If Saturn failed to stop Jupiter charging into the inner solar system, what became the Earth, would have become a small part of a massive gas giant planet rapidly orbiting the sun.

Its pretty freaky and amazing.

Look at the Moon, the Earth, the Sun. All perfectly aligned.

Truely amazing. We ignore what faces us.

Something is going on.

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Mobydisc said..
Look at the Moon, the Earth, the Sun. All perfectly aligned.

Truely amazing. We ignore what faces us.

Something is going on.

Is there some subtle message in this post? What has saturn been doing while we have been concentrating on bushfires and WW2 droughts?

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Mobydisc said..
All perfectly aligned.

Really? The Moon is receding from the earth, and always has been ie. it's alignment is in a constant state of flux.

Something *is* going on....just don't hold your breath.

WTF is going on??

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bjw said..
WTF is going on??

It's tin foil hat kinda stuff bjw , we don't need to worry about it.

Due to the fact the sun is moving at about 700,000 Km/hr, any object that didn't have an orbit aligned with its' direction of travel, would have been jettisoned into space. And the gravity of these objects orbiting the sun, pulled them into the same plane. How that for bulls#1t

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Crusoe said..
Due to the fact the sun is moving at about 700,000 Km/hr, any object that didn't have an orbit aligned with its' direction of travel, would have been jettisoned into space. And the gravity of these objects orbiting the sun, pulled them into the same plane. How that for bulls#1t

Oh, I understand the context now... someone is suggesting that its wrong that the orbits would all align for the planets? Is that it? Crazy.

Lets ignore the suggestions about why it is, because its probably one of those easily explained results of simple physics.

If it were artificial and someone made it up, why couldn't they just make it up however they wanted? If 'they' were afraid of getting found out, 'they' could just set it up anyway they wanted, even if it was to stop idiots thinking it was a conspiracy theory.

Now, even a couple of minutes thought about it suggests that each planet has its own gravity and affects those around it, and no doubt, being gravity, places a pull onto each other planet. They were made up from debris that was circling the sun. Why wouldn't they end up in clumps that circled in the same plane?

I wouldn't even be surprised if the alignment of planets and even the relative sizes of them to each other is pretty common across the universe and creates a similar pattern. Maybe one day we will find out?

Did you know, all the planets in our Solar System can fit between the Earth and the moon?

Something is going on!

WTF is it?

Whoaaaaaaa

I just blew all your minds up

Booooom

Clean up on aisle 3

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Windpasser said..
I just blew all your minds up

Booooom

That's definitely a more efficient use of space. But might mess with the tides a bit though.

Come on folks! Debunkers?

How is this possible?

What about Apogee and Perigee?

What about Axis alignment and planet bulge and elliptical orbits?

Something is going on

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Pluto is no longer a planet. Clearly a conspiracy going on here.



Windpasser said..
I just blew all your minds up

Booooom

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Windpasser said..
Come on folks! Debunkers?

How is this possible?

What about Apogee and Perigee?

What about Axis alignment and planet bulge and elliptical orbits?

Something is going on

Am I missing something. This does not sound at all like anything spectacular, just a curiosity.

Also, where do you draw the line. Do you believe its all a conspiracy and believe we are all on a flat earth or do you then question the geometry of the solar system?

I am sure there are some maths that can explain all this and how it stays in equilibrium, at least for the moment.

Sometimes things are really simple. Yesterday I watched a youtube video (source of all truth!) and it showed the curious effect of a wingnut flipping over when spun in space, and how that applies to other things and why. Interesting, but also able to be explained. They also mentioned that people thought the Earth might be in danger of something similar until they looked at why.

I also watched an SBS program called 'in the shadow of the moon'. How cool was it that 'we' made it to the moon on such low tech equipment and had relatively few problems? Not really worth visiting there, but still an accomplishment!

At the end of the program they obviously asked the astronauts that went there what they thought of the people that claimed it was faked in a studio in Nevada. They were not impressed!

Oh i thought this was a devil worshipping thread misread the title sorry.

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Mobydisc said..
Look at the Moon, the Earth, the Sun. All perfectly aligned.

Truely amazing. We ignore what faces us.

Something is going on.

Earth and Sun and Moon was a pretty good Oils album....
I thought it aligned well, and yes truly amazing to amp up pre-surf.

Forget Saturn... most of the news is coming out of Uranus at the moment!!

Saturn stopped Jupiter from consuming Mars, Earth, Venus and probably Mercury.

Examination of other solar systems indicate large gas giants in close orbit to their sun are quite common. So it seems like what happened in our solar system is special.

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Mobydisc said..
Saturn stopped Jupiter from consuming Mars, Earth, Venus and probably Mercury.

Examination of other solar systems indicate large gas giants in close orbit to their sun are quite common. So it seems like what happened in our solar system is special.

Special? In what way? Sure, there are systems with predominantly gas giant planets but there are also systems like Kepler-452. Rocky planets. Kepler-186. Rocky planets. Gliese-581. Rocky planets. And as instruments get better (Kepler space telescope and the ASKAP and SKA radio telescopes for example) we're going to find more.

Maybe what happened in our system is rare. Or very improbable. But - in a system as large as the observable universe, rare and very improbable (and bordering on impossible) events happen all the time.

So no. Not "special". Interesting.

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GeoffD said..

Maybe what happened in our system is rare. Or very improbable. But - in a system as large as the observable universe, rare and very improbable (and bordering on impossible) events happen all the time.

So no. Not "special". Interesting.

Well, it could be special, and another way of looking at it is that we could be here relatively alone because maybe it does need something special to lead to life?

If every other solar system looked the same as ours, maybe we would ask the question why there has been no life forms contact us?

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FormulaNova said..

GeoffD said..

Maybe what happened in our system is rare. Or very improbable. But - in a system as large as the observable universe, rare and very improbable (and bordering on impossible) events happen all the time.

So no. Not "special". Interesting.

Well, it could be special, and another way of looking at it is that we could be here relatively alone because maybe it does need something special to lead to life?

If every other solar system looked the same as ours, maybe we would ask the question why there has been no life forms contact us?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
"The Great Filter[edit]
With no evidence of intelligent life other than ourselves, it appears that the process of starting with a star and ending with "advanced explosive lasting life" must be unlikely. This implies that at least one step in this process must be improbable. Hanson's list, while incomplete, describes the following nine steps in an "evolutionary path" that results in the colonization of the observable universe:

The right star system (including organics and potentially habitable planets)
Reproductive molecules (e.g. RNA)
Simple (prokaryotic) single-cell life
Complex (eukaryotic) single-cell life
Sexual reproduction
Multi-cell life
Tool-using animals with intelligence
Where we are now[clarification needed]
Colonization explosion
According to the Great Filter hypothesis at least one of these steps-if the list were complete-must be improbable. If it's not an early step (i.e., in our past), then the implication is that the improbable step lies in our future and our prospects of reaching step 9 (interstellar colonization) are still bleak. If the past steps are likely, then many civilizations would have developed to the current level of the human species. However, none appear to have made it to step 9, or the Milky Way would be full of colonies"

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Ian K said..

FormulaNova said..

GeoffD said..

Maybe what happened in our system is rare. Or very improbable. But - in a system as large as the observable universe, rare and very improbable (and bordering on impossible) events happen all the time.

So no. Not "special". Interesting.

Well, it could be special, and another way of looking at it is that we could be here relatively alone because maybe it does need something special to lead to life?

If every other solar system looked the same as ours, maybe we would ask the question why there has been no life forms contact us?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
"The Great Filter[edit]
With no evidence of intelligent life other than ourselves, it appears that the process of starting with a star and ending with "advanced explosive lasting life" must be unlikely. This implies that at least one step in this process must be improbable. Hanson's list, while incomplete, describes the following nine steps in an "evolutionary path" that results in the colonization of the observable universe:

The right star system (including organics and potentially habitable planets)
Reproductive molecules (e.g. RNA)
Simple (prokaryotic) single-cell life
Complex (eukaryotic) single-cell life
Sexual reproduction
Multi-cell life
Tool-using animals with intelligence
Where we are now[clarification needed]
Colonization explosion
According to the Great Filter hypothesis at least one of these steps-if the list were complete-must be improbable. If it's not an early step (i.e., in our past), then the implication is that the improbable step lies in our future and our prospects of reaching step 9 (interstellar colonization) are still bleak. If the past steps are likely, then many civilizations would have developed to the current level of the human species. However, none appear to have made it to step 9, or the Milky Way would be full of colonies"

And:
We have had life on this planet for over a billion years and only have detectable , ( for nearby solar systems , and for us to detect ) , signals for just over fifty years. The chance for a close by , advanced civilisation to have something similar at the same time would be unlikely. And for other galaxies , because they are so far away , if we did get a signal , by the time they get our response, there probably not there anymore.
We have detected odd sounds , not all explainable . What if that was a signal sent two hundred years ago ?

ps: And what about technology compatibility?
I bought a new desktop computer two days ago and asked the dood where is the CD slot . He looked at me and said , " there is no slot , it's all USB nowadays ".
I remember sticking my finger in a numbered hole and spinning a dial for every number to make a phone call. Now they have this new fandangled skype , or something like that .

Well with so many stars and planets in the galaxy either we're alone or we arise all over the place. If so there'd have to be a version of us that got a head start of 1 billion years. That's 1,000,000,050 years to invent hyper sleep and colonise the galaxy. Where are they? Or do they always self destruct before that?

^^^ or one planet was created with life.
or life evolving is so so unlikely that it DID actually only occur in one place.

Using Occams Razor, its very hard to pick which one we should believe in. All make sense but all require some serious assumption

You're right Mark. Philosophically both are possible however, I find it extraordinarily hard to believe that billions of galaxies with billions of stars and planets exist just so our muniscule existence can take place. That would be highly unlikely.

I do refute your use of the word "created". For that there is most certainly no proof whatsoever.

Perhaps the building blocks of life came to earth through meteors, but that still means it developed elsewhere first.

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holy guacamole said..

Perhaps the building blocks of life came to earth through meteors, but that still means it developed elsewhere first.

Or not - there is also the abiogenesis hypothesis, starting with the Miller-Urey experiment from the 1950s.
abenteuer-universum.de/pdf/miller_1953.pdf

While there is no current, standardised accepted model for the start of life on earth, research is ongoing

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FormulaNova said..

Well, it could be special, and another way of looking at it is that we could be here relatively alone because maybe it does need something special to lead to life?

If every other solar system looked the same as ours, maybe we would ask the question why there has been no life forms contact us?

I think it certainly does require a very rare set of circumstances, yes. And even if there are other life forms elsewhere in the galaxy, the distances involved are going to be a show stopper for any real chance of communication. And based on the currently understood laws of physics, the speed of light may well be the concrete limit.

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Ian K said..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
"The Great Filter[edit]
With no evidence of intelligent life other than ourselves, it appears that the process of starting with a star and ending with "advanced explosive lasting life" must be unlikely. This implies that at least one step in this process must be improbable. Hanson's list, while incomplete, describes the following nine steps in an "evolutionary path" that results in the colonization of the observable universe:

The right star system (including organics and potentially habitable planets)
Reproductive molecules (e.g. RNA)
Simple (prokaryotic) single-cell life
Complex (eukaryotic) single-cell life
Sexual reproduction
Multi-cell life
Tool-using animals with intelligence
Where we are now[clarification needed]
Colonization explosion
According to the Great Filter hypothesis at least one of these steps-if the list were complete-must be improbable. If it's not an early step (i.e., in our past), then the implication is that the improbable step lies in our future and our prospects of reaching step 9 (interstellar colonization) are still bleak. If the past steps are likely, then many civilizations would have developed to the current level of the human species. However, none appear to have made it to step 9, or the Milky Way would be full of colonies"

Ian, don't know if you've seen this, but it's a great description of the Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter. (I've put it up before in another thread, so apologies if you've already seen it).

waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

The original estimate in this article of the number of galaxies in the observable universe was around 500 billion, but recent examinations of the Hubble Deep Field suggests that the number is closer to two trillion.

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Crusoe said..
Due to the fact the sun is moving at about 700,000 Km/hr, any object that didn't have an orbit aligned with its' direction of travel, would have been jettisoned into space. And the gravity of these objects orbiting the sun, pulled them into the same plane. How that for bulls#1t

Technically the planets aren't orbiting the Sun, they are orbiting the point that is the sum of all the planets (and Sun's) gravitational pull. As is the Sun itself. How's that for bull****?

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Ian K said..
Well with so many stars and planets in the galaxy either we're alone or we arise all over the place. If so there'd have to be a version of us that got a head start of 1 billion years. That's 1,000,000,050 years to invent hyper sleep and colonise the galaxy. Where are they? Or do they always self destruct before that?

They're in cyberspace.

No, seriously. That's a very possible future. Minimal resources and as much inner space to explore and "live in" as we need.

Why wouldn't that have happened to other civilisations? We've only had it a few decades and we already can't get off it.

This "solves" Fermi's Paradox quite nicely.

Watch Acension on the Netflix

Is it wrong to give them life and then show them everything they are missing?

Maybe just enjoy each day