbane would like to but there are simply not enough numbers to run regular races so they have at least included Kiting into their annual regatta, this will be in the hope it does gain in popularity and they can get some regular members out of it.

Sydney is not a club, but club involvement would be welcomed.
Currently the racing is run by Kitepower, this is not a money making exercise when you consider they give up basically 6 saturdays a summer and offer very good prizes.

Lake macquarie.
We only have 3 or 4 regulars and we tag our racing on the back of what the winsdsurfers already do.
It is more practice actually as we dont keep track of who places were and keep it simple.

Townsville does not have regular racing as the numbers are not big enough.
But do include it in their annual regatta.

The clubs that include us in their annual regattas are lucky there is a couple of dozen super keen for racing and the fact we do support these events as we can take our gear on a plane.

The other thing to consider is there would be lucky to be 5% of sailing and yacht clubs that are in kite friendly locations, so even if a club wants to there are some logistics that most likely make it impossible
As an example there are about 12 yacht and sailing clubs on Lake Macquarie, but when you take into consideration launching your kite in lots of wind directions, trees, jetty's moored boats etc it rules out all but one as favorable 90% of the time and we still cant launch there in all wind directions and need to travel about 8min from the club to the other side of the bay.

@ wdric Thanks for that and letting everyone know where things are up to.

From a Sydney perspective, I suppose the attraction of racing could grow even faster and further when people who ride twin tips and surfboards see that events organised and run by Kitepower also cater for them as well, not just the formula and now foil guys. They don't have to go out and get the "latest and greatest gear" to have a bit of fun racing their mates, well done Kitepower, great community spirit shown.

After seeing a couple of days racing this year at Botany Bay, how well organised it was and how close the racers were to shore. I personally think it was great for spectators to watch. Coming from a sailing background, this is definitely a great spectator oriented wind sport. Even if you're not into racing, it's well worth having a look in person.

For me, I'm hooked, it looks awesome and can't wait to get racing.

Also for those who may not yet know, from 2014 onwards Twin Tip Racing will have its' own class within the IKA and ISAF for local and national events:

http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php/course-racing/rules/class-rules-rules-regulating-the-equipment/ttr-class-rules

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jordangirdis said..

wdric said..

jordangirdis said..
I know the NSW State Titles/Kitepower races will allow foiling. It will boost numbers in the kite racing scene.

You really think so!
Is there anyone wishing to race a foil board that doesnt currently race a formula board?
If we have about 8 regulars turn up for formula kite
Then if three of those 8 decide to go with foils it actually reduces the number in the fleet of the same type.

I know if there was only 5 regulars on a formula board I would be thinking twice about making the 2hr trip to Sydney every second Saturday.


KBR got bigger when they bought in the box rule, most people aren't interested in buying gear that is out of date in six months.
Sure you can make you own, but only a smaller number would wish to do this.

Kite Foil boarding should and will remain a development class for some time and that generally means smaller numbers of people doing it who are dedicated to the class.

A development class yes but Foil Racing will definitely gain momentum as it has serious advantages over formula KBR. Speed, ease of use, portability, kite size, wind range....

I still do agree that Formula kite racing is way more accessible but after spending a lot of time on the foils it is hard to fault.

There is one other guy in sydney foiling who isn't race boarding. More will follow if foils are easier to ride and cheap. Don't see many non-foiling moths these days!

I am saying this all having never foil raced

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MOWIT said..

@ jordangirdis just a couple of thoughts:

1. Wind range for Formula boards is 6 to 35 knots, yes?

Just curious when you say wind range for a Kite Foil for racing is better, haven't seen or heard of many people foil racing in over 20 knots?

2. Cost wise, a set of fins for a formula board is approximately $700 landed, what's the cost of a foil landed? $3,000?

as @ wdric has said, the attraction of the Formula Kite class is variety of manufactured product already proven, established national and international competitions, there already appears to be the widest wind range achievable and the cost is reasonable compared to KIte Foil at this point IMO.

Im not trying to make it a formula vs foiling debate - I like both, and I will still be at all the formula events. You can however go out in lighter winds on a foil. Foiling in above 20 knots no problems. Yes I agree it is still expensive, however a foil would cost about the same as a new raceboard with fins

I think it would be worthwhile just growing the sport a little though parallel scoring at events. It took us Aussies a few years to get into formula so we were already years behind. I just don't want to be so far behind again. Plus it's something new, exciting, and a chance to get the same feeling we all got the first time we jumped on a course board all over again.

I agree with Jordan. KBR is awesome and quite developed right now. It will remain strong and grow. Foiling is new and exciting. For people like myself and Jordan a new challenge to ride and compete in which doesn't mean we won't KBR anymore.

I am learning to foil and i already got beaten up on there high end race foils a lot worst than on a race board but its part of learning..

Range of use for Raceboards and Foils is similar. The good guys ride the foils in 25knts no worries bottom end is similar with maybe little advantage for foils but not in manoeuvres.

come on lads easy on the red thumbs, Jordan is one of the pioneers or KBR and he is always trying new funs things like his weapon at L2L, now foiling.. so show him some love ;)

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patto1987 said..

So does anyone have any info about nationals???

There was talk of a nationals for Formula kite being at Brighton, vic some time in February, but I believe the proposal has been in the hands of aksa for some time and most likely an answer will be to late for the club to organise anything this season, so probly nothing in the first half of this year unless there is something else in the works.
In April this year brisbane were keen on hosting a nationals also, so who knows there maybe a couple of proposals in the pipe line and somebody is figuring out which one, only time will tell, I dont think there are any racers that know anymore than that

we need another nationals. the last one where we raced was Alva Bech 2011. Your lake sounds like an epic location too Rick!

twintip racing should be in format of slalom like they do at pkra. no point trying to hike upwind on a twin tip but you can go super fast in 20knts on a reach. some of the okra pros doing pretty well when it blows at the slalom events.

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INTHELOOP said..

twintip racing should be in format of slalom like they do at pkra. no point trying to hike upwind on a twin tip but you can go super fast in 20knts on a reach. some of the okra pros doing pretty well when it blows at the slalom events.

Okay Marv so what you're saying is.... for Jordan's benefit in Sydney,

1. Do 4 x formula races in one day, yes?
2. Then Jordan will do 4 x Twin tip / Surfboard figure of 8 course races (he already does this and for the life of me, WTF, well done)? or maybe Slalom?
3. Then he'll race whoever shows up with a foil as well for another 4 races?
4. If he could survive this, it would be really cool, 'cause he could do a whole regatta in 2 days of the same

Okay, I give up. If both of you can do that in one or two days of racing, maybe we should ask that, "Kite Board Racing" be resubmitted to the IOC as some kind of superhuman Heptathalon or whatever..... if it can be done, rather watch it than die trying thanks.

What's Jordan and your thoughts

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MOWIT said..

INTHELOOP said..

twintip racing should be in format of slalom like they do at pkra. no point trying to hike upwind on a twin tip but you can go super fast in 20knts on a reach. some of the okra pros doing pretty well when it blows at the slalom events.

Okay Marv so what you're saying is.... for Jordan's benefit in Sydney,

1. Do 4 x formula races in one day, yes?
2. Then Jordan will do 4 x Twin tip / Surfboard figure of 8 course races (he already does this and for the life of me, WTF, well done)? or maybe Slalom?
3. Then he'll race whoever shows up with a foil as well for another 4 races?
4. If he could survive this, it would be really cool, 'cause he could do a whole regatta in 2 days of the same

Okay, I give up. If both of you can do that in one or two days of racing, maybe we should ask that, "Kite Board Racing" be resubmitted to the IOC as some kind of superhuman Heptathalon or whatever..... if it can be done, rather watch it than die trying thanks.

What's Jordan and your thoughts

For the Kitepower races, the foils would race with the raceboards.

James here.
Race Nationals and Freestyle Nationals have been sanctioned by KA and to go ahead in (late, i think) February.
We be promoting the event very soon.
And yes jordan, im thinking knock out round robin teams racing on the last day would be sweet.

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waterlife said...
James here.
Race Nationals and Freestyle Nationals have been sanctioned by KA and to go ahead in (late, i think) February.
We be promoting the event very soon.
And yes jordan, im thinking knock out round robin teams racing on the last day would be sweet.

Sounds great James!

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waterlife said..

James here.
Race Nationals and Freestyle Nationals have been sanctioned by KA and to go ahead in (late, i think) February.
We be promoting the event very soon.
And yes jordan, im thinking knock out round robin teams racing on the last day would be sweet.

where mate?
both racing and freestyle at same event?

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waterlife said..

James here.
Race Nationals and Freestyle Nationals have been sanctioned by KA and to go ahead in (late, i think) February.
We be promoting the event very soon.
And yes jordan, im thinking knock out round robin teams racing on the last day would be sweet.

Great news, but let us know asap, many will be making plans for other events as we get closer.
James, make sure IKA know asap aswell.

Yes Marv, freestyle and race at the same venue, not sure if they are at the same time or one after another

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MOWIT said..

INTHELOOP said..

twintip racing should be in format of slalom like they do at pkra. no point trying to hike upwind on a twin tip but you can go super fast in 20knts on a reach. some of the okra pros doing pretty well when it blows at the slalom events.

Okay Marv so what you're saying is.... for Jordan's benefit in Sydney,

1. Do 4 x formula races in one day, yes?
2. Then Jordan will do 4 x Twin tip / Surfboard figure of 8 course races (he already does this and for the life of me, WTF, well done)? or maybe Slalom?
3. Then he'll race whoever shows up with a foil as well for another 4 races?
4. If he could survive this, it would be really cool, 'cause he could do a whole regatta in 2 days of the same

Okay, I give up. If both of you can do that in one or two days of racing, maybe we should ask that, "Kite Board Racing" be resubmitted to the IOC as some kind of superhuman Heptathalon or whatever..... if it can be done, rather watch it than die trying thanks.

What's Jordan and your thoughts

Red Thumb expected and accepted. Sorry all, I still think both Jordan and Marvin have done a fantastic job for their sponsors and the sport.

Kitefoil looks fun and a vertical learning curve for those interested.

Good luck and safe winds.

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waterlife said..

James here.
Race Nationals and Freestyle Nationals have been sanctioned by KA and to go ahead in (late, i think) February.
We be promoting the event very soon.
And yes jordan, im thinking knock out round robin teams racing on the last day would be sweet.

Hope they announce some dates before the 3rd jan, jetstar still have some cheap flight to Melbourne in Feb

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MOWIT said..

@ Patto1987

Okay, I think from what you're saying is, leave the Board in the "Box Rule" for Formula Kite board only focus on the thruster fin structure and what can be done up to 50 cm max. below the bottom of the board

Last time I tried to float an idea like this I got the "Titanic" response from Kite forum folk, including one would assume the French foil guys When you consider the French guys have been at this for over 4 years, well

My thoughts FWIW were, Think: "self adjusting thruster version of an AC72":

1. If you try to only use a 45 cm mast/strut the chop will cause you to board slap on the top of the chop, whilst your foil is in the trough, last thing you want is the foiling fins to vent, then spin out. Ok, if the chop is less than say 40 cm wave face height, move to next point:

2. If you went with 2 "L shaped" foils on the front of a tri-fin set up with both toe inwards and a T style rear foil/fin in the rear, once heading up wind the leeward fin would vent once the board is healed to windward, this might make it very unstable, don't know

3. Ran this past a naval architect and got a " What The ", if you used:
(a) Front foil/fins, Vertical mast Symmetrical fin profile, then joined via a large L bracket to a horizontal Asymmetrical fin with a self adjusting rear tab.
(b) Rear foil/fin, again a symetrical Mast/strut/vertical fin attached to a moth type base with self adjusting tabs on either side.

4. Now I hit the wall and was left with a massive headache do you use only G10 or G11 glass? G10 or 11 combined with Aluminium NACA section, G10 + repurposed moth foil, or G10 core with carbon outer as a composite or 3 fully custom NACA Alloy section foils/fins

For curiosity, someone out there on SB may have a handle on a solution

So, I think it reads that the fin set up should be similar to what the foiling Moth uses. Only question is would the same system work on a kite board. Could you fit the flexible rod at the front of the board or underneath that controls the height?

Would it work at 50mm or would 1000mm be better. I think a fixed T bar at the rear would be better. The front fins would have the height control. I think the fins in a Square U shape would be the best solution with the height control fitted to the rear of these fins. This way you can utilise the same fin boxes either side. May have to move the front boxes forward to help balance it out. If it worked it would be an interesting ride.

Anyone got a spare $5000.00 to throw at it? I don't I'm just the idea's man

now that didnt

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waterlife said..

James here.
Race Nationals and Freestyle Nationals have been sanctioned by KA and to go ahead in (late, i think) February.
We be promoting the event very soon.
And yes jordan, im thinking knock out round robin teams racing on the last day would be sweet.

Hope they announce some dates before the 3rd jan, jetstar still have some cheap flight to Melbourne in Feb

now that didn't happen, it will be more like last minute deals lol