I watched a show where they had installed ten 100mm PVC pipes across a property with about 3 meters between each pipe and ran water through only one of them. Then a bunch of water diviners took turns trying to find which one had the water running in it. They repeated it many times, changing which pipe had the water in it. No-one was able to get it right more than the 1 in 10 chance.

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Harrow said..
I watched a show where they had installed ten 100mm PVC pipes across a property with about 3 meters between each pipe and ran water through only one of them. Then a bunch of water diviners took turns trying to find which one had the water running in it. They repeated it many times, changing which pipe had the water in it. No-one was able to get it right more than the 1 in 10 chance.

Yeah cos its a load of crock , magic does not happen !
After about the age of eight it should be pretty obvious.

Not being a believer I tried it myself and yes it works ..but it doesn't just mean water because you can pick up empty pipes edge of a well cracks in cement etc so its something else gravity? Who knows

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I think there have been tests on water divining and it's accuracy. Basically they all find it is rubbish with no accuracy above random chance.

with doesn't explain to me why the wires move, and move opposite in the other direction, they just do

It's a magical force called tilting.

had a friend years ago build a plate with e the wires sitting in bearings which we slid across the area on a timber board .buried pipe underneath..when water running it worked. at the end of the day there is a great satisfaction in holding the wires ,knowing your doing nothing and the wires move

My father was a Physicist, wrote textbooks for the Nuclear Science Foundation and taught physics for 30 years.

Before that he was born on a farm, and went farming on his own for a period.....he did not believe in any "mumbo jumbo" except one...... water divining....he had seen it carried out many times for success, mostly on dead flat plains where knowledge of the topography could not give you a clue.

He could not explain it.

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My father was a Physicist, wrote textbooks for the Nuclear Science Foundation and taught physics for 30 years.

Before that he was born on a farm, and went farming on his own for a period.....he did not believe in any "mumbo jumbo" except one...... water divining....he had seen it carried out many times for success, mostly on dead flat plains where knowledge of the topography could not give you a clue.

He could not explain it.

Its interesting how people who otherwise are very worldly and don't believe in any "mumbo jumbo" tend to make an exception when it comes to their own personal experience. They accept on face value something that cannot be measured.

I guess its due to viewing the results of what can't be measured.

The water driller rang me again to see if I was still interested in drilling. I said I'll have to wait till later. I asked how it was going for them. He said they were busy. I then asked how their strike rate for water was. He said they were very successful. I really have reason to doubt what he said as apparently they get good results.

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Agent nods said..
My father was a Physicist, wrote textbooks for the Nuclear Science Foundation and taught physics for 30 years.

Before that he was born on a farm, and went farming on his own for a period.....he did not believe in any "mumbo jumbo" except one...... water divining....he had seen it carried out many times for success, mostly on dead flat plains where knowledge of the topography could not give you a clue.

He could not explain it.

Its interesting how people who otherwise are very worldly and don't believe in any "mumbo jumbo" tend to make an exception when it comes to their own personal experience. They accept on face value something that cannot be measured.

I guess its due to viewing the results of what can't be measured.

The water driller rang me again to see if I was still interested in drilling. I said I'll have to wait till later. I asked how it was going for them. He said they were busy. I then asked how their strike rate for water was. He said they were very successful. I really have reason to doubt what he said as apparently they get good results.

I mean I really have no reason to doubt what he advised me. To be honest I really don't know and am glad its started raining again up there.

I'll put the money into water tanks, pumps, switch floats, gutters and stuff that like that.

Well it's been pissing down rain there. Gutters were fixed up along with drain pipes. So minimal cost for a good result.

However all this rain makes me think of the rain water seeping into the ground. Very little rain runs off into water courses unless the rain is extremely heavy and persistent. So an enormous amount of water must go and is sitting in the ground.

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Well it's been pissing down rain there. Gutters were fixed up along with drain pipes. So minimal cost for a good result.

However all this rain makes me think of the rain water seeping into the ground. Very little rain runs off into water courses unless the rain is extremely heavy and persistent. So an enormous amount of water must go and is sitting in the ground.

That's good news.

Did you get the tank plumbed in before the rain came?

When I was up at Kitesurfari a few years ago I was surprised that they used poly water tanks as cabins, and I am surprised at how cheap these sort of tanks are. I guess if you do have the rainfall it makes sense to store it.

Maybe this is a new form of Australian farming. Have a huge tin shed just to collect water and big tanks to keep it.

The tank is freestanding. I guess around 20,000 litres. It is not connected to anything yet. We talked to a fellow who does irrigation work for a local shop. One flaw in my plan he identified was using a small tank as a holding tank. I was planning to get a tank around 1000 litres to be used as a holding tank before irrigation. He suggested using a bigger tank as the bigger tank will mean the pump needs to be switched off and on less plus the greater water volume will provide more water pressure for irrigation.

Looking at tank prices they seem to go up in a regression as volume goes up. So a 1000 litre tank costs something like $500 to $700. A 2000 litre tank costs maybe $900. Meanwhile a 20,000 litre tank costs around $2500. There is the space to install a bigger tank but some earth worms will be requires to build a base for the tank. The other plus of a bigger tank is it will greatly increase water storage capacity.

I'm getting into vermiculture, worm farming, and have witnessed how worm excrement really boosts plant growth. Worm **** and piss is absolutely saturated with bacteria & nutrients plants love. So I've started a worm colony on the farm. Basically it's just pile of cattle manure in a shaded area that has been soaked with water. Earth worms will head to this pile. Introduced into the pile are some of my little composting worms too. If the composting worm colony survives then I'll try to build a worm farm to collect their excrement to use on the trees.

I would like to try introduce the worm excrement into the tree irrigation system without contaminating what could be drinking water. I'm thinking of having small tank connected to the main irrigation pipe. This tank would be filled with the worm excrement to mix in with the irrigation water.

At least some people are doing what you suggest. I bought a little garden tractor off a fellow who does what you suggest, having a large number of water tanks storing water collected off the roof of a big shed.

I think eventually I'd like to have a bore too. Eventually even the biggest storage system of hundreds of thousands of litres, will run out of it has not rained for a long time.

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Agent nods said..
My father was a Physicist, wrote textbooks for the Nuclear Science Foundation and taught physics for 30 years.

Before that he was born on a farm, and went farming on his own for a period.....he did not believe in any "mumbo jumbo" except one...... water divining....he had seen it carried out many times for success, mostly on dead flat plains where knowledge of the topography could not give you a clue.

He could not explain it.

Einstein was misguided on a number of occasions too...

" Maybe this is a new form of Australian farming. Have a huge tin shed just to collect water and big tanks to keep it "
Absolutely , soft water makes farming less complicated and you can never have to much storage. My farm consumes 3000L per day in peak summer so 8 x 22,500 squats were required and it's only a babicino compared to others.Grab it any way you can

Moby , If your fertigating ( worm juice ) from only a primary source you can diy a venturi system like this and adjust the flow accordingly , instead of oxygen you use your juicy goodness .. with a regularly cleaned filter.
If you can afford it NETAFIM is the industry standard

You must be loving the recent weather we have had.

What do you grow undercover?

Very happy farmers all round here , I grow mostly herbs now and some leafy products . Protected cropping can't be beat especially with fungus susceptible plants and harvesting is much more enjoyable without an umbrella

Adam, your last paragraph saying it's probably the micro senses in our bodies, is spot on.
Water divining or any other substance can be found underneath us using these simple techniques. For one, you have to have an open mind. Secondly, patience, and most importantly intuition. The rods and sticks used are just "amplifiers" of the sensations we all feel, but mostly ignore on a daily basis. Divining can also be used from gauging emotional status, finding underground objects, mapping, lost objects, and even weather forecasting.
The technique is not science fiction and it's purely based on frequencies that are emitted by all objects, even ourselves.

A fellow who does some work on the farm tried dowsing the area. He identified a broad area of water underground. I guess over many thousands of years rain seeps into the earth and then is caught in the rocks till it hits something like a layer of clay.

So we will probably give it a go and get a bore drilled. If the water is as dowsed by the old bloke, around 30m deep the cost to drill that deep will be around $12k.

As northetnkites explains there is something to it.

Long long long ago when I was a wee 16yr old lad with Telecom ( anyone remember that company) during a training course we tried a divining method to locate pipes about 3 feet underground, balancing a crowbar in the fingers of one hand, actually worked for some of us, not everyone. There is something to it, I could do it but cannot explain the experience other than the front of the crowbar would point downwards at a certain point and when we used an electronic cable/pipe locator it pinpointed same spot. So I do believe in water divining.

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Adam, your last paragraph saying it's probably the micro senses in our bodies, is spot on.
Water divining or any other substance can be found underneath us using these simple techniques. For one, you have to have an open mind. Secondly, patience, and most importantly intuition. The rods and sticks used are just "amplifiers" of the sensations we all feel, but mostly ignore on a daily basis. Divining can also be used from gauging emotional status, finding underground objects, mapping, lost objects, and even weather forecasting.
The technique is not science fiction and it's purely based on frequencies that are emitted by all objects, even ourselves.

Frequencies of what?

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NorthernKitesAUS said..
Adam, your last paragraph saying it's probably the micro senses in our bodies, is spot on.
Water divining or any other substance can be found underneath us using these simple techniques. For one, you have to have an open mind. Secondly, patience, and most importantly intuition. The rods and sticks used are just "amplifiers" of the sensations we all feel, but mostly ignore on a daily basis. Divining can also be used from gauging emotional status, finding underground objects, mapping, lost objects, and even weather forecasting.
The technique is not science fiction and it's purely based on frequencies that are emitted by all objects, even ourselves.

Frequencies of what?

"sympathetic frequencies"

Reference:
www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-frequency-of-the-human-body-is.231156/

A typical human eye will respond to wavelengths from about 390 to 700 nanometers. In terms of frequency, this corresponds to a band in the vicinity of 430-770 THz. In terms of hearing, we hear up to 20,000Hz. So if light and sound, are actual physical entities with weight (yes light does have a weight - science.howstuffworks.com/light-weigh.htm), therefore light and sound have a frequency. So does water have a frequency? yes of course... depending on molecules and other particles (physics.stackexchange.com/questions/169173/what-is-the-resonant-frequency-of-liquid-water). So if water has a frequency, and the earth, the rocks, and even air then they all affect us in some way which we consciously do not detect, due to distractions in life - living. But with a dowsing rod, you "amplify" those frequency collisions with your body, hence why it works.

If we can detect water 'frequencies', why are we not swamped by the water in our own bodies?

What evolutionary method would lead us to evolving water detection capabilities?

How is it that a branch or a rod or anything else can amplify these frequencies?

What is the organ that is sensing these frequencies?

Or is it just random luck that if you dig deep enough you are probably going to hit water at some point, and combined with a little superficial knowledge of terrain your could probably increase your chances of hitting it earlier.

After reading about hydrology it's pretty clear water is widespread underground. It's basically everywhere seeping down from rains over year after year. So I reckon as a diviner you have a better than even chance of striking water.

I found a website explaining how to dig a bore with PVC pipes, a drill bit and water pressure. I'm half tempted to give it a go down the bottom of a hill on my farm. There is a gully there flowing into a dam. I'd hire a pump to supply water for the drilling, pumping water out of the dam under high pressure, a crucial need in drilling.

However I now think water tanks collecting rain water is the go. If over time I get about seven 20,000 litre tanks connected together, sitting parallel, I think this will be enough to get supply water through driest of times. They cost about $2500 a pop. They would also require effort to level out a site for them. I'd imagine it would cost about $100 in fittings to connect them up. I'd prefer them to be linked from the top with the overflow of the first flowing into the second, flowing into the third and so forth.

However the idea of a bore supplying just say 100 litres of good fresh water a minute is very appealing as it would make my farming operation independent of the weather.

Ideally both.
It depends on your budget , what and how your farming.
NFT Hydroponics ( closed system ) = ONLY soft water
Drip Fed Media based ( open , run to waste system ) = either
Soil/Ground based Crops = either
Usually deep bores are pathogen free where Surface catchments are generally contaminated requiring sanitation. As I've learnt this is not to be overlooked.
Bores have Dissolved solids which are problematic and require skill to soften for reliability in certain situations
If I had my time again I would dig a big arse very deep clay lined dam and use reverse osmosis , the dam would also double up to cool your water to your desired temperature when needed .
Not so different from these guys

What is reverse osmosis?

An osmotic water purification process..using semi-permeable membranes. Pros and cons..

http://www.reverseosmosis.com.au/webcontent4.htm
Bruce Dey designed and maintains the Guyra blush tomato farm's water purification plant.
He informed me 99.9% pure water was not good enough so he designed a 7th stage ( for gas-blah,blah can't remember? ) filter/membrane? which was a first of it's kind to the plant.
The cheaper units waste more water than the top end ones and Osmosis is better suited to dams or streams so I'm told
Give him a call he is a cool cat

Sure but pure water is not that healthy....all the minerals and trace elements have been removed too....you need to remineralise before drinking.

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After reading about hydrology it's pretty clear water is widespread underground. It's basically everywhere seeping down from rains over year after year. So I reckon as a diviner you have a better than even chance of striking water.

I found a website explaining how to dig a bore with PVC pipes, a drill bit and water pressure. I'm half tempted to give it a go down the bottom of a hill on my farm. There is a gully there flowing into a dam. I'd hire a pump to supply water for the drilling, pumping water out of the dam under high pressure, a crucial need in drilling.

However I now think water tanks collecting rain water is the go. If over time I get about seven 20,000 litre tanks connected together, sitting parallel, I think this will be enough to get supply water through driest of times. They cost about $2500 a pop. They would also require effort to level out a site for them. I'd imagine it would cost about $100 in fittings to connect them up. I'd prefer them to be linked from the top with the overflow of the first flowing into the second, flowing into the third and so forth.

However the idea of a bore supplying just say 100 litres of good fresh water a minute is very appealing as it would make my farming operation independent of the weather.

Hydrology = study of water on the surface.

Hydrogeology = study of water underground.

Geomorphology = study of the physical features of earth surface.

Want to find water? Add a little geology and understand these three things.

Get yourself a geology map, look for the permeable rocks and the faults. Study the surface for lineaments which might be faults. You can download all this stuff for free from your local geol survey... Jeepers, they probably even have a hydrology map.

Study the current drainage patterns.

Study the paleodrainage patterns.

Permiable rocks, faults and paleodrainage are your friend...

Then there's water quality to worry about.

Boil the crap outa my drinking water , unwanted parasites interfering with gut microbes- besides I only drink water for it's hydration properties not it's mineral/vitamin content .
The farming / hydroponic industry has done that many backflips over the years regarding water treatment , it used to be a kill em all type approach to then a biowish microbe induction now back to sterilising , Chlorine dioxide at 1ppm free residue is the new trend - I tried this and failed as some flaura are sensitive to even 1.2ppm , activated peroxide is gaining popularity also . I believe they are all flawed , and the do nothing approach can collapse also when an opportunistic fungi that enjoys warmer water dominates the grow environment.
A pop up company experimenting with beneficial microbes guinea pigged my farm once and there were significant improvements in root development that lasted only 2 weeks before needing reapplication - this was done in unavoidable 30 degree water situations.
Feasibly too expensive

Good luck growing any plant in the carrot family hydroponically- there is good reason why they are top dollar crops ( except carrots )

Seems like the rains have returned to coastal NSW.

$2500 will buy you a 20K litre water tank. I'm going to get four or five of them & link them up with plumbing.

The cost will be a bit less than digging a bore and it's guaranteed.