i'm guessing i know what the problem is in the world.

ok, i'll spell it out.... i n t o l e r a n c e

I heard in the news the Australian government was locking up men, women and children in prisons who apparently haven't committed any crimes.

Meanwhile people who commit serious crimes such as injuring police officers have their day in court and are let out to roam the streets of our fair towns.

Facism and nazi-ism followed by ethnic cleansing and outright mass murder happened in Germany in the 1930s because the GOOD people in Germany did nothing until it was too late.

We here should learn from that lesson. However it seems the only voices our pollies hear are those of the vociferous minorities such as the greenies, animal libbers and other assorted "do gooders".

I am sure that if the situation was reversed and it was boatloads of Australians trying to illegally enter Muslim countries, we would be shot at the borders.

The nations of "Western Civilisation" are being played for suckers because of our strong sense of fair play. Those that use it against us do not adhere to the same standards or rules.

Ask a western European, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian,or British person what they think about what has happened over there.

From the Australian point of view it is not a racist issue at all. It is plain and simply a "National Security" issue. Our generosity and tolerance is being played and preyed upon.

Protesting to the elected politicians I believe is a futile excercise as I believe they only do the bidding of the "Faceless Few". They have taken our guns from us and are flouridating our water so it looks like we are up the proverbial creek without paddles.

Time to "Wake Up Australia".

Gestalt said...
as i said originally,

the problem with the world today is intolerance,

Admittedly it is one of the problems of the world but possibly not the major one.

If in a neighbourhood of households where the majority of households accept a common set of rules (such as a Charter of Common Individual Rights), a household that subscribes to the Charter accepts a person from a non Charter household because it is one of the articles of the Charter.

Is it not then obligatory for the newcomer to accept and abide by the articles of the Charter, the major one being the concept of TOLERANCE of the rules and other occupants of the household??

cisco, i defiantely think people should accept and abide by australian rules if they move here.

but were do you draw the line. a simple example is the south africans i work with. they all still go for south africa in the cricket and rugby. i of course really wind them up about this......

Mark Aus,

i'm not saying that voicing a view that is not pro immigration is racist, or accusing you of being racist. i was pointing out that it's a fine line between patriotism and racism and that saying, one race of people may be terrorists etc purely because of their county or religion is prone to walking along that grey line. whether political correctness or not, innocence before being proven guilty and tolerance are things that sets australia apart from the rest of the world. that and our wicked sense of humour.

it's interesting that there has been a lot of studies into home grown terrorism in both the US and UK. what is being proven is that the second generation of immigrants are turning to extremist doctorines because they are feeling isolated and racially dissadvantaged.

some people feel that locking up assylum seekers doesn't work becasue of the reasons mentioned above regards tolerance and UN charters and is also prone to producing mentally unstable disaffected citizens.

theDoctor said...



to sumise the bigotism i'm reading here it kinda sounds like...
"fark off, we farked over the locals here to claim this place for ourselves well before youse cants, so we deserve it more"

yep!....for me my tolerance is spent...I have had a large number of years
being tolerant of others and really working at it for a few years now, when before it came naturally...

Totally had it up to here with our country changing for the worst.
Call me a racist now!..that's fine!..cause now I am!

no, not with a user name like gestalt

I stayed 2 nights with the asylam seekers befor bein deported,propper lockdown and laps arround the exercise yard kickin a ball,i never dropped the soap and slept with one eye open,,those boys came straight off the boat and into lock down and were still better off,one guy had been there for years and had learned to speak english fluent,the thing is they have got nothing to lose, at worst they get sent back with a education and after numorous appeals it can take years.I say if they prove worthy and love this land like me then thay should stay.

theDoctor said...



but it was christians who poisoned, hunted and wiped out the indigenous peoples of the world... africa, australia, north america, etc..

No it was white people who wanted to conquer other countries. IT WAS WRONG but there are major differences.
Rembering NOT to judge yesterday's actions by todays standards can you truthfully answer:

(1) is there anywhere in the bible.... (new testament, as that was in place during the crusades and later colonialism that you allude to) ..... that says non believers must be executed and should die (I think it says convert them, love the sinner but not the sin etc.... but the Koran says they must die.)

(2) did the christians go to another country, amalgamate / assimilate / etc, then two generations later they started to attack the other country from within ... children of refugees calling "us" and "them" and blowing sh!t up ????

(3) name a country invaded by christian (British?) colonialism where the indigenous people were "wiped out" ?? (You said it)
They still exist in all the countries you mentioned.... and in all 3 they have land rights.
I'm NOT saying what was done was RIGHT... but you said "wiped out": and that is obviously not the case.

DL , No Im not refering to before the white man colonized Aus ,my reference was to the time when we didnt have the amount of problems in society , many caused by religious beliefs of which most australians dont cause fear to society by carrying out violent acts based on religious beliefs, bali bombings,2 of, twin towers, madrid train bombings ,london bombings,and HUNDREDS of other attacks on inocent people throughout the world.
As I said years ago, Aus was pretty much void of all these actions, but if we keep letting anyone who floats a boat here free to walk in our community, there is no question that eventaully we too will have many of the problems that face much of the world today occuring here . I would hate to see the violent attacks that are happening regularly in the rest of the world become commonplace in Australia!

cisco said...



Quote "but the Koran says they must die."

Not sure that it exactly says that, but that is what the fundamentalists believe and that is their intention.

I think it does........


2: 191 And slay them wherever ye catch them

5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides

8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you

9:5 fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem

22:9 on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (note it does not say Allah will do it.... it says "We" (the Muslims) will do it)

“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

“Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day…. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed.... (Sura 9:5,29,41).

8:59-60 (depends on which translation but one of them is this:) “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”


I won't go on....

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.



here are some of the wars over the years based on religion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Cassa said...

Mm seems to me that alot of us here want the Australia we had 15 years ago,only trouble is the way they keep letting anyone who drops in in a wooden boat, we are going down the same path as England.
The problem is there is nowhere like Aus that you can move too to feel safe.(new country that is)
My next move is definitely going to be to the far north west of WA, on the coast somewhere like Exmouth , you can leave ya car unlocked everyone is friendly and the lifestyle (except for the heat) is like Aus of old!! You gota be happy with that.

My olds were " 2 pound poms" and had me in 79 , Springwood south of Brisbane.


So who here has Aussie roots past 2nd Gen???


I grew up East coast, Now west coast. 30 years later. Does that make me an Aussie????. I Dont care about Past credit or who's the best.............

Quicksilver released a movie over 10 years ago called ETR

Enjoy The Ride Crew.


this is how we Rowl

911 was an inside job....... www.loosechange911.com

there was more to bali bomb than has been reported on the idiot box...... foolmetwice