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myusernam said..
No. Not really. And esp not with a 2ton gws travelling at 60kph. Maybee deter a non feeding shark but not one with a boner. Ab diver on shark shield website with a video of him saying he would never dive again without one was later devoured by two gws.

Do you have a link to this story or is it just bullsh!t that you just made up?

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roodney said..

myusernam said..
No. Not really. And esp not with a 2ton gws travelling at 60kph. Maybee deter a non feeding shark but not one with a boner. Ab diver on shark shield website with a video of him saying he would never dive again without one was later devoured by two gws.

Do you have a link to this story or is it just bullsh!t that you just made up?

Its only half true, the bull**** version is what he shared.

The coroners report said he had the electrode attached to his air hose so when he was boat side the electrode was on the surface and therefor not working. (It needs to be fully submerged).

He was attacked boat side by two great whites..

Im pretty sure there has been a few divers wearing shields that have been killed, and it is always claimed by shark shield that the device must have been switched off, flat battery, faulty, user error etc.

Dead men don't talk

But I saw a video of the charging sharks stopping their attacks 9 out of 10 times, it seemed to work well. I don't have one but I definitely will when my nerves cannot hold out any longer.

It prob does JBS but I have failed mind kind if I read instructions ! I guess its like asking a woman for directions.
No in all seriousness Some of the dive instructors we did training with recently suggested and honored that. Drilling an 8m hole in the end of the flipper feed it thru. . . Most of myself and my Muppet outfit are surface supplied divers. I swear by the freedom 7 but haven't had much to do with the esds I believe that the biggest downside is the cycling of shorter pulses on the esds. One of the guys at work dives recreational with some of the blokes in the police force apparently and they swear by them.
Had an isse with a few of the units not switching on But they have addressed that !

sharkshield.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/14000025521-freedom7-scuba7-surf7-fault-switch

Was talking to a clearance rebreather navy diver the other day and don't wear nothing ,Shark shield be picked up on the radar and has a light. He said he carries a gps box and can go to sleep underwater for up to 2 hours ;-S

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RockyDude said..
So you back the shark JB?

His fault for not "wearing it properly", so his fault for being eaten, by a fish. Fish innocent, and free to eat more people.

Maybe that might be some of the words recited at your obituary: "He always said that these big fish had the dominion over us humans, and he gracefully succumbed to the higher species".

Shaking my head, or for the younger generation SMH.

When did i say i back the shark I said it wasn't being used correctly, he had the electrode attacked to the air hose, it needs to be submerged if you bothered to do any research you'd have known that..

If I'm in a car and not wearing my seatbelt, have an accident and die, is it then fair to quote on a forum that seat belts don't work Even though it wasn't even in use, thats what you've just done

Also were have i ever said i even like sharks What i have said repeatedly is that culling is not a successful option for water safety.. Thats not my opinion, thats from just about every study completed by anyone with any authority on the matter (With out a vested interest)

Everyone banging on about a cull, open your eyes and see it will never be an option, with 80% of all people not supporting it, it simply will not happen..

Its more to do with placing greater value on the life of a shark, that people.

For an Ab diver, he should be allowed to carry smokeys. And work from some sort of cage.

Shark comes along, has a look and swims off, it survives.

Shark comes in for a bite, BANG.

Your seatbelt argument is irrelevant, unless all cars had the potential to suddenly and deliberately eat people.

A closer analogy would be erasing all crosswalk markings, and warning signs for motorists, and demanding that pedestrians only cross at those points.

Removing individuals' ability to defend themselves against fish is ludicrous.

Personally, I reckon all water users should be permitted to carry smokeys if they wish.

What the hell are you even on about? Sharks life over humans is stupid, but culling sharks will still not help you be protected when a shark swims at you.

As for Abb divers do you have any idea about the industry at all

Not many abb divers would want to carry a smokey, or harm a great white shark for that matter. Even if they wanted to i wonder how they'd do that, looks they they have their hands full with the CAGE the swim with

JB,

Apologies if my reply got you emotional, that wasn't my aim.

Glad to hear you value humans above sharks.

Did I mention culling as a solution in the post that got you all upset? No.

You do yourself a disservice assuming that an opinion differing to yours is invalid. We all certainly have heard your story often enough.

The Ab industry happens to be one that involves an extreme risk, hence my reference to that industry.

Any Ab diver that happily works without a cage, SS, smokey or whatever else, is fine to do that, and if they get eaten, their families would undoubtably accept that.

Those that choose to protect their lives by taking out a GW if necessary, should be entitled to that choice. Same goes for anyone else that might want to live through an agressive encounter.

If the cage they sometimes use decreases the catch rate, the price of Abs will go up. So what? It should do, like the rewards from any dangerous enterprise.

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KEARNSY said...
Has anyone ever heard if anyone has been attacked whilst wearing one or can anyone verify from a personal experience or encounter?

Wifey bought me an ESDS a few years ago and I have only used it a handful of times. I tend to be in the frame of mind "she'll be right".
We all know the current state of affairs out there - is there any advantage other than a positive state of mind when wearing one?

Definitely won't work........ When your not using it. .........every chance it will work..... If you do use it.

Hey JBS move to china for a year replicate a similar version of the freedom 7 and make it affordable to the general public. (under 99 bucks) 8>>>>>>>``` BOOM

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busterwa said..
Hey JBS move to china for a year replicate a similar version of the freedom 7 and make it affordable to the general public. (under 99 bucks) 8>>>>>>>``` BOOM

TBH the new Rpela (Surfsafe) system is not that expensive. You buy the first kit for $450 and that includes the power pack. Each board after that you buy the skeleton part for $60. There is installation for each board also to consider, unless its a new board as they may be around $100 for retro fit. (Im not exactly sure on the instal cost)
So moving forward each board (retro fitted) will cost you $160.. My legs are worth more than that..

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jbshack said..

busterwa said..
Hey JBS move to china for a year replicate a similar version of the freedom 7 and make it affordable to the general public. (under 99 bucks) 8>>>>>>>``` BOOM

TBH the new Rpela (Surfsafe) system is not that expensive. You buy the first kit for $450 and that includes the power pack. Each board after that you buy the skeleton part for $60. There is installation for each board also to consider, unless its a new board as they may be around $100 for retro fit. (Im not exactly sure on the instal cost)
So moving forward each board (retro fitted) will cost you $160.. My legs are worth more than that..

All good, JB, for surfers. I accept that smokeys are probably not worth much to surfers. Even dropins could be difficult to prove after the event.

Smokeys for divers. After all, it's not like they're chasing sharks.

Its the future JBS. I can see it being a global selling point with a huge target market. One thing I can promote is this tec being placed in interchangeable fins with a USB stick as recharge for surfers.. Im not sure what type of development stages this is in but I can see some of the big producers already looking at it. There's a hudge amount of development going on in this sector.I think major brands are looking at this tec. So im not sure laying a lot of personal investment and development would pay off.
For us windsurfer and kitesurfers don't ever wear any cause I don't get wet ;-)

Im happy wearing the freedom 7 when im underwater The units are great. Prevent most nosy sharks.

Shark Shield's are the FUTURE !The tec development and price are still a work in progress!!
good series!

How many shark shield could the Gov. buy with the money spent wasted in culling? I think that more users in the water would make a big electromagnetic signature and sharks would then stay far away to it, safety in numbers?

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DARTH said..
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/06/29/making-charge-against-shark-attacks

Looks good no board mods.

It relies on a sticker though

One point id like to make is that the below statement is not really 100% true. In the comment that the Freedom+surf model are the only scientifically tested units on the market. What was tested was the Freedom 7 model, the workings of the new surf model with a sticker, were not tested in the latest round of tests by UWA
Those results will be interesting to see.

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felixdcat said..
How many shark shield could the Gov. buy with the money spent wasted in culling? I think that more users in the water would make a big electromagnetic signature and sharks would then stay far away to it, safety in numbers?

The local Labour government has said they would like to subside the cost of the units for water users. Not sure how serous they are though but will have to wait and see.

Im happy paying $160 per board TBH

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DARTH said..
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/06/29/making-charge-against-shark-attacks

Looks good no board mods.

It relies on a sticker though

One point id like to make is that the below statement is not really 100% true. In the comment that the Freedom+surf model are the only scientifically tested units on the market. What was tested was the Freedom 7 model, the workings of the new surf model with a sticker, were not tested in the latest round of tests by UWA
Those results will be interesting to see.

Better than chopping up all my boards

I have a 'freedom 7" and wear it all the time. Love the feeling of safety it gives me. I think my legs, life is worthed every cents of the $600 it costed me 7 years ago.
Just a plug for the owner of the factory..... 4 years ago I could not reload the battery and I sent it to the factory (warranty was way out) they replaced it absolutely free of charge. What about great after sale service?
The freedom 7 is not good for surfing or windsurfing, just for snorkeling , diving or just swimming .

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DARTH said..

jbshack said..

DARTH said..
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/06/29/making-charge-against-shark-attacks

Looks good no board mods.

It relies on a sticker though

One point id like to make is that the below statement is not really 100% true. In the comment that the Freedom+surf model are the only scientifically tested units on the market. What was tested was the Freedom 7 model, the workings of the new surf model with a sticker, were not tested in the latest round of tests by UWA
Those results will be interesting to see.

Better than chopping up all my boards

A $90 sticker could prove to be rather expensive if you have to replace that thing a few times.. Also the weight right on the tail could be interesting. For me that system would be an issue as i like very low tail kickers. I tend to hit my broken toes a little to often with anything over 5 mm high..

Buy a new board with a Rpela skeleton already installed. No need to cut anything
Going back to the sticker design, I'm interested to understand how the power will be produced through something so thin I guess thats more a technical question that some of the brains trust couldn't shed some light on.

Also is the sticker part of the tail pad, so if you damage the sticker (Electrode) does that mean you have to replace the entire tail pad each time

Ill admit it looks interesting and will be great to finally get it to market..

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felixdcat said..
I have a 'freedom 7" and wear it all the time. Love the feeling of safety it gives me. I think my legs, life is worthed every cents of the $600 it costed me 7 years ago.
Just a plug for the owner of the factory..... 4 years ago I could not reload the battery and I sent it to the factory (warranty was way out) they replaced it absolutely free of charge. What about great after sale service?
The freedom 7 is not good for surfing or windsurfing, just for snorkeling , diving or just swimming .

Yes the after sales service is great, had the same thing happen to me. Got in touch with them and they told me to send it back even though it was about 2 years out of warranty and they sent out a new one.

Interesting clip by a bloke that supposedly knows??



Also a q& A thing with him on FB

www.facebook.com/TheInertia/videos/1192170504156099/


This is posted below the story on swellnet. By Shart shield.
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/06/29/making-charge-against-shark-attacks

Thank you all for your comments, we are super excited about our new product getting people back to enjoying surfing!

Couple of facts to clarify;There has only ever been one fatality with a person wearing a Shark Shield in 2002, with the coroner report finding the user was not wearing the SharkPOD model correctly, with the coroner further recommending more people use Shark Shield. There was no finding with Peter Clarkson, there were more questions relating to why the skipper called his lawyer before the police, I believe this was the second diver lost on his watch.

Many years ago I was an electrician, and I've also been a CEO of another safety business. I can assure you there is not a safety product on the planet that removes 100% of risk, doesn't matter if its steel cap boots, protective glasses, seat belts etc. If an Occupational Health & Safety Officer was told he could remove 90% of risk from an activity, I'm confident the'd take the offer.

You could remove the risk by not going in the water, but with the release of the Sharknado movies this is clearly now not an option either..............Last time Shark Shield was on this forum, for days the conversation continued on the myth that Shark Shield attracts sharks.

I only have an electrical / electronic educational background so can only comment with authority on the technology and its inability to transmit any distance underwater. With respect to animal biology, both major research papers, including the extensive independent 2.5 year study by the UWA being released on the 4th July, concluded that there was zero evidence that Shark Shield attracted sharks.

Professor Shaun Collin's bio runs for ten pages, so please believe Shaun over what the chap with the beer glasses at the Settlers Tavern says.

The research and testing will be on Sixty Minutes this Sunday 3rd July,(the trailer is on our Facebook) and hopefully you'll get a lot of other questions answered on the proven effectiveness of Shark Shield during this, thank you all for your support.

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jbshack said..

DARTH said..

jbshack said..

DARTH said..
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/06/29/making-charge-against-shark-attacks

Looks good no board mods.

It relies on a sticker though

One point id like to make is that the below statement is not really 100% true. In the comment that the Freedom+surf model are the only scientifically tested units on the market. What was tested was the Freedom 7 model, the workings of the new surf model with a sticker, were not tested in the latest round of tests by UWA
Those results will be interesting to see.

Better than chopping up all my boards

A $90 sticker could prove to be rather expensive if you have to replace that thing a few times.. Also the weight right on the tail could be interesting. For me that system would be an issue as i like very low tail kickers. I tend to hit my broken toes a little to often with anything over 5 mm high..

Buy a new board with a Rpela skeleton already installed. No need to cut anything
Going back to the sticker design, I'm interested to understand how the power will be produced through something so thin I guess thats more a technical question that some of the brains trust couldn't shed some light on.

Also is the sticker part of the tail pad, so if you damage the sticker (Electrode) does that mean you have to replace the entire tail pad each time

Ill admit it looks interesting and will be great to finally get it to market..

How thin do you think the repella antenna is? Also is there a blanking block that can be installed in place of the unit? I wouldn't use the unit in Indo etc.

^^^ Darth each rpela unit comes with a blank box called a sub

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mitchbat said..
^^^ Darth each rpela unit comes with a blank box called a sub

Thats cool, I think I might go repela but the OE one looks good as I'm not crazy about carving up a new board.

But hey ya gotta do what ya gotta do

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DARTH said..

mitchbat said..
^^^ Darth each rpela unit comes with a blank box called a sub

Thats cool, I think I might go repela but the OE one looks good as I'm not crazy about carving up a new board.

But hey ya gotta do what ya gotta do

I don't know how Dave does it, but he doesn't cut a grove the entire length of the board. So you have a large futures type block at one end, and a small flush electrode the other end.

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SP said..


Interesting clip by a bloke that supposedly knows??



Also a q& A thing with him on FB

www.facebook.com/TheInertia/videos/1192170504156099/


This is posted below the story on swellnet. By Shart shield.
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/06/29/making-charge-against-shark-attacks

Thank you all for your comments, we are super excited about our new product getting people back to enjoying surfing!

Couple of facts to clarify;There has only ever been one fatality with a person wearing a Shark Shield in 2002, with the coroner report finding the user was not wearing the SharkPOD model correctly, with the coroner further recommending more people use Shark Shield. There was no finding with Peter Clarkson, there were more questions relating to why the skipper called his lawyer before the police, I believe this was the second diver lost on his watch.

Many years ago I was an electrician, and I've also been a CEO of another safety business. I can assure you there is not a safety product on the planet that removes 100% of risk, doesn't matter if its steel cap boots, protective glasses, seat belts etc. If an Occupational Health & Safety Officer was told he could remove 90% of risk from an activity, I'm confident the'd take the offer.

You could remove the risk by not going in the water, but with the release of the Sharknado movies this is clearly now not an option either..............Last time Shark Shield was on this forum, for days the conversation continued on the myth that Shark Shield attracts sharks.

I only have an electrical / electronic educational background so can only comment with authority on the technology and its inability to transmit any distance underwater. With respect to animal biology, both major research papers, including the extensive independent 2.5 year study by the UWA being released on the 4th July, concluded that there was zero evidence that Shark Shield attracted sharks.

Professor Shaun Collin's bio runs for ten pages, so please believe Shaun over what the chap with the beer glasses at the Settlers Tavern says.

The research and testing will be on Sixty Minutes this Sunday 3rd July,(the trailer is on our Facebook) and hopefully you'll get a lot of other questions answered on the proven effectiveness of Shark Shield during this, thank you all for your support.

I like how he actually says that none of them work more than 90% of the time. So therefor don't use one.. Really id take 90% chance of working over no chance at all.. He also compares them to Birth control, yet we all mostly will trust birth control.. I don't get his video TBH..

Thanks for sharing the post though, not having a dig at you SP..

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jbshack said..

DARTH said..

mitchbat said..
^^^ Darth each rpela unit comes with a blank box called a sub

Thats cool, I think I might go repela but the OE one looks good as I'm not crazy about carving up a new board.

But hey ya gotta do what ya gotta do

I don't know how Dave does it, but he doesn't cut a grove the entire length of the board. So you have a large futures type block at one end, and a small flush electrode the other end.

He has a tool that creates a tunnel for the electrode.

Im only gonad vouch for the freedom 7s cause had nothing to do with the other brands.

my mate swam over the top of me and I copped a freedom 7 on the forehead Instant 4*2 to the head. and I had to clean the poo particles out of me wetsuit. I I think one of my fillings fell out.

There is an segment running on Channel 9 sunday night next week That's covering it . www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10154347673002139&id=53604327138



Don't read into it to much just a big wank publicity stunt to get viewers

getting a bit sick of saying it

sharks need to eat alot. they cant risk getting hurt. as long as your surfing next to an easier target *cough tourist cough* then youll be fine.

so give our guests some fair dinkum aussie hospitality and drag em into the ocean with ya. problem solved. no more aussie surfers dieing to sharks. no sharks dieing.

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busterwa said..

Im only gonad vouch for the freedom 7s cause had nothing to do with the other brands.

my mate swam over the top of me and I copped a freedom 7 on the forehead Instant 4*2 to the head. and I had to clean the poo particles out of me wetsuit. I I think one of my fillings fell out.

Yeah I've had the same thing happen to me a couple of times. Not pleasant when it happens.

^^^^^^^^^^You are rite ................ loosing a foot or leg would not hurt as much as that! ^^^^^^^^^^^

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Kozzie said..
getting a bit sick of saying it

sharks need to eat alot. they cant risk getting hurt. as long as your surfing next to an easier target *cough tourist cough* then youll be fine.

so give our guests some fair dinkum aussie hospitality and drag em into the ocean with ya. problem solved. no more aussie surfers dieing to sharks. no sharks dieing.

For what it's worth, most of the imagery of the bigger ones shows many battlescars around the pointy end.

To me that says they're not too fussed about the complaints of their meal.

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RockyDude said..

Kozzie said..
getting a bit sick of saying it

sharks need to eat alot. they cant risk getting hurt. as long as your surfing next to an easier target *cough tourist cough* then youll be fine.

so give our guests some fair dinkum aussie hospitality and drag em into the ocean with ya. problem solved. no more aussie surfers dieing to sharks. no sharks dieing.

For what it's worth, most of the imagery of the bigger ones shows many battlescars around the pointy end.

To me that says they're not too fussed about the complaints of their meal.

Most of the ones you would see have had run ins with cages. Hence the nose damage.

Truth is large sharks will tend to be rather tentative when attacking or hunting prey, especially at the last moment and hence the eye lids sliding over. If a shark was to lose an eye it would more than likely die due to inability to hunt and feed..