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riddim1 said..
Im getting some great info from this forum thread. I am thinking of moving on from my aluminium set up to carbon. The J Shape foils look the part and have great feedback from riders at my local. I only foil in the 13-22knot range. Would still call myself a novice but feel a carbon setup will see me through to a more advanced level. I am not doing any prone foiling as I'm time poor but I like the style. At this stage I am enjoying buzzing about in lighter winds riding the chop. I am 85kgs and ride a 127 Naish hover with standard track mounts. I ride a 7m kite only. I swap to a surfboard when it gets above 22knots.

My question is would the Cruizer foil suit me in this wind range? I do not want to sacrifice any low end. I would also want more mast length with the 95cm. Does anyone have a good light weight deep Tuttle adapter plate for this set up. I would rather not have to buy a new board to fix a JShapes mast to if possible.
cheers.

The cruzer would work well in this wind range. I use a 7 Neo when there is enough wind and it's a great combo.
Cant make too much comment on the low end against the Naish foil as I haven't ridden one but suspect the jshapes to be more agile.

I am the same weight.
You will find the jshapes gear quite different and a bit to adjust to but well worth the investment in fun.
The weight differential is a big factor.
It just me , but I love my 120 jshapes board. It all just works. I hear the 135 is also great. Light weight and well designed. All up 5.7 kg. I know it's more money , but ...it just works.

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riddim1 said..
Im getting some great info from this forum thread. I am thinking of moving on from my aluminium set up to carbon. The J Shape foils look the part and have great feedback from riders at my local. I only foil in the 13-22knot range. Would still call myself a novice but feel a carbon setup will see me through to a more advanced level. I am not doing any prone foiling as I'm time poor but I like the style. At this stage I am enjoying buzzing about in lighter winds riding the chop. I am 85kgs and ride a 127 Naish hover with standard track mounts. I ride a 7m kite only. I swap to a surfboard when it gets above 22knots.

My question is would the Cruizer foil suit me in this wind range? I do not want to sacrifice any low end. I would also want more mast length with the 95cm. Does anyone have a good light weight deep Tuttle adapter plate for this set up. I would rather not have to buy a new board to fix a JShapes mast to if possible.
cheers.

Hi mate
If you need a new Manta Deep Tuttle Adaptor Plate I have one for sale in
Kite accessories Seabreeze.
You can't go wrong with JSHAPES

Thanks Leigh.
Have PM'd you.

If you are going to use a plate adapter, I would recommend using the 70cm JShapes Mast. This will give you and 80cm mast set up. I use this with a Cruzer wingset and find it great fun, especially if you ride strapless.

Finally got my new J-shapes set up out in some average winter winds (Pocket board+Cruzer+70 mast). The wind was variable from 12-18 knots. The Cruzer foil had me up riding at the low end after I worked out where best to place my feet, which brings me to a question.
The J-shapes boards (deep Tuttle) have the mast placement quite forward on the board. I am sure that the design is well tested and has been found to work best in most conditions, but I think when it comes to the pocket model, a lot of real estate on the board is surplus to requirements due to this forward mast placement. I've found the best placement of my rear foot is on or just forward of the mast. This doesn't leave much room for a wider stance on a taller guy like myself (6ft).
My foiling experience prior to J-Shapes has been with mast plate boards allowing me to adjust the mast rearward to suit my stance/style. Coming from a surfing background, I enjoy driving turns with my back foot on the tail of a board.
I understand this is probably less of an issue with a longer board (120+ etc).

I'll get familiar with it in time, but I'm interested in others thoughts.

You didn't actually ask a question. The answer is yes. You're correct. For the Cruzer the back foot is happiest on top of the mast or on the front mast screw. The "safe" position when everything is going horrible is to move your back foot forward.

I am 185cm tall. I ride the 120cm board with straps. My front foot is 30cm back from the nose. I have had the front straps a little bit further back and sometimes ride with my feet behind the straps when riding out of the straps.

I have ridden with the front foot further back and I am thinking about moving my front foot forward. I have been playing at race stance and that is quite awkward, but the increase in speed and upwind angle is pretty nice with a big kite and loads of power.

I rarely ride with my back foot behind the mast in the back strap. Usually when jumping or doing the racer pretendies.

I'm not sure whether the board area behind the mast is a waste or not. (I don't know. Just thinking out loud.) If you're touching down on a small board, during water starting or transitions, then you need your weight centred on the board to stop the board sinking too much or nose diving. Having a bit of board in front and behind your feet helps keep things a bit more stable.

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riddim1 said..
rear foot is on or just forward of the mast

You asked for thoughts so here's mine

Your rear foot is too far forward. You're giving up a bunch of pitch control...and probably means you're too rigid on the board.

My theory has always been that the gear was designed with the straps in pretty much the right places, and you should be able to center your feet on them for optimal performance. With "matched sets", I've yet to be proven wrong.

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Kamikuza said..

riddim1 said..
rear foot is on or just forward of the mast

You asked for thoughts so here's mine

Your rear foot is too far forward. You're giving up a bunch of pitch control...and probably means you're too rigid on the board.

My theory has always been that the gear was designed with the straps in pretty much the right places, and you should be able to center your feet on them for optimal performance. With "matched sets", I've yet to be proven wrong.

Hard for me to disagree with you Kami , without trying others. ... I use the same setup as Gorgo with 950 mast , 120 board , cruzer and free ride foils. But I find myself riding in the same position as Gorgo on the cruzer.

I am 175 and 87kgs so require less board than if I was 120kg and 190 I guess...?
Puetz ( 190 and large ) had a shot on the cruzer and 120 board today ... I will ask him where he felt comfortable with his foot position. I felt he could use a bigger board but not sure ...

Certainly the free ride foil needs back foot to the back of the mast at least and sometimes further back , but my foot position is almost the same as Gorgo describes on the cruzer foil , which is interesting.
I have become much more bent in both knees on this foil as I have improved , to aid control of lift while carving it .... which this foil excels at . It will lock in pretty well , but man it carves.

I don't use straps , so my foot position is less prescriptive.... allows me to have a foot position on either side on the centre line which seems to the natural position for me on this setup.

I guess if I used straps ... that my body position might be different anyway , right ?

Cheers ??

Thanks for the responses. Kami is right in that I have been too rigid in my stance. I struggled with the pocket board initially and felt much more fixed with where I placed my feet. The pocket model doesn't come with strap points so I wouldn't know where j-shapes typically place them.
Now that I am up and riding I have been experimenting with foot placement and wanted some advice from experience riders. I guess the better I get, the more relaxed I'll become

Loving the gear though. Very happy I made the switch.

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eddiemorgs said..

Kamikuza said..

riddim1 said..
rear foot is on or just forward of the mast

You asked for thoughts so here's mine

Your rear foot is too far forward. You're giving up a bunch of pitch control...and probably means you're too rigid on the board.

My theory has always been that the gear was designed with the straps in pretty much the right places, and you should be able to center your feet on them for optimal performance. With "matched sets", I've yet to be proven wrong.

Hard for me to disagree with you Kami , without trying others. ... I use the same setup as Gorgo with 950 mast , 120 board , cruzer and free ride foils. But I find myself riding in the same position as Gorgo on the cruzer.

I am 175 and 87kgs so require less board than if I was 120kg and 190 I guess...?
Puetz ( 190 and large ) had a shot on the cruzer and 120 board today ... I will ask him where he felt comfortable with his foot position. I felt he could use a bigger board but not sure ...

Certainly the free ride foil needs back foot to the back of the mast at least and sometimes further back , but my foot position is almost the same as Gorgo describes on the cruzer foil , which is interesting.
I have become much more bent in both knees on this foil as I have improved , to aid control of lift while carving it .... which this foil excels at . It will lock in pretty well , but man it carves.

I don't use straps , so my foot position is less prescriptive.... allows me to have a foot position on either side on the centre line which seems to the natural position for me on this setup.

I guess if I used straps ... that my body position might be different anyway , right ?

Cheers ??

... Eddiemorgs was kind enough to let me have a ride on his Cruizer/95 with his 120cm board and my short review, 'it was fantastic'. First run I had completely forgot I couldn't air gybe yet, got around and cruising along the other way toe side and went "oh sh!t, now what". My previous session with the Cruzier/95 was with the 155cm board and it was amazing session that time too.

From a big guys perspective (I'm 120kg ( 264 pounds) at 6'4"), I felt the 120cm board made the setup feel more agile once I was up and foiling but the bigger board felt more stable which made me want to hook in to go faster everywhere. I attributed this to the foot straps and their positioning. Eddies 155cm board has the 2 (gybe) straps, as apposed to the single inline strap on the 120cm. Being a newbie I felt more comfortable with my foot locked in a bit more. But having said that, with just the big toe in the single strap on the smaller board, it made for a much more surfy carvey feel.

I kinda liked the slightly wider stance of the bigger board. Despite my height, I still have a relatively narrow stance, in general when I kite but the smaller board did feel just a tad too narrow or should I say a tad short for me. I'm guessing that when when I get more experienced I'd be able to ride strapless and make my own stance by being out of the strap. When I pushed a bit to get more speed I could feel the foil push back more so I thought I had more front foot pressure to deal with but logic tells me that it was because my front foot might have been back a bit more than my last session on the 155 board.

Probably the hardest thing I had with the 120cm board was when the wind dropped I found I 'buried' the board too much when water starting. I struggled to get up on the foil. With a slight wind increase I could easily pop up on the foil but when its low, I struggled. I know, its just laws of physics going on here. Of course, once up, the size had no bearing, but having a small light thing under my feet made me feel like I was on a nimble little surf board that just wants to carve.

J Shapes is a great piece of gear, definitely world class.

Cheers,

Robbie :)

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Puetz said..

eddiemorgs said..

Kamikuza said..

riddim1 said..
rear foot is on or just forward of the mast

You asked for thoughts so here's mine

Your rear foot is too far forward. You're giving up a bunch of pitch control...and probably means you're too rigid on the board.

My theory has always been that the gear was designed with the straps in pretty much the right places, and you should be able to center your feet on them for optimal performance. With "matched sets", I've yet to be proven wrong.

Hard for me to disagree with you Kami , without trying others. ... I use the same setup as Gorgo with 950 mast , 120 board , cruzer and free ride foils. But I find myself riding in the same position as Gorgo on the cruzer.

I am 175 and 87kgs so require less board than if I was 120kg and 190 I guess...?
Puetz ( 190 and large ) had a shot on the cruzer and 120 board today ... I will ask him where he felt comfortable with his foot position. I felt he could use a bigger board but not sure ...

Certainly the free ride foil needs back foot to the back of the mast at least and sometimes further back , but my foot position is almost the same as Gorgo describes on the cruzer foil , which is interesting.
I have become much more bent in both knees on this foil as I have improved , to aid control of lift while carving it .... which this foil excels at . It will lock in pretty well , but man it carves.

I don't use straps , so my foot position is less prescriptive.... allows me to have a foot position on either side on the centre line which seems to the natural position for me on this setup.

I guess if I used straps ... that my body position might be different anyway , right ?

Cheers ??

... Eddiemorgs was kind enough to let me have a ride on his Cruizer/95 with his 120cm board and my short review, 'it was fantastic'. First run I had completely forgot I couldn't air gybe yet, got around and cruising along the other way toe side and went "oh sh!t, now what". My previous session with the Cruzier/95 was with the 155cm board and it was amazing session that time too.

From a big guys perspective (I'm 120kg ( 264 pounds) at 6'4"), I felt the 120cm board made the setup feel more agile once I was up and foiling but the bigger board felt more stable which made me want to hook in to go faster everywhere. I attributed this to the foot straps and their positioning. Eddies 155cm board has the 2 (gybe) straps, as apposed to the single inline strap on the 120cm. Being a newbie I felt more comfortable with my foot locked in a bit more. But having said that, with just the big toe in the single strap on the smaller board, it made for a much more surfy carvey feel.

I kinda liked the slightly wider stance of the bigger board. Despite my height, I still have a relatively narrow stance, in general when I kite but the smaller board did feel just a tad too narrow or should I say a tad short for me. I'm guessing that when when I get more experienced I'd be able to ride strapless and make my own stance by being out of the strap. When I pushed a bit to get more speed I could feel the foil push back more so I thought I had more front foot pressure to deal with but logic tells me that it was because my front foot might have been back a bit more than my last session on the 155 board.

Probably the hardest thing I had with the 120cm board was when the wind dropped I found I 'buried' the board too much when water starting. I struggled to get up on the foil. With a slight wind increase I could easily pop up on the foil but when its low, I struggled. I know, its just laws of physics going on here. Of course, once up, the size had no bearing, but having a small light thing under my feet made me feel like I was on a nimble little surf board that just wants to carve.

J Shapes is a great piece of gear, definitely world class.

Cheers,

Robbie :)

Hey Bomber , where did you find your back and front feet placed with the cruzer on both boards in relation to the mast and footstrap ?

Is there a difference between you and me ?
Trying to get some understanding about difference in kiter size re position ....

And it was a pleasure to see the controlled excitement on your face when you rode this foil .... .
I knew you would love it

I actually typed out a post after Eddie's "Hard for me to disagree with you" post ... guess I didn't click "Post"...? Doh.

The gist of it was:

I read on the forums that my first foil had the straps in the perfect spot, so I learned like that and while at first I thought "You've got to bloody joking!", I got there in the end.

I think that experience forced me to learn to shift my weight more effectively than simply moving my whole CoG forward by putting my back feet in front of the mast...

Yoga lunges! I know I've banged on about them before...

IMO our stance widths may be different, but our CoG would be pretty much over the same place because of how the wing works and is balanced. A wider stance is more effective, for quicker reactions and better control.

Didn't have a balance board, so before my foil arrived I got some practice down at the park on the see-saws. Imagine changing your stance width as you balance over the fulcrum... wider might be a bit more twitchy but you need less effort. Feels ... crisper

You'll also find that you push from the back foot to weight the front when you're loading up.

Guess I move my feet around some, as I've pulled the deck pad away from the strap holes by wriggling around. If I've done a long tack out, then back downwind, then heading out again, without changing feet, I move the back foot forward so I can lean back on it and take the weight off the front foot.

Reminds me -- you can "ski" on the board with feet side by side, no narrower stance than that. But it's not as dynamically stable or reactive (for me anyway) which I guess is the whole point of this ramble.

Sorry, just realized this is a product thread, didn't mean to go OT...!

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Puetz said..
Probably the hardest thing I had with the 120cm board was when the wind dropped I found I 'buried' the board too much when water starting. I struggled to get up on the foil.

Recently I rode a low-volume 127cm board with a small foil on a light wind day, back to back with mine, and noticed zero difference in water starting difficulty or touchdowns. Though I'm trying to decide if I'm not being overly-ambitious going for a 105cm board...

Both my 145x48 and the 127 sunk on start, but that doesn't bother me so much because it loads the kite and lines more next stroke gets the job done.

Usually start in light wind by sinking the back foot and the tail on the first down stroke, using that stroke to get me out and over the board and downwind with some speed, and the up-stroke to get onto the foil and the second down stroke to make speed.

If the board has sunk on the down stroke, the up stroke usually pops it out and onto the foil. If it just keeps sinking, and the kite is working up and down, then there's no wind at all

In good wind, I start with the kite low on the side I want to go to, then back up and over high behind me -- that gets me out of the water and straight onto the foil and on the down stroke I ride away.

This is one reason why I like small fast kites and got rid of the massive slow but powerful foils...

Hi there - just wondering if anyone can give me any feedback on the differences between the V1 950 mast and the V2 950 mast?

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eddiemorgs said..

Puetz said..

eddiemorgs said..

Kamikuza said..

riddim1 said..
rear foot is on or just forward of the mast

You asked for thoughts so here's mine

Your rear foot is too far forward. You're giving up a bunch of pitch control...and probably means you're too rigid on the board.

My theory has always been that the gear was designed with the straps in pretty much the right places, and you should be able to center your feet on them for optimal performance. With "matched sets", I've yet to be proven wrong.

Hard for me to disagree with you Kami , without trying others. ... I use the same setup as Gorgo with 950 mast , 120 board , cruzer and free ride foils. But I find myself riding in the same position as Gorgo on the cruzer.

I am 175 and 87kgs so require less board than if I was 120kg and 190 I guess...?
Puetz ( 190 and large ) had a shot on the cruzer and 120 board today ... I will ask him where he felt comfortable with his foot position. I felt he could use a bigger board but not sure ...

Certainly the free ride foil needs back foot to the back of the mast at least and sometimes further back , but my foot position is almost the same as Gorgo describes on the cruzer foil , which is interesting.
I have become much more bent in both knees on this foil as I have improved , to aid control of lift while carving it .... which this foil excels at . It will lock in pretty well , but man it carves.

I don't use straps , so my foot position is less prescriptive.... allows me to have a foot position on either side on the centre line which seems to the natural position for me on this setup.

I guess if I used straps ... that my body position might be different anyway , right ?

Cheers ??

... Eddiemorgs was kind enough to let me have a ride on his Cruizer/95 with his 120cm board and my short review, 'it was fantastic'. First run I had completely forgot I couldn't air gybe yet, got around and cruising along the other way toe side and went "oh sh!t, now what". My previous session with the Cruzier/95 was with the 155cm board and it was amazing session that time too.

From a big guys perspective (I'm 120kg ( 264 pounds) at 6'4"), I felt the 120cm board made the setup feel more agile once I was up and foiling but the bigger board felt more stable which made me want to hook in to go faster everywhere. I attributed this to the foot straps and their positioning. Eddies 155cm board has the 2 (gybe) straps, as apposed to the single inline strap on the 120cm. Being a newbie I felt more comfortable with my foot locked in a bit more. But having said that, with just the big toe in the single strap on the smaller board, it made for a much more surfy carvey feel.

I kinda liked the slightly wider stance of the bigger board. Despite my height, I still have a relatively narrow stance, in general when I kite but the smaller board did feel just a tad too narrow or should I say a tad short for me. I'm guessing that when when I get more experienced I'd be able to ride strapless and make my own stance by being out of the strap. When I pushed a bit to get more speed I could feel the foil push back more so I thought I had more front foot pressure to deal with but logic tells me that it was because my front foot might have been back a bit more than my last session on the 155 board.

Probably the hardest thing I had with the 120cm board was when the wind dropped I found I 'buried' the board too much when water starting. I struggled to get up on the foil. With a slight wind increase I could easily pop up on the foil but when its low, I struggled. I know, its just laws of physics going on here. Of course, once up, the size had no bearing, but having a small light thing under my feet made me feel like I was on a nimble little surf board that just wants to carve.

J Shapes is a great piece of gear, definitely world class.

Cheers,

Robbie :)

Hey Bomber , where did you find your back and front feet placed with the cruzer on both boards in relation to the mast and footstrap ?

Is there a difference between you and me ?
Trying to get some understanding about difference in kiter size re position ....

And it was a pleasure to see the controlled excitement on your face when you rode this foil .... .
I knew you would love it

... weirdly I can't remember as I was concentrating on everything else, but I think my back foot was over the front screws of the mast. I think that the wind was lighter the day I tried the small board (compared to the day I tried the bigger board) so I'd love to try both boards on the same day with the same wind.

And you were absolutely right Eddie, I did love it, amazing how 'classy' it felt compared to the others I've tried.

Cheers,

Robbie

The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

Thanks for that - I dream about taking my Jshapes to the beach everyday - I have a 145. cruizer and love my 70 v2 mast - feels so positive compared to running my 900 which feels a little twitchy - the 900 is v1 hence my question. Maybe just being a little higher.
My J shapes gear is probably one the best presents I ever bought myself


A wise man once told me 'life is too short for aluminum"

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Gorgo said..
What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

"As a beginner" is the key phrase. As you get better, the movements are more subtle but are the foundation for a stable, flexible stance. I'm very convinced it's effective

Yeah, the hell with that racing thing. Burning glutes and back pain I can live without

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Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

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NZL1111 said..
Hi there - just wondering if anyone can give me any feedback on the differences between the V1 950 mast and the V2 950 mast?

I've had both .... V2 supplied on warranty.... V2 flares to the full length of the deep tuttle. I perceived zero difference in the feel or performance.

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emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

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eppo said..

emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

Puetz has the bug now Eppo. Haha. Gone for all money. Can't stop him talking about it
We haven't seen the nugget for a couple of months I don't think , but it will be out in Bali soon

As you know it takes a while to adjust to what is possible with these things. Exploring all the angles we can.
I am still enjoying it , even when mowing the lawn its cool

I don't think he will mind me mentioning the big swim in he had the other day.... we can have bubbles of wind here and he got outside it and discovered all there was, was apparent wind when he turned, kite dropped out .... we all kept an eye on him while he swam back to shore and helped him back to camp and beer. .
People were ringing the police etc , we were telling them to relax cause he was ok . Being picked up by a boat is crap , better to swim if all ok .
Happened to me the other day too but I was just in standing depth

He's really enjoying the Duotone carve 950. It's pretty quick , balanced and cruisey it seems. Be interesting to hear how it compares to your axis gear

We are starting to see some of Bombers foiling gps lines posted on the Darwin Kitesurfing fb page now too.. check it out and follow , the group is a bit of fun
www.facebook.com/groups/63313018077/?ref=share

Cheers

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eddiemorgs said..

eppo said..

emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

Puetz has the bug now Eppo. Haha. Gone for all money. Can't stop him talking about it
We haven't seen the nugget for a couple of months I don't think , but it will be out in Bali soon

As you know it takes a while to adjust to what is possible with these things. Exploring all the angles we can.
I am still enjoying it , even when mowing the lawn its cool

I don't think he will mind me mentioning the big swim in he had the other day.... we can have bubbles of wind here and he got outside it and discovered all there was, was apparent wind when he turned, kite dropped out .... we all kept an eye on him while he swam back to shore and helped him back to camp and beer. .
People were ringing the police etc , we were telling them to relax cause he was ok . Being picked up by a boat is crap , better to swim if all ok .
Happened to me the other day too but I was just in standing depth

He's really enjoying the Duotone carve 950. It's pretty quick , balanced and cruisey it seems. Be interesting to hear how it compares to your axis gear

We are starting to see some of Bombers foiling gps lines posted on the Darwin Kitesurfing fb page now too.. check it out and follow , the group is a bit of fun
www.facebook.com/groups/63313018077/?ref=share

Cheers

... haha,,, yeah, I reaped what I sew'd as they say that day. Knuckle head here kited himself into a patch of near zero wind.

The problem was I was cruising along no worries with all this apparent wind, I hadn't noticed that the water had gone all glassy around me. When I finally did notice it, it was too late, I was f'd now. I attempted to turn, but without my apparent wind helping me, I fell and eventually dropped the kite into the drink. Oh well, swim back it is.

Swimming back is no big deal,,, even though it was roughly 1.45km to the nearest point, it was a part of the coast that we call 'The Bad Lands'. Bad lands 'cause if you end up there,,,,, its all bad. The whole area is peppered with rocks, reefs and yay, barnacle covered rocks just for kicks.

I had to self rescue holding the kite and foil in the air with one hand, my other hand stretched out in front of me so I didn't swim into the barnacle laced rocks with my legs doing the swimming. It did seem a long way at the time.

Yep, lesson learnt.

Robbie :)

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eppo said..

emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

... haha, you're so right, I haven't been on my nugget for 6 weeks now. Once I felt the free flowing light wind killing foil feel, I was hooked.

Poor nugget is sitting next to my poor TT's now!

Robbie :)

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Puetz said..

eddiemorgs said..

eppo said..

emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

Puetz has the bug now Eppo. Haha. Gone for all money. Can't stop him talking about it
We haven't seen the nugget for a couple of months I don't think , but it will be out in Bali soon

As you know it takes a while to adjust to what is possible with these things. Exploring all the angles we can.
I am still enjoying it , even when mowing the lawn its cool

I don't think he will mind me mentioning the big swim in he had the other day.... we can have bubbles of wind here and he got outside it and discovered all there was, was apparent wind when he turned, kite dropped out .... we all kept an eye on him while he swam back to shore and helped him back to camp and beer. .
People were ringing the police etc , we were telling them to relax cause he was ok . Being picked up by a boat is crap , better to swim if all ok .
Happened to me the other day too but I was just in standing depth

He's really enjoying the Duotone carve 950. It's pretty quick , balanced and cruisey it seems. Be interesting to hear how it compares to your axis gear

We are starting to see some of Bombers foiling gps lines posted on the Darwin Kitesurfing fb page now too.. check it out and follow , the group is a bit of fun
www.facebook.com/groups/63313018077/?ref=share

Cheers

... haha,,, yeah, I reaped what I sew'd as they say that day. Knuckle head here kited himself into a patch of near zero wind.

The problem was I was cruising along no worries with all this apparent wind, I hadn't noticed that the water had gone all glassy around me. When I finally did notice it, it was too late, I was f'd now. I attempted to turn, but without my apparent wind helping me, I fell and eventually dropped the kite into the drink. Oh well, swim back it is.

Swimming back is no big deal,,, even though it was roughly 1.45km to the nearest point, it was a part of the coast that we call 'The Bad Lands'. Bad lands 'cause if you end up there,,,,, its all bad. The whole area is peppered with rocks, reefs and yay, barnacle covered rocks just for kicks.

I had to self rescue holding the kite and foil in the air with one hand, my other hand stretched out in front of me so I didn't swim into the barnacle laced rocks with my legs doing the swimming. It did seem a long way at the time.

Yep, lesson learnt.

Robbie :)

Had the GPS in my pocket the other day, first tack from shore and I was keen to check my cruising speed and it said "distance: 1.8km" and it was like no way, I haven't been riding for more then a minute or two surely and I looked back over my shoulder......

Yeah, glad I didn't have to swim that.

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Puetz said..

eddiemorgs said..

eppo said..

emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

Puetz has the bug now Eppo. Haha. Gone for all money. Can't stop him talking about it
We haven't seen the nugget for a couple of months I don't think , but it will be out in Bali soon

As you know it takes a while to adjust to what is possible with these things. Exploring all the angles we can.
I am still enjoying it , even when mowing the lawn its cool

I don't think he will mind me mentioning the big swim in he had the other day.... we can have bubbles of wind here and he got outside it and discovered all there was, was apparent wind when he turned, kite dropped out .... we all kept an eye on him while he swam back to shore and helped him back to camp and beer. .
People were ringing the police etc , we were telling them to relax cause he was ok . Being picked up by a boat is crap , better to swim if all ok .
Happened to me the other day too but I was just in standing depth

He's really enjoying the Duotone carve 950. It's pretty quick , balanced and cruisey it seems. Be interesting to hear how it compares to your axis gear

We are starting to see some of Bombers foiling gps lines posted on the Darwin Kitesurfing fb page now too.. check it out and follow , the group is a bit of fun
www.facebook.com/groups/63313018077/?ref=share

Cheers

... haha,,, yeah, I reaped what I sew'd as they say that day. Knuckle head here kited himself into a patch of near zero wind.

The problem was I was cruising along no worries with all this apparent wind, I hadn't noticed that the water had gone all glassy around me. When I finally did notice it, it was too late, I was f'd now. I attempted to turn, but without my apparent wind helping me, I fell and eventually dropped the kite into the drink. Oh well, swim back it is.

Swimming back is no big deal,,, even though it was roughly 1.45km to the nearest point, it was a part of the coast that we call 'The Bad Lands'. Bad lands 'cause if you end up there,,,,, its all bad. The whole area is peppered with rocks, reefs and yay, barnacle covered rocks just for kicks.

I had to self rescue holding the kite and foil in the air with one hand, my other hand stretched out in front of me so I didn't swim into the barnacle laced rocks with my legs doing the swimming. It did seem a long way at the time.

Yep, lesson learnt.

Robbie :)

And the crocodiles

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eppo said..

Puetz said..

eddiemorgs said..

eppo said..

emmafoils said..

Gorgo said..
The V2 mast is stiffer than the V1 mast. There's a lot more material in the upper third of the mast. I bought the v2 mast and keep the V1 as a spare. I have two complete foiling kits (different version of J Shapes gear). It would suck to not be able to go foiling because something was damaged. I can't really remember what the V1 mast was like. I had a great time on it. I bought the V2 and I have a great time on that (FWIW I put 266 hours on the V1 and 299 on the V2. The only maintenance was to touch up a groove in the leading edge from fishing line I ran into.)

I feel sorry for people who don't foil, and sorry for people who use other brands of freeride foiling gear. The J Shapes gear works so well, is so simple and robust to use and so reasonably priced. Other people are messing around with foils with a million screws and lubricants and heavy bits and pieces and swapping stabilisers and front wings. I foil literally every day (almost). My gear deals with everything I throw at it and it just works all the time in every situation.

I am not convinced by the "place your foot here" advice or the yoga lunge thing. All that stuff works to an extent, and if it works for you then that's great.

What really happens is that as a beginner you obsess about putting your feet in the right place and you're wondering why you get bucked off or face plant all the time. You mess around with foot placement and decide you have it nailed. Then you find that you can get a similar result by moving your hips back and forward (yoga man). That works too. After that you find that simply moving your head takes your body with it and everything is great and simple.

In the end you do all those things automatically and you can literally wander around the board and ride any way you want. That's when you truly start foiling and not just being a nervous passenger.

My preferred stance is simply to stand with straight legs, back foot on the front of the mast. Front foot 40-60cm forward. That lets me relax and rest my legs and go fairly quickly and handle most transitions and chop and bumps and things. I really love the feeling of "riding the front wing" at speed.

If the wind is strong and the kite big then I might move my back foot further back to do some jumps. Just recently I have been pretending to be a racer with the feet locked in and the board cranked over. That is fun but very tiring.

No need to feel sorry for people who use other brands. I am sure J Shapes makes great products but there are plenty of others out there just as good and their owners are having as much fun as you are.

Yep ??

robbie you won't know yourself shortly and you won't ride your nugget very often again!!! It will seem slow sluggish and agricultural

Puetz has the bug now Eppo. Haha. Gone for all money. Can't stop him talking about it
We haven't seen the nugget for a couple of months I don't think , but it will be out in Bali soon

As you know it takes a while to adjust to what is possible with these things. Exploring all the angles we can.
I am still enjoying it , even when mowing the lawn its cool

I don't think he will mind me mentioning the big swim in he had the other day.... we can have bubbles of wind here and he got outside it and discovered all there was, was apparent wind when he turned, kite dropped out .... we all kept an eye on him while he swam back to shore and helped him back to camp and beer. .
People were ringing the police etc , we were telling them to relax cause he was ok . Being picked up by a boat is crap , better to swim if all ok .
Happened to me the other day too but I was just in standing depth

He's really enjoying the Duotone carve 950. It's pretty quick , balanced and cruisey it seems. Be interesting to hear how it compares to your axis gear

We are starting to see some of Bombers foiling gps lines posted on the Darwin Kitesurfing fb page now too.. check it out and follow , the group is a bit of fun
www.facebook.com/groups/63313018077/?ref=share

Cheers

... haha,,, yeah, I reaped what I sew'd as they say that day. Knuckle head here kited himself into a patch of near zero wind.

The problem was I was cruising along no worries with all this apparent wind, I hadn't noticed that the water had gone all glassy around me. When I finally did notice it, it was too late, I was f'd now. I attempted to turn, but without my apparent wind helping me, I fell and eventually dropped the kite into the drink. Oh well, swim back it is.

Swimming back is no big deal,,, even though it was roughly 1.45km to the nearest point, it was a part of the coast that we call 'The Bad Lands'. Bad lands 'cause if you end up there,,,,, its all bad. The whole area is peppered with rocks, reefs and yay, barnacle covered rocks just for kicks.

I had to self rescue holding the kite and foil in the air with one hand, my other hand stretched out in front of me so I didn't swim into the barnacle laced rocks with my legs doing the swimming. It did seem a long way at the time.

Yep, lesson learnt.

Robbie :)

And the crocodiles

..... annnnnnnd the sharks !!!!

Just wondering if anyone has tried the jshapes C-Wave Foil
with the 70cm mast?

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LeighMajor said..
Just wondering if anyone has tried the jshapes C-Wave Foil
with the 70cm mast?

... Eddiemorgs asked J Shapes that very question,,, it was advised no go with a kite!!!!!

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Puetz said..

LeighMajor said..
Just wondering if anyone has tried the jshapes C-Wave Foil
with the 70cm mast?

... Eddiemorgs asked J Shapes that very question,,, it was advised no go with a kite!!!!!

Ok mate thanks.
Wonder if that's because of the c-wave foil strength.
Will email Antoine for an explanation.
Hopefully ok with a wind wing.