Just been talking to iinet on an unrelated matter, when that finished the guy convinced me to change from our NBN,
500gb @ 12mb/s $59 a month plan to a wireless, unlimited @ 20mb/s $49 a month plan. We are only 200m from the tower so have great signal.
Seems like a no brainer, but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head about bandwidth. If there's heavy usage in our area will speed drop below our current 12mb/s?
Anybody have any experience with this technology?

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decrepit said..
Just been talking to iinet on an unrelated matter, when that finished the guy convinced me to change from our NBN,
500gb @ 12mb/s $59 a month plan to a wireless, unlimited @ 20mb/s $49 a month plan. We are only 200m from the tower so have great signal.
Seems like a no brainer, but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head about bandwidth. If there's heavy usage in our area will speed drop below our current 12mb/s?
Anybody have any experience with this technology?

Get vaccinated for the 5G

Seriously though, you'll have the same issue if you're sharing cable with the neighbors anyway. If you're on unlimited data, and choppy frame rates or low resolution is your worry when you're watching Netflix, just download what you can.

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decrepit said..
Just been talking to iinet on an unrelated matter, when that finished the guy convinced me to change from our NBN,
500gb @ 12mb/s $59 a month plan to a wireless, unlimited @ 20mb/s $49 a month plan. We are only 200m from the tower so have great signal.
Seems like a no brainer, but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head about bandwidth. If there's heavy usage in our area will speed drop below our current 12mb/s?
Anybody have any experience with this technology?

No one will know. Unless there are lots of subscribers in the same place, there should be plenty of bandwidth, but this can change from moment to moment.

It's interesting that they provide a speed and nominate it as 20Mbps. I wonder how they control it?

I'm using wireless BB with Pentanet. Years of crap coverage with NBN, have been on the wireless for a year and bulletproof, on a 60mbps plan and it sits on 60mbps all the time.

you won't see any speed drop i don't think. the capacity on mine was 200+ and its throttled based on your plan.

Pentanet are worth checking out, perth-based company and super helpful service-wise.

Interesting, you made go and check and if I stick with my current provider (Optus) and switch from NBN cable to 5G, I get a faster speed for slightly less money. If they do it faster and cheaper using 5G, does this mean the whole NBN rollout to everyone's door was a big waste of money?

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Harrow said..
>>> does this mean the whole NBN rollout to everyone's door was a big waste of money?

Possibly, but not every where has good mobile reception

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FormulaNova said ..
It's interesting that they provide a speed and nominate it as 20Mbps. I wonder how they control it?

I think he said up to a max of 20Mbs, this maybe the max 4g is capable of?

Our NBN is limited to 12.5Mbs. I guess you could do that by controlling the clock speed.

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decrepit said..
Just been talking to iinet on an unrelated matter, when that finished the guy convinced me to change from our NBN,
500gb @ 12mb/s $59 a month plan to a wireless, unlimited @ 20mb/s $49 a month plan. We are only 200m from the tower so have great signal.
Seems like a no brainer, but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head about bandwidth. If there's heavy usage in our area will speed drop below our current 12mb/s?
Anybody have any experience with this technology?

Wireless broadband works great in our area, much faster and more reliable than the NBN. If you are regional in an area that's hilly and have a local wireless provider that's been in buisness for a while in the area do it!

Harrow, wireless broadband is not 5g

Isn't it something I say years ago and everybody here was excited about NBN? Looks like we wasted 50 to 100 bln on something we could all for free. I have also tower 150 m, but somehow had to collect to NBN iiNet $85 pm

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Macroscien said..
Isn't it something I say years ago and everybody here was excited about NBN? Looks like we wasted 50 to 100 bln on something we could all for free. I have also tower 150 m, but somehow had to collect to NBN iiNet $85 pm

Curious, how much does it cost in China for same speed?

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Macroscien said..
Isn't it something I say years ago and everybody here was excited about NBN?...

Not everybody Macro, not everybody.

Although I am kinda of curious why we can't all get the vaxx via the NBN. That was one great selling point of it by the NBN HW devotees. Imagine having doctors appointments over the net they said....

Yep, just imagine....

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UncleBob said..

Macroscien said..
Isn't it something I say years ago and everybody here was excited about NBN? Looks like we wasted 50 to 100 bln on something we could all for free. I have also tower 150 m, but somehow had to collect to NBN iiNet $85 pm

Curious, how much does it cost in China for same speed?

www.saporedicina.com/english/internet-in-china/

How much it costs?
The price will depend on the speed, the city where you live, the provider of your choice, how many months you pay for and whether it includes associated mobile phone line cards. The prices of these companies are relatively similar (if we keep into account the speed). Here you find some examples (in Beijing, May 2019):China Mobile 50Mbps 1 year: 1,080 Yuan.
China Mobile 200Mbps 1 year: 1,680 Yuan.
China Unicom 200Mbps 1 year: 1,480 Yuan.
China Unicom 500Mbps 1 year: 1,980 Yuan.
China Telecom 50 Mbps 1 year: 880 Yuan
China Telecom 100Mbps: 980 Yuan.
GeHua 110Mbps 1 year: 980 Yuan.
Important: Normally, your actual speed will be much less than the speed that you purchase. If you pay for 100 Mbps, expect 10-20 Mbps in reality.

I want my cows to each have their own internet connectivity. Which is the best strategy? 5G dongles, or wifi back to an NBN connection?

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Harrow said..
>>> does this mean the whole NBN rollout to everyone's door was a big waste of money?

Possibly, but not every where has good mobile reception

FormulaNova said ..
It's interesting that they provide a speed and nominate it as 20Mbps. I wonder how they control it?

I think he said up to a max of 20Mbs, this maybe the max 4g is capable of?

Our NBN is limited to 12.5Mbs. I guess you could do that by controlling the clock speed.

The rate limiting of NBN I understand. Its a pretty easy thing to do. Wireless on the other hand is a bit more complex, but in theory it can use a similar concept. I just wonder if they do it or just let users contend for bandwidth.

The infrastructure used to power the data needs for NBN has been used to provide the data for 5G. I used to work with a guy that did a lot of work on Vodafone's rollout of 4G, and a lot of the backhaul uses NBN infrastructure. You could argue that without the NBN as a base customer of these networks, that some of these connections would not be built or be more expensive.

The cynic in me says that market forces means that without the NBN people in cities would have great ADSL2, great 5G services, and other people in marginal areas would still struggle for ADSL1 services. Having the NBN everywhere means that a lot of people can have a lot better access to the internet, and despite Macro thinking its only for porn, a lot of people can use it to work.

How are people's general feeling about NBN performance. I feel like I should get a commission from Aussiebroadband but I have been with them for a while and even their 12/1 plan is perfectly fine for browsing or streaming.

NBN performance is enough for me, but they keep on ringing me and threatening to fix my computer.

We now can access high speed internet anywhere in Australia thanks to US made Starlink satellites.
For $100 a month.
Without spending a dollar from government coffers somebody else promised to deliver us high speed internet to all rural and outback Australia.
But since I have already satellite on Geo Stationary orbit delivering maybe a bit slower and ping leggiest service for half a 1/3 price to my farm I don't need Elons top of the shelve service.
But maybe many other people do need.
Obviously for 100 bln dollars wasted on NBN we could build in the country decent electricity network with high voltage transmission lines.on another hand I am very surprised how resilient our Australian economy is.

In the face of global pandemic, lock down, international trade barriers, government massive money waste and bottom less military spending, falling iron ore prices- one may thinks that all those should reflect on county wealth.But real estate prices, vehicles and consumables suggest that money supply is virtually independent of reality in this lucky country.

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FormulaNova said..
How are people's general feeling about NBN performance. I feel like I should get a commission from Aussiebroadband but I have been with them for a while and even their 12/1 plan is perfectly fine for browsing or streaming.

+1 for Aussie Broadband. perfectly happy on their 25/10 plan. never experienced any issues

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FormulaNova said..

No one will know. Unless there are lots of subscribers in the same place, there should be plenty of bandwidth, but this can change from moment to moment.

I think there are few things you can do to check performance before you sign up. I would suggest to ask iinet about their CVC. That would give you an indication if you are likely to have a congestion. For example here is Aussie BB graph - I can select my POI and see they are below the Max. even at peak times -www.aussiebroadband.com.au/cvc-graphs/

look or ask for feedback on whirlpool - forums.whirlpool.net.au/ (scroll down to ISPs section)

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Macroscien said..
We now can access high speed internet anywhere in Australia thanks to US made Starlink satellites.
For $100 a month.
Without spending a dollar from government coffers somebody else promised to deliver us high speed internet to all rural and outback Australia.
But since I have already satellite on Geo Stationary orbit delivering maybe a bit slower and ping leggiest service for half a 1/3 price to my farm I don't need Elons top of the shelve service.
But maybe many other people do need.
Obviously for 100 bln dollars wasted on NBN we could build in the country decent electricity network with high voltage transmission lines.on another hand I am very surprised how resilient our Australian economy is.

In the face of global pandemic, lock down, international trade barriers, government massive money waste and bottom less military spending, falling iron ore prices- one may thinks that all those should reflect on county wealth.But real estate prices, vehicles and consumables suggest that money supply is virtually independent of reality in this lucky country.

I challenge you Macro. If you can go out tomorrow and order and get your Starlink internet connection within a month, I will pay you the $100. If you can't, you pay me the $100. I will be more generous and give you 3 months. Make it $300.

Your cows will die waiting for Elon's internet to get to your farm.

You can let the cows use 3G for the moment.

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FormulaNova said..
How are people's general feeling about NBN performance. I feel like I should get a commission from Aussiebroadband but I have been with them for a while and even their 12/1 plan is perfectly fine for browsing or streaming.

+1 for Aussie Broadband. perfectly happy on their 25/10 plan. never experienced any issues

FormulaNova said..

No one will know. Unless there are lots of subscribers in the same place, there should be plenty of bandwidth, but this can change from moment to moment.

I think there are few things you can do to check performance before you sign up. I would suggest to ask iinet about their CVC. That would give you an indication if you are likely to have a congestion. For example here is Aussie BB graph - I can select my POI and see they are below the Max. even at peak times -www.aussiebroadband.com.au/cvc-graphs/

look or ask for feedback on whirlpool - forums.whirlpool.net.au/ (scroll down to ISPs section)

Decrepit was asking about wireless from Iinet/TPG/Vodafone. I wonder if they make their link data available for wireless. I know that TPG have done well by over-subscribing their services, but if there are few users in the area it wouldn't matter anyway.

I chose ABB after reading whirlpool reviews, and so far its perfect.

It bugs me when I hear people talking about other ISPs and telling me the connection is slow or they need to talk to someone overseas when things go wrong. ABB don't have those problems.

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Macroscien said..Obviously for 100 bln dollars wasted on NBN we could build in the country decent electricity network with high voltage transmission lines.on another hand I am very surprised how resilient our Australian economy is.

LOL, we already have high voltage transmission lines in Australia - more than one, I promise you!

Macro, what is this bee you have in your bonnet about the electricity grid in Australia?

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Harrow said..

Macroscien said..Obviously for 100 bln dollars wasted on NBN we could build in the country decent electricity network with high voltage transmission lines.on another hand I am very surprised how resilient our Australian economy is.

LOL, we already have high voltage transmission lines in Australia - more than one, I promise you!

Macro, what is this bee you have in your bonnet about the electricity grid in Australia?

The point is that telecommunication network could be done very efficiently by private companies.
Competing about customer base and price and services, while investing own money,

Big infrastructure like railways , road, hydro projects and electric transmission lines that cross the country - depend on access to land.
Can not and should not be privately own. You don't want the land between Sydney and Brisbane , under motorway to be own by another milioner.
Investing in electric energy sector possibly yields the higher return for country as a whole.
You should be happy about that , More work and money for you if involved in projects.You should be first to ask for more, not constantly repeat that we have already enough.Beside that is realistically something we should be able to do here in Australia, without buying all the know how.
We spent 200 bln on submarines and planes that do absolutely no monetary gain for country but only serve as assents first to be sunk in serious conflict.
Looks like 21st century is about electricity and we are getting well behind- more like vaccination program- was a year behind - till somebody realized what needs to be done.Beside that goverment is spending billions on domestic solar panel - that is another economical absurd,.
Energy manufactured in big solar farms is 12x cheaper , but we have no means to transfer it.

Saudi Arabia is investing heavily into solar farms and cost of energy is around 1c per kwh.

www.popularmechanics.com/science/a30266828/worlds-cheapest-solar-farm/

You could not run aluminium smelters here on energy drawn from domestic solar installations.

I would rather see people here producing physical goods using this cheap electricity instead of all pretending to be IT specialists
earning fortune over internet network.
1 tone of copper on world stock market can always be exchanged on something, one tone of megabits will earn you nothing.

You can charge money for electrons?

What is the 4G telco reception like in your area? For $50 a month you can get some pretty big data plans from telco's.
If you are sticking with your ISP because of your email address then you can pay a minimal fee to keep the mail box alive until you sort out another email provider.

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Macroscien said..

The point is that telecommunication network could be done very efficiently by private companies.
Competing about customer base and price and services, while investing own money,

If this were true for everywhere, we would have broadband all over Australia before the NBN. But we didn't. It costs too much.
Private companies want to cherry-pick the good areas and leave the rest.

Have you bothered to look to see if you can actually get Starlink today? A few people seem to claim this, but the reality is very different. Know anyone with it? Know anyone that can tell you about it? Know anyone in a city that has it?

Thank god someone in government decided to deliver electricity to country areas. If private enterprise had to do it, imagine the cost!

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FormulaNova said..
...Private companies want to cherry-pick the good areas and leave the rest...

What, and you reckon the NBN didn't do exactly that, but on steroids ?

The picked the fruit and leaved the rest to satellite.

Perfectly good cable to my house now sits redundant. Tossed aside without a second thought like a local ALP aspirant in a outer Sydney electorate. Slow and laggy satellite connection replaces it. About as much use as a Canadian in the summer.

Can't wait for a private telco to put up a 5G tower so I can pay even more taxes to prop up the NBN.

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Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
...Private companies want to cherry-pick the good areas and leave the rest...

What, and you reckon the NBN didn't do exactly that, but on steroids ?

The picked the fruit and leaved the rest to satellite.

Perfectly good cable to my house now sits redundant. Tossed aside without a second thought like a local ALP aspirant in a outer Sydney electorate. Slow and laggy satellite connection replaces it. About as much use as a Canadian in the summer.

Can't wait for a private telco to put up a 5G tower so I can pay even more taxes to prop up the NBN.

Yeah, I can't tell when you are joking now or not. So I will answer as if you are not.

to the best of my knowledge:

NBN provides 2-way satellite services where there is no other way to get an NBN service.
They provide fixed wireless (effectively 3/4/5G) where they can.
They provide all the other FTTC, FTTN, FTTP services where they decide that they can justify the cost.

I used to work with satellite groups in a Telco, and 2-way satellite is not/was not cheap. Under NBN it is relatively cheap.

You have had some sort of cable internet service replaced with satellite? You lost out on that one! What sort of service was it?

There is no 3G service near you? You must be next to Macro's farm or something?

I was visiting a farm in WA that had an AirBnB place, and I think they were surprised that they had excellent 3G/4G reception, but they used 2-way satellite for their internet. Granted, not too many people travel with their own 3/4G modems and external antennas and know where to point them, but with a directional antenna they would have had perfect internet service and cheap too. I had better 'TV' using streaming than their regular FTA TV connection.

2-way satellite is a very wasteful way to use satellite bandwidth, but I guess some places cannot be serviced anywhere else.

"Macro's" Starlink service will have the capability to service almost everywhere and offer great speed and low latency, but they are only rolling out to remote areas. They only have licenses for this, not for cities, and at $100 a month they wouldn't be able to compete with NBN or wireless. They too need uplinks and I doubt they could just deliver a tonne of bandwidth anywhere.

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Google gets me this

Starlink is in its beta phase in Australia, with limited availability to customers in southern NSW and northern Victoria.
There are plans to expand to more of Australia in the future, with pre-orders now available to customers outside of the original beta areas of NSW and Victoria.
Currently, Starlink's Australian operating licence only allows it to provide service in "low and remote density areas", which mostly excludes capital cities (though not Canberra).


Can I get Starlink Internet now?

How much will Starlink cost in Australia?
In total, you're looking at a minimum spend of $950 to get Starlink in Australia.
You'll be paying for
:Plan fees: $139 a month for unlimited data
Hardware fees: $709 (includes Starlink dish, router, power supply, cables and mounting tripod)
Shipping fee: $100There is currently only 1 Starlink plan available (with unlimited data) during Starlink's beta period. Data caps may or may not be implemented in the future.
You're also required to pay a $139 deposit when you pre-order, which you can get refunded in full any time before your Starlink equipment ships.
While Starlink dishes are often set up on the ground, some people will need the extra height of their roof to establish a clear connection.
If you need to put the dish on your roof, you'll have to pay extra for a roof mount.

You also have to be south of 32°, so Qld is out.

Star link isn't cheaper or faster then 5G.But still better then Star Muster satellite I have now.
Lets remember that is only beginning for Star link with thousand satellites now and 40,000 near soon and laser link connections between.

www.finder.com.au/starlink

I suspect that now in the urban areas , with tops speeds and unlimited date there is room for "cheating' or internet sharing.
Five households/ families could share the same connection and split the cost.
Which mean $20

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Macroscien said..
Star link isn't cheaper or faster then 5G.But still better then Star Muster satellite I have now.
Lets remember that is only beginning for Star link with thousand satellites now and 40,000 near soon and laser link connections between.

www.finder.com.au/starlink

I suspect that now in the urban areas , with tops speeds and unlimited date there is room for "cheating' or internet sharing.
Five households/ families could share the same connection and split the cost.
Which mean $20

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

I hope Elon is putting a little cash aside to compensate all those people that get bopped on the head by some of his space junk.

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Harrow said..

Macroscien said..
Star link isn't cheaper or faster then 5G.But still better then Star Muster satellite I have now.
Lets remember that is only beginning for Star link with thousand satellites now and 40,000 near soon and laser link connections between.

www.finder.com.au/starlink

I suspect that now in the urban areas , with tops speeds and unlimited date there is room for "cheating' or internet sharing.
Five households/ families could share the same connection and split the cost.
Which mean $20

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

I hope Elon is putting a little cash aside to compensate all those people that get bopped on the head by some of his space junk.

You are absolutely right.
In the case that nation relay on this satellite service, one day everything may stop completely,
That is possibly why mix of different delivery methods is the safest way.But I should not worry about Elon finances.\
Scenario is prepared already.
After USA finish installing 40,000 satellites that will be one Chinese that mulfunction and started this chain reaction.
Then typical claim for compensation against China, Say 10 to 20 trillion dollars, freezing of all assets to secure debt, blockade till debt is repaid. Obviously there is nothing Chinese could do to prevent disaster. Malfunction could be easy arranged on demand.
So there will be really good deal for all Starlink customers, They all could claim damages against China and have instant compensation.Those on 5G have nothing to claim.

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Mr Milk said..

You also have to be south of 32°, so Qld is out.

not sure about that. I received invitation for trial at my 27 but as I said I don't need now and happy with Starmuster.