brown pants ???

Forget being eaten, I reckon the poor diver was probably in danger of drowning with the sharks tail thrashing around and damaging the scuba gear or knocking it out of his mouth.

Proves that shark do not like cage diving...

Was that a camera that the diver passed back to the crew? would like to see the in-cage footage if it was...

I don't reckon too many people would dispute that the cage diving industry plays at least a very small part in the increase in attacks over the last 10 years. Hopefully this video scares off some potential customers

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I don't reckon too many people would dispute that the cage diving industry plays at least a very small part in the increase in attacks over the last 10 years. Hopefully this video scares off some potential customers

Yeah, I agree. They are obviously learning not to fear humans, and that we taste a bit like tuna.

You can imagine its a pretty simple thing, humans around means good food.

How would you ever know the exact correlation though, unless you tagged and tracked every shark that has been encourage like this.

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I don't reckon too many people would dispute that the cage diving industry plays at least a very small part in the increase in attacks over the last 10 years. Hopefully this video scares off some potential customers

Im not a huge fan of cage diving, but i would place more blame on fisherman who feed sharks from their boats. Im not talking about losing a fish to a shark, but to the guys who sit and feed a shark when it swims past. Or the guys that go catch 18 snapper and haul them to the surface and wait for the shark to have its feed.. I have for along time warned customers of the dangers of throwing an anchor and jumping straight in. I suggest waiting for 5 minutes and make sure the coast is clear, before diving on in..

The dive master was in the cage, he swam out the bottom during the thrashing and was face to face with two other great whites so maybe he was a little busy to film..But i do hope the footage gets shared..

IT actually happens a bit more often than people think..Im not sure id ever cage dive TBH..

The diver must of had bad breath! Thats why the Great white got out real quick.shows how poorly built that cage was.

I dunno call me conservative but if I was making a dive cage id Shell out for a few extra bars so that there would be no room for a 4m white to squeeze through

I like shark cage diving. How about develop it further into shark cage fighting ? That would be the ultimate extreme sport, perhaps stupidity ? Isn't it amazing how people manage to find ways to attract more tourist dollars ? May be "Sports Bet" will soon wake up to the fact that another channel for revenue is there for the taking?

F-king stupid people !

Human! You are trapped in a cage! I will free you!

No one seems to know if there's even anyone in the cage....professional operation that one, not.

I dislike cage diving and know this is a major factor in the increase of shark attacks.
To see this video brings joy to my soul

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ThinkaBowtit said..
No one seems to know if there's even anyone in the cage....professional operation that one, not.

I think they are more concerned about whether he was still in there or eaten. The airline was a pretty good indicator they knew there was someone there.

Last time they buy a Chinese cage , looks ok , just not to built tough enough !
Good reason to only send the tourists down in that one .

Brown jocks for sure!

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FormulaNova said..

I think they are more concerned about whether he was still in there or eaten. The airline was a pretty good indicator they knew there was someone there.

Good point
Meanwhile, was there anyone in the other cage, watching that happen?

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Razzonater said..
I dislike cage diving and know this is a major factor in the increase of shark attacks.
To see this video brings joy to my soul

How do you feel about fishermen especially rec fishermen feeding sharks from their boats..Im not talking losing a fish to a shark, I'm talking consistent feeding to get video footage for their mates or TV

I find this just as much a problem to be honest..

Gotta disagree that cage diving is responsible for attacks on surfers/swimmers/spearos. I have no stake in any cage diving, btw. I think they DEFINITELY attract the whites to boats, as they get used to the sounds/appearance/scents etc, and associate it with a feed (Pavlov 101), but to surfers and swimmers in the shore zone? No way.

Think about it like a shark, instead of a human. The shark sees this cage-shaped thing at the back of this platform-shaped thing (boat), comes up, senses a slick of tuna and guts, sees a teaser (tuna or the like), and tries to grab it (usually fails as the bloke on the end of the rope pulls it away), and swims around to repeat the process a few times.

When the same shark sees a surfer near the shore, NONE of the above factors are at play. The shark doesn't know it's the same species (humans) as it sees out on the boat, so there's no correlation there, either. Just a long, seal/turtle-looking shape with two flipper-like appendages dangling in the water.

In summary, totally agree that they attract them to boats, but totally disagree that they are responsible for attacks inshore. The two are completely different scenarios.

Gotta disagree that cage diving is responsible for attacks on surfers/swimmers/spearos. I have no stake in any cage diving, btw. I think they DEFINITELY attract the whites to boats, as they get used to the sounds/appearance/scents etc, and associate it with a feed (Pavlov 101), but to surfers and swimmers in the shore zone? No way.

Think about it like a shark, instead of a human. The shark sees this cage-shaped thing at the back of this platform-shaped thing (boat), comes up, senses a slick of tuna and guts, sees a teaser (tuna or the like), and tries to grab it (usually fails as the bloke on the end of the rope pulls it away), and swims around to repeat the process a few times.

When the same shark sees a surfer near the shore, NONE of the above factors are at play. The shark doesn't know it's the same species (humans) as it sees out on the boat, so there's no correlation there, either. Just a long, seal/turtle-looking shape with two flipper-like appendages dangling in the water.

In summary, totally agree that they attract them to boats, but totally disagree that they are responsible for attacks inshore. The two are completely different scenarios.

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I don't reckon too many people would dispute that the cage diving industry plays at least a very small part in the increase in attacks over the last 10 years. Hopefully this video scares off some potential customers

Sharks associate boats with food the same way seagulls associate anyone at the beach with food.

I do wonder about the seagulls though; if I walk toward one they always keep a very big distance and fly away, but the only time they have interacted with people is when we feed them chips. Why are they still afraid?

Heard a story about a guy at Cronulla train station. He was feeding the gulls while waiting for the train. The train pulled up and doors opened, but he didn't get in. Then just before the doors closed he threw the box of chips into the train and all the seagulls followed. Doors closed and the train pulled away with the seagulls.

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Boxer101 said..
Gotta disagree that cage diving is responsible for attacks on surfers/swimmers/spearos. I have no stake in any cage diving, btw. I think they DEFINITELY attract the whites to boats, as they get used to the sounds/appearance/scents etc, and associate it with a feed (Pavlov 101), but to surfers and swimmers in the shore zone? No way.

Think about it like a shark, instead of a human. The shark sees this cage-shaped thing at the back of this platform-shaped thing (boat), comes up, senses a slick of tuna and guts, sees a teaser (tuna or the like), and tries to grab it (usually fails as the bloke on the end of the rope pulls it away), and swims around to repeat the process a few times.

When the same shark sees a surfer near the shore, NONE of the above factors are at play. The shark doesn't know it's the same species (humans) as it sees out on the boat, so there's no correlation there, either. Just a long, seal/turtle-looking shape with two flipper-like appendages dangling in the water.

In summary, totally agree that they attract them to boats, but totally disagree that they are responsible for attacks inshore. The two are completely different scenarios.

I understand what your saying, and not disagreeing with you. but if the sharks see boats as something that gives them a feed. Don't you occasionally see boats going past were surfers are? so using your scenario, they see a boat, come in to get a closer look but boat is gone and a few hundred meters away there is something else splashing around. You dont think they'd now go and check that out and see what it tastes like?
Were as in the past the noise's from boats used to scare them away?
I know in Cronulla boats fish within 50 to 100 metres of the break.

also story about the seaguls was in frankston (victoria), not cronulla, and i thinkit was a hoax. but i wouldn't be surprised if some copy cat did it as well.

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jonnulla said..

Boxer101 said..
Gotta disagree that cage diving is responsible for attacks on surfers/swimmers/spearos. I have no stake in any cage diving, btw. I think they DEFINITELY attract the whites to boats, as they get used to the sounds/appearance/scents etc, and associate it with a feed (Pavlov 101), but to surfers and swimmers in the shore zone? No way.

Think about it like a shark, instead of a human. The shark sees this cage-shaped thing at the back of this platform-shaped thing (boat), comes up, senses a slick of tuna and guts, sees a teaser (tuna or the like), and tries to grab it (usually fails as the bloke on the end of the rope pulls it away), and swims around to repeat the process a few times.

When the same shark sees a surfer near the shore, NONE of the above factors are at play. The shark doesn't know it's the same species (humans) as it sees out on the boat, so there's no correlation there, either. Just a long, seal/turtle-looking shape with two flipper-like appendages dangling in the water.

In summary, totally agree that they attract them to boats, but totally disagree that they are responsible for attacks inshore. The two are completely different scenarios.

I understand what your saying, and not disagreeing with you. but if the sharks see boats as something that gives them a feed. Don't you occasionally see boats going past were surfers are? so using your scenario, they see a boat, come in to get a closer look but boat is gone and a few hundred meters away there is something else splashing around. You dont think they'd now go and check that out and see what it tastes like?
Were as in the past the noise's from boats used to scare them away?
I know in Cronulla boats fish within 50 to 100 metres of the break.

also story about the seaguls was in frankston (victoria), not cronulla, and i thinkit was a hoax. but i wouldn't be surprised if some copy cat did it as well.

By the same idea though it could be cage diving boats, commercial fishing boats, Rec fishing boats, Tuna farms anything that feeds sharks really could be responsible. I don't think it really fair to simply single out one industry..

Out of all those industries though JB which is the one most likely to be actively seeking to interact with sharks.?

Personally I hate the practice and if I had my way cage diving would be banned tomorrow.

BTW Is there any truth to the rumour that Mick Fanning was in that cage that's why the shark freaked out and wanted out so quickly. ?

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tightlines said..
Out of all those industries though JB which is the one most likely to be actively seeking to interact with sharks.?

Personally I hate the practice and if I had my way cage diving would be banned tomorrow.

BTW Is there any truth to the rumour that Mick Fanning was in that cage that's why the shark freaked out and wanted out so quickly. ?

Yeah obviously CD but you could also argue that the sharks were already at Neptune island. If the cage diving stops they'll still be their..

However a guy sitting in Cockburn sound feeding 18 snapper to a great white, thats close to home and teaching the shark of a easy feed whilst on its travels up and down the coast. Id prefer to see feeding sharks from rec boats stopped especially on our doorstep..

I also struggle to see the link between cage diving in South Aus and attacks half a country away

Im not saying I'm for Cage diving, but i don't want to see energy waisted on things that won't make any difference. Also whats up with people who hate on Cage diving, but have no problem with Tuna farms parked on the SA doorstep also..Whats up with that.. Those things are shark magnets..

back in the 80s I saw the only dumb species that would come to the trawlers were the blue sharks off the coast of Namibia..and some of the crew would just catch them (that was easy) and kill them just because..you know..they were sharks

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jbshack said..

tightlines said..
Out of all those industries though JB which is the one most likely to be actively seeking to interact with sharks.?

Personally I hate the practice and if I had my way cage diving would be banned tomorrow.

BTW Is there any truth to the rumour that Mick Fanning was in that cage that's why the shark freaked out and wanted out so quickly. ?

Yeah obviously CD but you could also argue that the sharks were already at Neptune island. If the cage diving stops they'll still be their..

However a guy sitting in Cockburn sound feeding 18 snapper to a great white, thats close to home and teaching the shark of a easy feed whilst on its travels up and down the coast. Id prefer to see feeding sharks from rec boats stopped especially on our doorstep..

I also struggle to see the link between cage diving in South Aus and attacks half a country away

Im not saying I'm for Cage diving, but i don't want to see energy waisted on things that won't make any difference. Also whats up with people who hate on Cage diving, but have no problem with Tuna farms parked on the SA doorstep also..Whats up with that.. Those things are shark magnets..

Yep totally agree with that, anything that attracts sharks closer to shore is helping to contribute to the attacks.
I think one of main things that attract sharks close to surf breaks, in WA at least, is the commercial cray boats, with setting pots close to breaks and washing decks i.e. scraps and stuff overboard on there way in.

I see what you're saying, Jonnulla, but as JB said, there are also many other avenues these sharks associate boats with food. It's a very tricky one to apportion blame to.

By reasoning, rec boats are most certainly shark magnets, and the last thing they want around is sharks! Same with trawlers. I think the sharks that are attacking surfers are already there with their prey in mind, so any boat activity, I believe, would probably be incidental.

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mitchbat said..
I don't reckon too many people would dispute that the cage diving industry plays at least a very small part in the increase in attacks over the last 10 years. Hopefully this video scares off some potential customers

Yeah, I agree. They are obviously learning not to fear humans, and that we taste a bit like tuna.

You can imagine its a pretty simple thing, humans around means good food.

How would you ever know the exact correlation though, unless you tagged and tracked every shark that has been encourage like this.

Correlation?

Two things happened at same time. Cage diving and putting big sharks on the protected list.

Attacks went up.

Correlation in my mind.

I think we should assume those two caused increased attacks, until such time as science proves otherwise... cos aerial patrols and lots of talking is not making a difference.

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Mark _australia said..

FormulaNova said..

mitchbat said..
I don't reckon too many people would dispute that the cage diving industry plays at least a very small part in the increase in attacks over the last 10 years. Hopefully this video scares off some potential customers

Yeah, I agree. They are obviously learning not to fear humans, and that we taste a bit like tuna.

You can imagine its a pretty simple thing, humans around means good food.

How would you ever know the exact correlation though, unless you tagged and tracked every shark that has been encourage like this.

Correlation?

Two things happened at same time. Cage diving and putting big sharks on the protected list.

Attacks went up.

Correlation in my mind.

I think we should assume those two caused increased attacks, until such time as science proves otherwise... cos aerial patrols and lots of talking is not making a difference.

Majorly flawed argument. See above. I cannot see how anyone can place any correlation between cage diving and attacks. Science would prove this, if ever there was a study done on the matter. Yes, I think the protection of Whites, and thus increase in numbers, probably plays a big factor. But your correlation between cage diving and attacks is flawed on so many levels.

Other things happened that you also failed to mention: increased population using the water for recreation; increased boating; decreased fish availability due to heavy pro fishing; migration habits of prey; ...the list goes on.

I agree that aerial patrols and talking aren't the answer, though. Still, at least it's a start.

Also, I don't think that Whitey would be faring too well, right now. Blood from the gills is never good from a big shark. Surprised the greenies didn't pipe up about that. Then again, most of them probably wouldn't know anything about the subject they're 'protecting'.