Ebola .......

i say, close their borders . and ours to any suspect travelers .

i cant believe no one is calling for this to happen yet !!!

what do you recon ?

Yeah I think its gonna take something drastic, or it will be everywhere...

I've been thinking about this for a while, but like everything else don't have much of a clue other than what you see on the news or the net.

My Missus works at the doctors and if it gets over here, I will be suggesting a career change, hopefully before it's too late.

Even with the single case in the USA there are bound to be few individuals that made contact but will be too busy to go through the 21 day quarantine.

Agreed, if you come from a infected area you get quarantined at your costs for 40 days full stop! The risk is big I believe and a do not trust what "informed medical" gov. payed staff is telling us about low risk. A risk of 0.1% is too much!

If we get an ebola outbreak close to where I live, I'm taking leave and heading back to the farm with plenty of provisions.

Yeah I have a few ideas in the pipeline too. Few islands off the coast.

It's going to be a long fishing trip.

nuke em....

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Haircut said..

Well, there goes Merica then (with its first confirmed case).

Yes close the boarders and check where they have been in the last year.

+ I am sick to death of these so called hero aid workers and volunteer aid workers putting everybody else at risk.
If they want to play hero's get up and help our aboriginal people .
There could sure do with it.

Don't trust the media! They love this sh.# ! Watch again someone has been in contact with her and now the contacts in mellbourne. Etc....... maybe tomorrow's news!

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bing1 said..
Yes close the boarders and check where they have been in the last year.

+ I am sick to death of these so called hero aid workers and volunteer aid workers putting everybody else at risk.
If they want to play hero's get up and help our aboriginal people .
There could sure do with it.

I understand your anger, but if you think they are 'hero aid workers' how about you go and volunteer your time and see how heroic you feel.

In these cases, a lot of these people that are helping nurse these people are dying themselves. So, its not really attention these people are after. You can't get that when you are dead.

I do agree though, that its a good idea to screen people a bit more carefully. I think this is a hard task these days. It seems only things like SARS and bird flu seem to force some groups to talk together to solve these problems. I have just finished watching another air crash episode and they point out that some of the 'fixes' to problems that are found are not implemented because the airlines don't justify the costs. Now, extend that to sharing data about where a passenger has been, and it becomes a problem. No one wants to pay for that ability unless they have to.

It would be good if people that think they are exposed were able to quarantine themselves, but where would they go. I would certainly trust the healthcare services here much more than Senegal. Maybe this is where some country needs to step up and offer to quarantine people until they have passed the period of infection. Unfortunately no individual country seems to want to do this.

Is that a repeat of old pre 2005 air crash? that's all I seem Get On this new digital Chanel !

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southace said..
Is that a repeat of old pre 2005 air crash? that's all I seem Get On this new digital Chanel !

I don't know. I think they are all repeats. That's what digital TV is for... repeated the same programs over and over again...

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FormulaNova said..
good stuff

You beat your head against the brick wall this time FN my head's still bleeding from the last redneck wonderland thread.

For the alarmists: Ebola is fairly easy to stop in 1st world countries. Not a real threat to our country, ever. Only "threat" is from mass medical asylum seeking from 3rd world neighbors - much more worrying for US than us.

OK KBD. Less name calling hey???

It's sort of a math equation, the patients need to be hospitalized and isolated so they don't infect other people and they don't have these facilities in Africa so each sick person is infecting several others right now and it's exploding. It does not look real good for parts of Africa, some places like Kenya and South Africa will completely shut their immigration and perhaps be ok but political correctness in the west will have it seem racist to shut off travel from these infected places and the potential for a mass outbreak of Ebola that could overcome our healthcare systems will be a real possibility. Imagine what it will do to our economies if people hole up in their homes and don't go to work for fear of infection.

prepare-now.com/prepper-supplies

I'm sorry but to spread this is disease you need to share bodily fluids. iE get vomited or shaton all over your face. Open a wound and rub up against said bodily flulids of another Infected person.

its not the zombie apocalypse.

its not hard to contain.

it doesnt spread like the flu, it's not airborne.

sure it's not good, but its not as hideous as it could be.

www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/ebola-virus-disease

Ebola then spreads through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and with surfaces and materials (e.g. bedding, clothing) contaminated with these fluids.Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola.People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

^^ Sorry, but that is not right. The World Health Organisation has admitted that:

"...wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus -- over a short distance -- to another nearby person," says a W.H.O. bulletin released this week. "This could happen when virus-laden heavy droplets are directly propelled, by coughing or sneezing..."

That same bulletin also says, "The Ebola virus can also be transmitted indirectly, by contact with previously contaminated surfaces and objects."

In other words, the WHO just confirmed what the CDC says is impossible -- that Ebola can be acquired by touching a contaminated surface.

www.naturalnews.com/047177_Ebola_transmission_direct_contact_aerosolized_particles.html

The nurse in Spain became sick after touching her face, once, that's all it took.
Each person that becomes sick must be isolated and cared for professionally or they will infect others, like rabbits breeding it will spread exponentially until infected people are either all dead or cared for in a manner to not spread the disease. Infected people transmit the virus to others before they come down with symptoms. There are not enough hospital beds and trained care givers to isolate and help people if it gets loose in the west.
People will have to be isolated and left to die just like in the middle ages, walled off cities.

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Beaglebuddy said..
The nurse in Spain became sick after touching her face, once, that's all it took.
Each person that becomes sick must be isolated and cared for professionally or they will infect others, like rabbits breeding it will spread exponentially until infected people are either all dead or cared for in a manner to not spread the disease. Infected people transmit the virus to others before they come down with symptoms. There are not enough hospital beds and trained care givers to isolate and help people if it gets loose in the west.
People will have to be isolated and left to die just like in the middle ages, walled off cities.

Apparently people cannot transmit the virus until they show symptoms.

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remo81 said..
OK KBD. Less name calling hey???

Oh the irony. This being your first post since being given a little time out for abuse?

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remo81 said..
OK KBD. Less name calling hey???

Oh the irony. This being your first post back since being given a little time out for ... ?

Initial symptoms are just an elevated temperature and the victim may not even be aware they are sick and contagious. Nurses are getting sick while wearing full protective gear. This disease is extremely contagious. Death rate is somewhere between 50 and 90 percent, 70% according to WHO. Even a small outbreak in the west will cause widespread hysteria.

hysteria is fun but let's inject some cool reality shall we?

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Beaglebuddy said..
Initial symptoms are just an elevated temperature and the victim may not even be aware they are sick and contagious.

not true.

A person infected with Ebola can?t spread the disease until symptoms appear
The time from exposure to when signs or symptoms of the disease appear
(the incubation period) is 2 to 21 days, but the average time is 8 to 10 days.
Signs of Ebola include fever (higher than 101.5?F) and symptoms like severe
headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, or unexplained
bleeding or bruising.
www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/what-need-to-know-ebola.pdf

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Beaglebuddy said..
Nurses are getting sick while wearing full protective gear.

One or a couple of nurses from thousands. Not due to it magically busting thru the protective gear. Due to not following proper procedures when removing protective gear.

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Beaglebuddy said..
This disease is extremely contagious.

No, in fact casual contact with a sufferer is classified as 'low risk behaviour" by cdc.
www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html

It requires body fluid to body fluid contact to transmit.

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Beaglebuddy said..
Even a small outbreak in the west will cause widespread hysteria.

Inaccurate & overexcited forum posts also assist in spreading widespread hysteria.

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kiteboy dave said..
hysteria is fun but let's inject some cool reality shall we?

Beaglebuddy said..
Initial symptoms are just an elevated temperature and the victim may not even be aware they are sick and contagious.

not true.

A person infected with Ebola can?t spread the disease until symptoms appear
The time from exposure to when signs or symptoms of the disease appear
(the incubation period) is 2 to 21 days, but the average time is 8 to 10 days.
Signs of Ebola include fever (higher than 101.5?F) and symptoms like severe
headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, or unexplained
bleeding or bruising.
www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/what-need-to-know-ebola.pdf

Beaglebuddy said..
Nurses are getting sick while wearing full protective gear.

One or a couple of nurses from thousands. Not due to it magically busting thru the protective gear. Due to not following proper procedures when removing protective gear.

Beaglebuddy said..
This disease is extremely contagious.

No, in fact casual contact with a sufferer is classified as 'low risk behaviour" by cdc.
www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html

It requires body fluid to body fluid contact to transmit.

Beaglebuddy said..
Even a small outbreak in the west will cause widespread hysteria.

Inaccurate & overexcited forum posts also assist in spreading widespread hysteria.

It appears the medical world isn't as "matter of fact" as you about ebola, maybe you should be consulting for them with the depth of knowledge that you have

I got my facts from the US Centre for Disease Control, CDC, as per links. If you want to argue with them, go ahead.

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Rex said..

It appears the medical world isn't as "matter of fact" as you about ebola, maybe you should be consulting for them with the depth of knowledge that you have

...and? I was expecting to see some facts. Is there some change in this virus that they don't know about that you do?

facts.??
This is an internet forum,.. not a repository of facts,..
It's a place for assumptions, and conjecture, and just plain 'made up stuff'. not to be at all confused with 'facts'.

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kiteboy dave said..
I got my facts from the US Centre for Disease Control, CDC, as per links. If you want to argue with them, go ahead.

And hows that working out for them so far