The stimulus package is a welcomed thing but because it represents such a small percentage of our economy and only if it is spent soon and in one lump sum that is 2% I feel it will burn like a flame put to petrol.
Would not creating jobs putting in a pipeline from Up north and the benefits of water to all the drought stricken towns on the way down be a much better result for the money spent?

AndyShwartz said..
Is that you Colin?

This idea has been debunked so many times its irritating.

Yes, yes... very irrigating...

You gotta get out more Paradox; water and in particular the right to access it, is becoming one of the most sought after commodities in the modern world. Right now, it's plentiful sometimes here and we all have access but one day things may change and large pipelines will become viable, but you're right ............... not right now. But when do you invest for a future return?

I want it to be built so everybody shuts up about it. Any chance, drought, finance, jobs, farming..... for the past 50 years.

Side note,.. regardless of cost, i do think its a good idea. Without it there is no change,.. with it, we could transform into the worlds food bowl which I am sure would balance the cost.

But it will stay the sames and never change, shame really, would be cool to WA deasert transformed into the NE QLD lush farm lands.

Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.

The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.

Zzzzzz said..

Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.

The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.

Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future

Leave it long enough and the Chinese will do it.

You cannot possibly expect the abject collection of f^cktards in Canberra to come up with anything which will benefit the Australian public. They're incapable of planning beyond the next election and they even screw that up with frightening regularity.

I vote Zzzzzzzzzz for President of Australia,
You have so many great ideas to make this country, hell the world great again.
You need to move forward from Seabreeze
God be with you

Zzzzzz said..

Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.

The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.

Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future

Okay, what are the sums? How much will the pipeline cost? How much water will it deliver? How many square ks of crops, of what type, will it irrigate? How much will those crops be worth? Who will buy those crops at those prices? After all, if you want investment you must be able to show investors how they will profit from it.

Then please tell us exactly how you are going to deal with rising salinity etc. Also, where is this area of fertile soil and how deep is it?

How much will it cost to get sewerage from whatever city or town it will come from, up and into the fields? How many Australian farmers use human sewerage and will they use it? Will Aussies buy produce that uses human sewerage? Maybe they should, but when a Queensland town was asked whether they would use recycled water they turned the idea down.

What happens downstream of the source of all this nutrients? How will those watercourses cope?

Did you spend much of this summer dealing with a red alert due to blue green algae caused by low water levels and high nutrient loading? I did. It wasn't fun.

kiterboy said..

elmo said..
Yes you could build a pipeline to stimulate the economy' unfortunately it would be a year or two late.

engineering alone 6-12 months
acquiring land
acquiring materials
pumping stations
power supply for pumping stations

Why would you need pumping stations??

Derr.
Kununarra is at the top of WA, the water will just flow downhill to Perth.

Whoopsy-daisy... looks like someone has forgotten the earth is flat.

Mr Milk said..

Zzzzzz said..

Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.

The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.

Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future

Israel shows some water efficient agriculture, but they are still using too much.
www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-dying-of-the-dead-sea-70079351/

Do you have any idea how much water it takes to grow crops?
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cultivated-products-and-average-embedded-water-in-fruits-between-2004-and-2006-based-on_tbl2_227245099
Easy conversion from cubic m/tonne is that the number is exactly the same in litres/kg

Nice info.

Chris 249 said..

Mr Milk said..

Zzzzzz said..

Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.

The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.

Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future

Israel shows some water efficient agriculture, but they are still using too much.
www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-dying-of-the-dead-sea-70079351/

Do you have any idea how much water it takes to grow crops?
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cultivated-products-and-average-embedded-water-in-fruits-between-2004-and-2006-based-on_tbl2_227245099
Easy conversion from cubic m/tonne is that the number is exactly the same in litres/kg

Nice info.

Just an opinion Chris

Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.

Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.

sn said..
Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.

Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.

This WAS an absolute engineering marvel of the world. Well worth reading up on for those interested in such things.

mazdon said..

sn said..
Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.

Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.

This WAS an absolute engineering marvel of the world. Well worth reading up on for those interested in such things.

It's something I never knew about, so thanks sn. But I can't see any significant greening on pics or Google maps.

Zzzzzz said..


Very good questions Chris , I have no idea but I do know that most of The stimulus payments made to to the Newstart payments will be pissed up the wall in general .

That's exactly why they're getting the money, they'll tip it straight back into the retail economy, whether it be drugs or TV's they can be trusted to spend it, and spend it quickly. Unlike the sensible folk that will pop it into a bank account and leave it there.

mazdon said..

sn said..
Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.

Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.

This WAS an absolute engineering marvel of the world. Well worth reading up on for those interested in such things.

It was a marvel.

Libya was is similar to Australia in that their wheat industry can be very productive but is subject to cyclical droughts. The Roman empire used to source a lot of their wheat in Libya. The scheme intended to insure that the food supply was uninterrupted.

And yes, before the international banks lackeys in NATO had finished trashing the scheme along with a lot of Libya they had set up a central bank branch to deal with oil transactions,

Which was the objective right from the start.