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Pugwash

7730 posts

21 Feb 2020 9:04am

Great news!!!

Skoda are releasing an electric car this year!!!

And....

Rio Tinto are building a solar power plant for Koodaideri... awesome... yellow metal to remain dinosaur powered

FormulaNova

15090 posts

21 Feb 2020 9:15am

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Pugwash said..
Great news!!!

Skoda are releasing an electric car this year!!!

And....

Rio Tinto are building a solar power plant for Koodaideri... awesome... yellow metal to remain dinosaur powered

I think that is very informative. If only there was someone here that liked Skodas...?

You know, we are quite fortunate, going off on a tangent, that we lost the great discussion skills of Bonomiano and now others have stepped in to fill the void. It would have been very quiet otherwise.

Pugwash

7730 posts

21 Feb 2020 9:18am

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FormulaNova said..

If only we knew an architect that designed 88 star energy efficient homes

FormulaNova

15090 posts

21 Feb 2020 10:09am

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Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..

If only we knew an architect that designed 88 star energy efficient homes

I think Adrianator was that guy. Whatever happened to him? I think he bought a pretty powerful car in the end, and maybe it came unstuck? It wasn't a Skoda though.

Pugwash

7730 posts

21 Feb 2020 10:32am

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FormulaNova said..

Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..

If only we knew an architect that designed 88 star energy efficient homes

I think Adrianator was that guy. Whatever happened to him? I think he bought a pretty powerful car in the end, and maybe it came unstuck? It wasn't a Skoda though.

I have no idea who you are talking about.

I do think that owning a high powered car is entirely unnecessary, irresponsible and even hypocritical if the owner promotes a low-carbon lifestyle. Unless, of course, it's an electric car... then big it up for all those in mining that deliver all those metals!!!

FormulaNova

15090 posts

21 Feb 2020 1:58pm

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Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..

Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..

If only we knew an architect that designed 88 star energy efficient homes

I think Adrianator was that guy. Whatever happened to him? I think he bought a pretty powerful car in the end, and maybe it came unstuck? It wasn't a Skoda though.

No no no, that's where I have to step in an defend that unnamed person you don't remember and who has left this place. Just because you are in favor of a low-carbon society does not mean you have to give up all wordly posessions or even kill yourself to limit what you consume. It just means its better to help society get there.

Performance cars don't have to use more fuel most of the time. A lot of high power turbo cars would be using similar amounts to lower output cars, so where is the problem? I take my own stance on this and aim to only mow my lawn when I really really have to. I also decide to not wash my car much, although I have drawn the line at personal hygene and shower at least once a month whether I need it or not.

If only that guy were able to see this and join up to the forum again, and agree with my sentiments??

Pugwash

7730 posts

21 Feb 2020 2:39pm

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FormulaNova said..
....although I have drawn the line at personal hygene and shower at least once a month whether I need it or not.

I am, all of a sudden, glad this is an internet chat, not f2f

TonyAbbott

924 posts

21 Feb 2020 4:09pm

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mazdon said..

TonyAbbott said..
New book coming out soon:

FALSE ALARM : How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet.

Politicians, activists, and the media espouse a common message: climate change is destroying the planet, and we must take drastic action immediately to stop it. Children panic about their future, and adults wonder if it is even ethical to bring new life into the world.

Enough, argues bestselling author Bjorn Lomborg. Climate change is real, but it's not the apocalyptic threat that we've been told it is.

Projections of Earth's imminent demise are based on bad science and even worse economics.

In panic, world leaders have committed to wildly expensive but largely ineffective policies that hamper growth and crowd out more pressing investments in human capital, from immunization to education.

False Alarm will convince you that everything you think about climate change is wrong -- and points the way toward making the world a vastly better, if slightly warmer, place for us all.

Available 23rd June 2020

lol
more of the same from Bjorn
"He is to the debate what Dr. Oz is to medicine, a rodeo clown who frames his information to give audiences what they want (a quick- fix miracle cure) and cries censorship when confronted by actual scientists."

not surprising that he writes for your pals at the Australian TA!

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

He is an economist

He is not political, so leftists call him a right wing extremist in order to stay ignorant

FormulaNova

15090 posts

21 Feb 2020 4:10pm

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Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..
....although I have drawn the line at personal hygene and shower at least once a month whether I need it or not.

I am, all of a sudden, glad this is an internet chat, not f2f

Hey, I work in Perth CBD now! Want to catch up for lunch? The lack of wind recently has meant that I have not had to shower for a few weeks, but somehow everyone else is working from home....?

TonyAbbott

924 posts

21 Feb 2020 5:43pm

I think 0.004?C is over estimating how much difference all that money will make.

Mr Milk

NSW

3120 posts

21 Feb 2020 9:21pm

Having fun, Tony? If NZ acts on its own its effect is miniscule. If all countries act together then NZ's 0.004 degrees counts.

After all, NZ has a population of a bit under 5 million. That's about 1/1400 of the world population. 1400 X 0.004 = 5.6 degrees cooler than it would be otherwise.

TonyAbbott

924 posts

21 Feb 2020 7:48pm

Or

$7,000,000,000,000,000

Ouch

I don't think everyone wants it 5.6c colder, the Canadian climate protesters could not protest on the weekend because it was too cold.

cammd

QLD

4331 posts

22 Feb 2020 11:58am

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Mr Milk said..
Having fun, Tony? If NZ acts on its own its effect is miniscule. If all countries act together then NZ's 0.004 degrees counts.

After all, NZ has a population of a bit under 5 million. That's about 1/1400 of the world population. 1400 X 0.004 = 5.6 degrees cooler than it would be otherwise.

and yet when leftards get challenged to act on their convictions and live a fossil fuel free life they respond with the weak excuse that it will make no difference. C'mon Mr Milk be like NZ and lead the way.

Mr Milk

NSW

3120 posts

22 Feb 2020 1:58pm

When have I ever said that individual actions make no difference? Every little bit helps. As Newton put it about 400 years ago, it's all about infinitesimals.

That's why I got up on the roof the other day with a mop and cleaned the summer's bushfire soot and duststorm dust off my solar panels. Output was down by 15-25%, but now it's back to normal. ie About 2-3KWh/day improvement.
I wonder how many people wash their cars regularly, which makes no difference to their performance, but completely forget about their solar system, which relies on being clean to work properly.

Ian K

4164 posts

22 Feb 2020 12:42pm

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Mr Milk said..
When have I ever said that individual actions make no difference? Every little bit helps. As Newton put it about 400 years ago, it's all about infinitesimals.

That's why I got up on the roof the other day with a mop and cleaned the summer's bushfire soot and duststorm dust off my solar panels. Output was down by 15-25%, but now it's back to normal. ie About 2-3KWh/day improvement.
I wonder how many people wash their cars regularly, which makes no difference to their performance, but completely forget about their solar system, which relies on being clean to work properly.

Have you worked out the embedded carbon footprint of falling off your roof?

TonyAbbott

924 posts

22 Feb 2020 5:36pm

The air we are exhaling is toxic Co2

The greenies have a solution at a place called 'the gulag', the miracle cure is administered after you 'face the wall'

Brent in Qld

1410 posts

22 Feb 2020 6:37pm

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TonyAbbott said..
The air we are exhaling is toxic Co2

The greenies have a solution at a place called 'the gulag', the miracle cure is administered after you 'face the wall'

Aligning green policy with Soviet era detention and then suggest one faces the wall? Tone it down please.

Shifu

QLD

1994 posts

22 Feb 2020 9:15pm

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TonyAbbott said..

I think 0.004?C is over estimating how much difference all that money will make.

You're right. Why don't we all do just fkn nothing then? That will fix it..

TonyAbbott

924 posts

23 Feb 2020 7:32am

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Brent in Qld said..

TonyAbbott said..
The air we are exhaling is toxic Co2

The greenies have a solution at a place called 'the gulag', the miracle cure is administered after you 'face the wall'

Aligning green policy with Soviet era detention and then suggest one faces the wall? Tone it down please.

It is not me that aligning policy with gulagism, the alarmists are doing it themselves. Maybe they will be more like nazi concentration camps. Maybe they will rename them something else.

wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/07/german-greens-use-climate-emergency-declarations-to-jail-deniers/

www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/09/greens-adam-bandt-calls-prime-minister-morrison-a-climate-criminal.html?fbclid=IwAR3g-Ksg7gUqu09vC7B0HrEMSvy4g5jpwfEiRtNLHW1DLGgAVpXBzKgQABU

If the Greens got power, I would be declared a criminal.

Mr Milk

NSW

3120 posts

23 Feb 2020 11:28am

That's not what the translated German opinion piece says at all. It is speculating on what might be an appropriate response 10 years into the future if things get really bad, climate wise. It suggests that actively opposing climate change mitigation efforts could become an offence and repeated infringement could result in prison terms.
So that's pretty much what you like to see happening to people who protest against mining and forestry projects in Australia.

TonyAbbott

924 posts

23 Feb 2020 9:10am

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Mr Milk said..
That's not what the translated German opinion piece says at all. It is speculating on what might be an appropriate response 10 years into the future if things get really bad, climate wise. It suggests that actively opposing climate change mitigation efforts could become an offence and repeated infringement could result in prison terms.
So that's pretty much what you like to see happening to people who protest against mining and forestry projects in Australia.

So we agree that the Greens will criminalise any opposition to them if they get a chance, just like all communists and the national socialist

Mr Milk

NSW

3120 posts

23 Feb 2020 12:21pm

The only thing we agree about is that you have the commonest type of colour blindness. You can't tell what is red from what is green.
And that you are innumerate

TonyAbbott

924 posts

23 Feb 2020 10:21am

Watermelons

Green on the outside, red on the inside

Brent in Qld

1410 posts

23 Feb 2020 11:15am

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TonyAbbott said..

Brent in Qld said..

TonyAbbott said..
The air we are exhaling is toxic Co2

The greenies have a solution at a place called 'the gulag', the miracle cure is administered after you 'face the wall'

Aligning green policy with Soviet era detention and then suggest one faces the wall? Tone it down please.

What on earth makes you think the greens will ever sort themselves out enough to govern this sunburnt country? At best, this is fear mongering created to divide & conquer rather than unite & prosper.

holy guacamole

1393 posts

23 Feb 2020 1:19pm

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TonyAbbott said..
So we agree that the Greens will criminalise any opposition to them if they get a chance, just like all communists and the national socialist

Just wondering....is that before or after the "end of western civilisation" that any move towards a carbon neutral planet will trigger?

Chris 249

NSW

3531 posts

23 Feb 2020 4:26pm

Dunno, HC. He is saying that people will be put up against a wall, that scientists are fools, and that academics are criminals (which is the logical outcome of his claims about their research). His abuse is far stronger than anything I've said, and his abuse is dishonest. If someone is willing to dishonestly abuse people like TA does, why can't they be called "vile"?

holy guacamole

1393 posts

23 Feb 2020 1:30pm

Yes I guess you have a point Chris. I realise I was wrong and I retract my former statement.

Hey Chris, you know how the real TA publicly confessed he's "uncomfortable" talking about homosexuality?

I wonder if there's a chance he's also a closet watermelon. You know, a redneck with a green interior?

Nah, I'm kidding myself!

TonyAbbott

924 posts

23 Feb 2020 4:51pm

TonyAbbott

924 posts

23 Feb 2020 7:39pm

petermac33

6415 posts

24 Feb 2020 12:35am

vile definition: 1. unpleasant, immoral, and unacceptable: 2. extremely unpleasant: 3. evil or disgusting:

Come on TA - you must be aware that having the audacity to question their science in these days of strict hate speech laws and political correctness qualifies you to be branded a wicked and evil human being.

TA - Scientists are not CRIMINALS they are our GODS and do not forget it

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