Speeding fine - should I pay?

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warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
30 Dec 2017 10:26am
I have 40 years without an infringement, I had to merge as my lane was ending (this is clearly shown in the speed camera shot in a school zone) .
My defence is - while merging it is not safe to monitor a speedo and safe merging may require a short need to accelerate.
The camera's photo has no pedestrians anywhere.
I have sent in a request for liency under the 10 year with no penalty but rejected so did again only to receive in the mail a final notice to pay.
I phoned and was advised school zone so no excuses.
A lawyer advised going to court would cost $600 upwards plus lawyer.
The fine is $190 and 2 points for 10 kph over limit.
What a fair and just system.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
30 Dec 2017 7:30am
I just used the 10 year/good behavior option, and I noted that they don't allow for it in school zones or drinking offences.

I guess you are out of luck.
Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
30 Dec 2017 10:50am
40 years with out "Infringement"

Are you saying you have Never broken a road rule in that time?

Just pay it and think your self lucky that only thing hurt is your pride,


Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
30 Dec 2017 7:52am
warwickl said..
I have 40 years without an infringement, I had to merge as my lane was ending (this is clearly shown in the speed camera shot in a school zone) .
My defence is - while merging it is not safe to monitor a speedo and safe merging may require a short need to accelerate.
The camera's photo has no pedestrians anywhere.
I have sent in a request for liency under the 10 year with no penalty but rejected so did again only to receive in the mail a final notice to pay.
I phoned and was advised school zone so no excuses.
A lawyer advised going to court would cost $600 upwards plus lawyer.
The fine is $190 and 2 points for 10 kph over limit.
What a fair and just system.



You were speeding. You got caught... too bad... pay the fine... that IS fair... move on...
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
30 Dec 2017 11:13am
warwickl said..
I phoned and was advised school zone so no excuses.
A lawyer advised going to court would cost $600 upwards plus lawyer.
The fine is $190 and 2 points for 10 kph over limit.
What a fair and just system.


I agree with you, but having gone to court to prove my case I can give you the benefit of my experience.
Pay the fine and don't tell anybody about it.

1.- The court is not interested in any of your excuses even if the measurement was COMPLETELY at odds with the NSW police manual, from a distance and an angle. You can't question any aspect of it. Don't care if the difference between you losing your license and not is the LiDARs margin of error.

2.- Don't tell anybody, bcos nobody cares about your excuse, well maybe your immediate family, but no one else. You're wrong and it doesn't matter if you are a safe driver, never had an accident, never drink & drive and suddenly you get a speeding ticket of a speed you know you weren't doing. You're wrong and you'll need to go to the Supreme court to prove you're right... $150k + 2 years of your life + 5 years from stress.

3.- Your friends and family might tell you to fight it, write letters, go to court... don't listen they're full of crap and when you lose they'll say I told you no to.

Trust me when I say paying it is the easiest thing to do. The world isn't fair and Australia w/ drivers is like Malaysia w/ drug dealers, 0 tolerance.

PS: Your excuse is totally crap too, and I guarantee you that a court will increase the fine to $2500 + court costs + victim support levy.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
30 Dec 2017 9:00am
You can take it to court but odds on you'll lose it and you'll turn that 40 years without a ticket into your first court conviction.

My mum was the same, boasting about her perfect record, she go pinged, took it to court and lost. I'm waiting for the right time to highlight she's now the only one in the family with a court conviction
Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
30 Dec 2017 12:36pm
Chris6791 said..
You can take it to court but odds on you'll lose it and you'll turn that 40 years without a ticket into your first court conviction.

My mum was the same, boasting about her perfect record, she go pinged, took it to court and lost. I'm waiting for the right time to highlight she's now the only one in the family with a court conviction


well done Chris6791 on your 3000 th post
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
30 Dec 2017 2:09pm
Why do people spend so much time arguing about speeding fines? Seems to be a national past time. Count yourself lucky for all the times you've sped and not been caught.
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
30 Dec 2017 2:34pm
Ok ok I'll pay
Doing it now
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
NSW, 7146 posts
30 Dec 2017 3:01pm
There is another solution which worked for me just recently. Drove Uber in Brisbane for six months and ran up four speeding fines and two infringements. Have had a clean license for over thirty years, pretty much as a result of good luck but the mania for regulation combined with an average of 2000ks a week around Brisbane finally caught up with me.

So I moved back to Coffs Harbour and changed my licence back to NSW. Whilst in Roads and Maritime or whatever they call it now I asked whether the loss of points would be transferred. The reply was only if it was serious.

So back onto 12 points and I have no intention of paying any of them either.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
30 Dec 2017 1:32pm
^^^ That'll only work if you never go back to Qld, here in WA if you tried that your unpaid/ignored fines eventually end up with an arrest warrant being issued.

www.qld.gov.au/law/fines-and-penalties/overdue-fines/enforcement-order
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
30 Dec 2017 3:46pm
FlySurfer said..

warwickl said..
I phoned and was advised school zone so no excuses.
A lawyer advised going to court would cost $600 upwards plus lawyer.
The fine is $190 and 2 points for 10 kph over limit.
What a fair and just system.



I agree with you, but having gone to court to prove my case I can give you the benefit of my experience.
Pay the fine and don't tell anybody about it.

1.- The court is not interested in any of your excuses even if the measurement was COMPLETELY at odds with the NSW police manual, from a distance and an angle. You can't question any aspect of it. Don't care if the difference between you losing your license and not is the LiDARs margin of error.

2.- Don't tell anybody, bcos nobody cares about your excuse, well maybe your immediate family, but no one else. You're wrong and it doesn't matter if you are a safe driver, never had an accident, never drink & drive and suddenly you get a speeding ticket of a speed you know you weren't doing. You're wrong and you'll need to go to the Supreme court to prove you're right... $150k + 2 years of your life + 5 years from stress.

3.- Your friends and family might tell you to fight it, write letters, go to court... don't listen they're full of crap and when you lose they'll say I told you no to.

Trust me when I say paying it is the easiest thing to do. The world isn't fair and Australia w/ drivers is like Malaysia w/ drug dealers, 0 tolerance.

PS: Your excuse is totally crap too, and I guarantee you that a court will increase the fine to $2500 + court costs + victim support levy.


I take it you lost all your points and your license? I can understand how the court might not looks so favourably on that proven track record
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
30 Dec 2017 7:14pm
Pug wash your mouth out.
No lost points for over 40 years I am a solid citizen.
Your comment will cause me to loose sleep
bobajob
bobajob
QLD
1535 posts
QLD, 1535 posts
30 Dec 2017 7:21pm
I thought school zones are only enforced in school times not in holiday periods?
quikdrawMcgraw
quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
1221 posts
30 Dec 2017 6:31pm
Do what Ned Kelly did you show em
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
30 Dec 2017 10:45pm
Chris6791 said..
here in WA if you tried that your unpaid/ignored fines eventually end up with an arrest warrant being issued.


also, the state of W.A. has number plate recognition cameras fitted to police cars - and so does the sheriffs office.

Unpaid fines can lead to your license being cancelled, and your vehicles being seized and sold.
jn1
jn1
SA
2753 posts
jn1 jn1
SA, 2753 posts
31 Dec 2017 10:29am
warwickl said..
Ok ok I'll pay
Doing it now

No no no. Save your money and plead insane like these two cock munchers have done. You might even get a victim pay out:

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/bourke-street-court-case-held-up-by-gargasoulas-documents/9196118

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-23/flinders-st-car-attack-saeed-noori-charged-by-police/9283876


Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
31 Dec 2017 8:11am
The insanity defence is a desperate and risky one to make. Even if it works for this the state can, and most likely would lock you up indefinitely on mental health grounds anyway.
jn1
jn1
SA
2753 posts
jn1 jn1
SA, 2753 posts
31 Dec 2017 5:39pm
Chris6791 said..
The insanity defence is a desperate and risky one to make. Even if it works for this the state can, and most likely would lock you up indefinitely on mental health grounds anyway.

I was being facetious Chris
Keaw Yed.
Keaw Yed.
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
31 Dec 2017 6:44pm
You committed the crime, now its time to pay

You state "My defence is - while merging it is not safe to monitor a speedo and safe merging may require a short need to accelerate.

That is a poor defense, not knowing your speed / being able to watch your speedo?1! is poor, you may need to accelerate, you could also deaccelerate

You were at least 20% over the speed limit, so not speeding by a little....

Speeding in a school zone is a no no you know it, we all know it

Pay up and move on and stop whinging about how and unfair the system is
Its treating you fairly
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
1 Jan 2018 12:01am
What's wrong with kids today? Can't they just stay on the footpath?

It's not about ways to get out of speeding fines, but a thought occurred to me on how to get out of life jacket fines. It's illegal to be on a private boat without wearing one, but it is perfectly legal to go swimming without one.....Soooooo.... jump overboard when you get caught. What are they going to do if you just happened to be on the boat between dips?
jn1
jn1
SA
2753 posts
jn1 jn1
SA, 2753 posts
1 Jan 2018 11:37am
KEAW YED said..
Pay up and move on and stop whinging about how and unfair the system is
Its treating you fairly


Until you get fined over an unfair technically and then come sookin on here yeah ?
Keaw Yed.
Keaw Yed.
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
1 Jan 2018 9:51am
jn1 said..

KEAW YED said..
Pay up and move on and stop whinging about how and unfair the system is
Its treating you fairly



Until you get fined over an unfair technically and then come sookin on here yeah ?


What was unfair???
He was caught speeding in a school zone
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