jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2748634

"We saw an association between prenatal fluoride exposure and lower IQ scores in children," Rivky Green, co-author of the study published in JAMA Pediatrics.

Thats quite interesting.

I do note the full conclusion though (my highlighting):

Fluoride exposure during pregnancy may be associated with adverse effects on child intellectual development, indicating the possible need to reduce fluoride intake during pregnancy.

So its maybe bad and maybe we should tell ONLY pregnant women to reduce fluoride as it may hve very small effect on brain development. Trouble is the CT screamers will misquote this and make it sound like its far worse by repeating their "fluorde is for mind control" crap and use this study to try and prove it.

I wonder also when we target the state-sponsored brain damage to children caused by alcohol during pregnancy? That and ciggies / drugs are far far more pressing issues for society.

Why dont we just banish pregnant women to an island where they cant be negatively affected by anyone.

Seriously if ya mum wants to drink flouride let her. First you make her put the cigars and scotch down now you want her teeth to fall away like a wet sponge cake.

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Mark _australia said..
Thats quite interesting.

I do note the full conclusion though (my highlighting):

Fluoride exposure during pregnancy may be associated with adverse effects on child intellectual development, indicating the possible need to reduce fluoride intake during pregnancy.

So its maybe bad and maybe we should tell ONLY pregnant women to reduce fluoride as it may hve very small effect on brain development. Trouble is the CT screamers will misquote this and make it sound like its far worse by repeating their "fluorde is for mind control" crap and use this study to try and prove it.

I wonder also when we target the state-sponsored brain damage to children caused by alcohol during pregnancy? That and ciggies / drugs are far far more pressing issues for society.

Don't even waste your time on it, Mark, the study isn't worth it. The only studies the anti-flouride folk are interested in are double-blind clinic trials.

I mean, the women could have gotten that flouride from anywhere...

Also ignore this: www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-study-looking-at-maternal-exposure-to-fluoride-and-iq-in-children/

Because of course everyone's interests are as vested as the anti-flouride folks.

Well, if Paleo Pete Evans supports it......... then you know it must be a steaming pile of turds

This is such a bad piece of science. There are serious defects in the research methodology and findings:
1.) The urinary fluoride samples were contaminated by a multitude of factors. For example, the study did NOT measure the fluoride level at each house, nor did it control the brand of toothpaste/type of fluoride, nor measure how much toothpaste each participant swallowed/ how many times per day did they brush. The study was done on the basis of the participants 'self-reporting their consumption' and then the researchers estimating the consumption. How can you assess something accurately if you didn't measure it to start with?
2.) No attempt is made to assess/measure how much fluoride the foetus is actually exposed to. The assumption is that every mother consumed the same amount of fluoride and the same amount of fluoride crossed the placental barrier in each case. Highly unlikely to say the least.
This study seems to be the scientific version of clickbait. I am amazed JAMA published it.

EDIT- Just read Kamikuza's link posted above. It gives a more learned/discerning analysis of the failings of this research. ( Hint- It's still not even worthy as Fish n Chip wrapping)

This topic is bound to do the rounds on a regular basis until such time as mass medication with fluoride is taken off the menu and left to the individual to decide on whether or not it is a good idea.

The fact that by far the majority of European countries choose to avoid the practice is sufficient a factor for me. Virtually all European country's have national health services which include dental care. One would have to question why fluoride is not used if it does in fact contribute to improved dental health, a factor which would presumably save considerable sums of public money.

Of course this does not apply in Australia as Medicare does not include dental services regardless of the fact that poor dental health is a major contributor to ill health.

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japie said..
This topic is bound to do the rounds on a regular basis until such time as mass medication with fluoride is taken off the menu and left to the individual to decide on whether or not it is a good idea.

The fact that by far the majority of European countries choose to avoid the practice is sufficient a factor for me. Virtually all European country's have national health services which include dental care. One would have to question why fluoride is not used if it does in fact contribute to improved dental health, a factor which would presumably save considerable sums of public money.

Of course this does not apply in Australia as Medicare does not include dental services regardless of the fact that poor dental health is a major contributor to ill health.

Technical challenges are a major reason why fluoridated water is not widespread in Europe.
In France and Switzerland, for example, water fluoridation is logistically difficult because of the terrain and because there are tens of thousands of separate sources for drinking water.
This is why Western Europe relies more on salt fluoridation, fluoride rinse programs and other means to get fluoride to the public

I was driving down Roe Highway today with a 100 km/ h limit.

With the traffic busy around 90 km/h is the max speed you could go in the right lane.

I was travelling in the left lane at around 85km/h and I watched in amazement at a car that sped up to around 100 km/h after overtaking me then he had to brake almost immediately as there was a large truck in the right lane ahead that was only doing 90 km/ h presumably as the vehicle ahead of him was close by.

Anyway from the Kenwick Link on ramp to the Nicholson Rd exit,a distance of around 2 kilometres he was between a metre and a metre and a half behind the truck.

The three to four vehicles behind him were not driving much better!

Most of them were only giving a three metre gap.

I can only conclude we have been dumbed down by the fluoride or the toxins in vaccinations etc.

One bloke tail gating is one thing but a whole line of them each tail gating each other,you got to wonder what t f i g on.

I've never seen a dumb c#nt with great teeth

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fangman said..
.......... nor measure how much toothpaste each participant swallowed/

Swallowing every day might have prevented the pregnancy too I guess.

Seriously though, good points about the lack of attention to the actual dosage ingested.

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japie said..

Of course this does not apply in Australia as Medicare does not include dental services regardless of the fact that poor dental health is a major contributor to ill health.

I am still a cynic when people say this.

Do you think it would be normal to find a person that takes great care with their teeth, but does not exercise and is morbidly obese?

Do you think that it would be normal to find someone that is fit and healthy, goes to the gym regularly, eats a balanced diet, yet has really bad teeth caused by neglect?

I would say that poor dental health is probably related to poor health overall.

I recall watching a tv show back when I had Telly where pathologists did post mMorten's on very old skeletons.

In the episode I watched they examined the skeleton of a high ranking church cleric whose lower jaw bone had a massive cavity in it. It was this that the pathologists reckoned caused his demise.

Of course you cannot isolate factors which is exactly what our medical system does.

However it is becoming quite widely accepted that dental infections provide a gateway for bacteria into the bloodstream.

Ive always looked after my teeth although I have massive damage caused by an accident. Until I was about fifty years old I'd never had a tooth ache and wondered what all the fuss was about. I soon found out! I would have suffered really badly had I been sailing or otherwise isolated from medical help.

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japie said..
I recall watching a tv show back when I had Telly where pathologists did post mMorten's on very old skeletons.

In the episode I watched they examined the skeleton of a high ranking church cleric whose lower jaw bone had a massive cavity in it. It was this that the pathologists reckoned caused his demise.

Of course you cannot isolate factors which is exactly what our medical system does.

However it is becoming quite widely accepted that dental infections provide a gateway for bacteria into the bloodstream.

I guess a major infection is going to cause a problem, no doubt in a time when medicine wasn't as advanced as it is now.

I started seeing 'ads' about 'bacteria from gum disease has been linked to heart disease' or something like that at the dentist's office. I still think that they are linking two things that may not be cause and effect.

It makes me laugh right now that my hugely obese coworker came back from a visit to the dental hygenist telling me that 'poor dental hygene is linked to earlier death' or something similar. I think they told him this to ensure that he makes regular visits to the hygenist for $110 treatments. He was quite adamant that it is a problem, yet I couldn't help but think that he is chasing the wrong problem...

He actually seems to have quite bad teeth, and I don't know if this is because he spent his earlier years living in a country without flouridated water, or whether its bad dental care, or just bad luck with the genes?

I now think genes might have something to do with it. I had my dentist tell me something like 'its good that you don't drink soft drinks', which i drink too much of. She was surprised that my teeth are in such good condition, and I will admit that up until I was a teenager, I never really looked after my teeth that well. My father also seems to have had good teeth, and again not from OCD dental hygene.

Is it flouride in the water that gives Australians such good teeth? I think so. You only have to visit somewhere with similar lifestyles to us, but where they don't add flouride, to see the difference in their teeth.

I had a couple of mates at school who were brought up on a farm in the Karoo. They were a very large family and they all had shocking teeth problems but were also all very well built and astonishingly accomplished athletes. Ate very well.

They put their dental problems down to bore water which was short on
minetals. Tasted pretty crap as well.

Rockmagnet posted an interesting article from New Scientist which links oral bacteria to arthritis.

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petermac33 said..
I was driving down Roe Highway today with a 100 km/ h limit.

With the traffic busy around 90 km/h is the max speed you could go in the right lane.

I was travelling in the left lane at around 85km/h and I watched in amazement at a car that sped up to around 100 km/h after overtaking me then he had to brake almost immediately as there was a large truck in the right lane ahead that was only doing 90 km/ h presumably as the vehicle ahead of him was close by.

Anyway from the Kenwick Link on ramp to the Nicholson Rd exit,a distance of around 2 kilometres he was between a metre and a metre and a half behind the truck.

The three to four vehicles behind him were not driving much better!

Most of them were only giving a three metre gap.

I can only conclude we have been dumbed down by the fluoride or the toxins in vaccinations etc.

One bloke tail gating is one thing but a whole line of them each tail gating each other,you got to wonder what t f i g on.

Ummmmm,
poor driving associated with fluoride in the water and vaccinations?
Seriously?
What about the dumbing down effects of youtube.

Whatever else, I'm pretty thankful not to be living in the pre-dental technology age. The world must have been full of people with rotting and missing teeth.

If I'm reading it (the abstract) right, it reports that fluoride increased IQ in girls?

Data looks messy as ****.

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Harrow said..
Whatever else, I'm pretty thankful not to be living in the pre-dental technology age. The world must have been full of people with rotting and missing teeth.

Major cause of death; you can't chew.

Bloody frightening way to go. Slow as and painful to boot.

Remember Castaway and the ice skate?

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evlPanda said..
If I'm reading it (the abstract) right, it reports that fluoride increased IQ in girls?

Data looks messy as ****.

Yes. It's a feminist conspiracy

Back in the 80s they used to make us wash our mouths out with the awful stuff at school .Still sends a shudder up my spine.
Must of been a country thing as we drank rain water.

Once you realise rain is just all the particles of dust and stuff from below but wet you realise just how bad it is to drink rain water on a farm. All that crop spray gets whooshed up in a bubble hot air forms a cloud comes back down on ya neighbours shed and glug glug glug for years and years and years. Funny cause it never falls on your own rain water supply only ever someone elses.

Imagine living downwind of a asbestos mine

Speaking of dumbed-down, new research suggests that fluoridated water consumed by pregnant women might reduce children's intelligence. Obviously I'm not in a position to judge the validity of the research but I've always been deeply suspicious of the campaign to fluoridate our water. The only benefit claimed is a reduction in dental cavities and for this governments have gone to extraordinary lengths, including protracted court cases, to enforce adoption. This makes no sense at all. Unless of course the goal is a dumbed-down populace. Bertrand Russell, in his book 'The Impact of Science on Society' (1953) gave a clear indication of the long term goals of the Satanic 'elite': "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."


irishsavant.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-end-of-god.html

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petermac33 said..
Speaking of dumbed-down, new research suggests that fluoridated water consumed by pregnant women might reduce children's intelligence. Obviously I'm not in a position to judge the validity of the research but I've always been deeply suspicious of the campaign to fluoridate our water. The only benefit claimed is a reduction in dental cavities and for this governments have gone to extraordinary lengths, including protracted court cases, to enforce adoption. This makes no sense at all. Unless of course the goal is a dumbed-down populace. Bertrand Russell, in his book 'The Impact of Science on Society' (1953) gave a clear indication of the long term goals of the Satanic 'elite': "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species.

Three things
1. FFS
2. Give it a break
3. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."
You obviously haven't heard the song Cows With Guns. It was on YouTube, so therefore it's real. Here's the link:

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Harrow said..
Whatever else, I'm pretty thankful not to be living in the pre-dental technology age. The world must have been full of people with rotting and missing teeth.

Major cause of death before modern dental care was related to untreated tooth decay.

Fluoride destroys your pineal gland it calcifies it.
this is a fact, there is more than enough fluoride in your toothpaste per day if you clean your teeth but once a day.
flouride is not good for you, it's like saying bleach is good for you if your bones stick out your body cause it can make them white.
flouride in controlled and small doses does help with your teeth absolutely, it is not something you need daily and in every single mouthful of water you drink and cook your food in............

Flouride is good for you like salt is, you don't have salt in every meal, too much salt is bad for you, it isn't in high doses in every glass of liquid you drink.....

flouride is is a byproduct of manufacturing aluminium, have you ever met someone who worked in the aluminium industry for years

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petermac33 said..
Speaking of dumbed-down, new research suggests that fluoridated water consumed by pregnant women might reduce children's intelligence. Obviously I'm not in a position to judge the validity of the research but I've always been deeply suspicious of the campaign to fluoridate our water. The only benefit claimed is a reduction in dental cavities and for this governments have gone to extraordinary lengths, including protracted court cases, to enforce adoption. This makes no sense at all. Unless of course the goal is a dumbed-down populace. Bertrand Russell, in his book 'The Impact of Science on Society' (1953) gave a clear indication of the long term goals of the Satanic 'elite': "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."


irishsavant.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-end-of-god.html

Dumbed down?

Pete if you want to convince people of your beliefs I think you've just lost the entire audience. Did you read what this thread is about, or just do the usual - saw Fluoride and posted another link without actually reading the thread...?

You accuse us all of not being able to absorb info or think rationally..... wow.

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Razzonater said.. flouride is is a byproduct of manufacturing aluminium, have you ever met someone who worked in the aluminium industry for years

More "good science."

Lets do more!

Water is a byproduct of the burning of fossil fuel in an internal combustion engine. Have you ever met anyone who drinks from their exhaust pipe and lived?

Organic compost is a product of animal sh!t. They PUT IT ON YOUR VEGETABLES WHEN GROWING!!!!
Have you ever met anyone who ate animal sh!t and lived?

We can do that all day.

Ridiculous comparison Mark.