In one of the last areas of bushland at the south end of Lancelin, behind the famous back beach (which is a world class awesome kiting location) the Shire of Gingin is proposing to rezone land which is currently zoned Parks and recreational land, and place 291 caravan, chalet and tent sites, how do you think this will affect kiters ability to enjoy the sport we all love , surely kite restrictions will eventually be introduced. We are for progress in this town for camping but not hovering over an already delicate coast line, please share your concern with the Shire of Gingin before the end of this month, they are closing in on us and we need to stand to up for the bush, the coast, the ability to enjoy the ocean freely without restrictions and rules and to keep this place for future generations to enjoy. There are other locations that are more suitable for this caravan park that won't affect our environment as much, please contact Gingin shire if you enjoy kiting in lancelin and want It to stay how it is

The caravan park is already just behind the dunes at the kiter's beach (the point)

If they extend it south, I don't see how it will affect water users at all?

Shires, Councils and land developers do not listen to protest. It doesn't make them money. They will build despite what the locals and supporting protesters say. In time it will be developed. Take a look at Hillarys boat harbour, Coogee and a few others like Gorgon. Alkimos is another one. Sorry to burst your bubble but Lancelin gets packed out in peak season and the shire council want in.. as much as they can. They will capitalise. Sadly, nothing stays the same for ever. . Wedge Island is just hanging in there, they are just waiting for the right time. Enjoy it while you can and start to explore new spots.

Best way to improve back beach would be to ban ALL the bogans in four-wheel drives!

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Pugwash said..
Best way to improve back beach would be to ban ALL the bogans in four-wheel drives!

That at least should be doable. Swings and roundabouts for attracting the tourist dollar you'd think?

Lancelin doesn't have a local car dealer selling the beach driving dream do they?

This has been posted by someone who owns a holiday home directly opposite the proposed site. Their motivation is purely personal, they do not care about the dunes or the bushland, they are only concerned about themselves. They have not received any support from the locals due to their approach to the proposal. If there was a proposal to remove the bushland and dune so they could have beach views, then it would be a completely different story. At the moment they have a very big dune and bushland in front of their house so they can't even see the ocean. These people are going the wrong way about getting support, all they are doing is making themselves unpopular with the residents of the town, who desperately want improvement. I remember a few years back when we had the first meeting about this development, there was another holiday home owner who lived over the road from the proposed development who had asked the local fire department to back-burn the whole area because it was a fire hazard, only weeks later at this meeting he took a completely different approach and said that the proposal couldn't go ahead because it would damage the precious bush land, I complete change of turn. I remember the head of the fire department here, reminding this person that he only weeks before he had asked him to burn it!!!!!

Only good can come this development.

Congrats to the Shire for looking after the campers for a change and not selling out to some greedy developer who ends up with access to the beach for their patrons.
Coastal caravan parks have been disappearing for the last decade and if councils want people back to spend money in their towns,providing reasonable priced camping spots are the way to go.
Three cheers for the shire on this proposal and the sooner the better!

I'm usually not the caravan park kind, but I do go to Guilderton a bit. I like Lano but I don't go there. I probably would if there was a better option for camping then the current facilities they have there (although it has been a while and there may be improvements)

As I posted in the other kitesurfing thread.

I like the idea of development. I also believe there is a 150m exclusion zone between the beach and park. I hope it gets the go ahead. Lanno needs the proper kind of infrastructure for the population of tourists that head up that way.

IMHO a caravan park would have a smaller environmental impact than the hundreds of shacks up at Wedge.

Council could undertake the development without rezoning if it deemed the proposal was consistent with the purpose of the reserve. Parks and Recreation is generally for Crown Land. Council if it has the power to lease could still make the proposal happen.

The Council would also need to ensure that setbacks for the development are in accordance with state policy.

Actually we live here and my partner has done for most of his adult life, it's nothing to due with views, we love this area and want to protect the dunes and bushland. Better to know a few more details next time you post

They will sell the land to a developer, the shire will not be building the park.

Best to have private enterprise develop
the site. The shire is not in the business of caravan park development. Best leave some things to the experts.

Say the park cost 100m to build. Say 100 sites booked on average per weekend, each person spends $500. That's a tonne of money going into the shops!

I should purchase the petrol station!

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annaspanna said..
In one of the last areas of bushland at the south end of Lancelin, behind the famous back beach (which is a world class awesome kiting location) the Shire of Gingin is proposing to rezone land which is currently zoned Parks and recreational land, and place 291 caravan, chalet and tent sites, how do you think this will affect kiters ability to enjoy the sport we all love , surely kite restrictions will eventually be introduced. We are for progress in this town for camping but not hovering over an already delicate coast line, please share your concern with the Shire of Gingin before the end of this month, they are closing in on us and we need to stand to up for the bush, the coast, the ability to enjoy the ocean freely without restrictions and rules and to keep this place for future generations to enjoy. There are other locations that are more suitable for this caravan park that won't affect our environment as much, please contact Gingin shire if you enjoy kiting in lancelin and want It to stay how it is

Like where? Are you proposing a different location?

I live,kite und windsurf in Lancelin since 28 years, people are not against a
Caravan park or progress in town.please read and understand comments properly
Befor you respond.we are against the LOCATION and for the shire to re-zone and sell bushland and
Dunes that act as a protection barrier against future see level changes and erosions, the preservation of this bushland/dunes will benefit and Protect the whole town.go and see what happens to the grace darling park and to the dunes at the back beach
A alternative spot for the park could be at the entry to the town behind the
Information bay.The park would be still within walking distance to the back
Beach but much further South so swimmers and kite surfers would not interfere
With each other and a possible kite ban would not be needed.

Caravan parks and tent sites really need to be as close to the beach as possible, specially in a place like Lancelin.
People don't go there for the mountain scenery. They go there for the beach, so logically, the closer it is to the main beach, the better it is.
Kids can then walk to the beach instead of having to use the car.
AN extension of the original site would be the best option, so long as it doesn't all get used for putting holiday villas all over it. For that reason, I think the local council should maintain control of it. Maybe lease the land on a 25 year lease or something. And put very clear restrictions on what the land can be used for.
If it's just handed over to some private mob to develop, you can be sure the caravan park and tent sites will be a very temporary thing and it will all end up as overpriced holiday villas, and the campers will be back in the scrub somewhere, copping camping fines.

Most of the beach side caravan parks down south are now "tourist villages" where some poor suckers pay $250,000 for a very small patch of dirt with a donga on it disguised as a small house, and with little or no security of tenure, a bit like Cervantes really.
"Congratulations,.. we've sold the park,.. you're out,.. now pith off !"

Annaspanna the dunes will not be damaged,it just grass and scrub,no orchids grow there,,tourist are good for lancelin, as its a tourist town.The Gingin Shire will do the right thing where the planning is concerned,and I'm sure the beach won't be affected, so I'm not sure what the problem is

Yes I agree with you andreastevens I made a couple of comment on the Facebook save the back beach page,just my opinion on the subject,and they were deleted,the face book page is not truthful and is misleading

you may ask yourself what exactly is it thats worth saving? Well i can only put it like this.
backbeach has good banks for one reason and that is due to the coastal dunes. All up and down the coast coastal dunes are built on, cut down stabilized. Basically turned into concrete.No sand in an easterly will ever make a bank again.look at the states best beach breaks down south,up north. They all have natural dunes and untampered beaches.
With the summer Sw winds this clears the bay of weed, all the sand which comes off these dunes moves up to form a point in front of edwards island.
This sand gives a good base for the sea grass where many fish and tiny sea creatures live. Its a similar sort of set up as a nursery.
Currently in lanno theres two caravan parks and eleventy eight million holiday homes. Theres room around both of them to expand on already built on flattened land. Has the council considered this?
Has anyone involved done a study to see where all the seaweed will end up if you lose eddies point because theres no sand movement left.
What about the fragile ecology of the coastal dunes themselves,
Has there been a study of endemic birds which frequent the area and their nesting sites in the proposed caravan park site?
Is this the same area as where they have Designated 4wd access tracks to the beach so as to minimise the ecological impact?
Not only to the coastal dune stabilisation but also the native endemic flora and fauna?
With the current low impact access arrangement in plan why destroy it?
How big is the footprint of the proposed site?
And if you are genuine about accomodation shortage reasons etc why has the government not established a camping ground here already?
Cant camp at wedge cause we are worried about impact on the dunes radaradarada but we will plan to build a giant behemoth high impact caravan park instead of providing a low impact controlled campground.
Cant camp at back beach rada rada rad but we will take crown coastal land and sell ( I mean destroy ) for a quick buck and not what is really in the communities best interest ( probably to the highest bidder with the greasiest hair and smile)
Has anyone stopped and asked why back beach is so good?
Cause no one has been given the chance to F#%&k it,
well greasy developers this is your lucky day

I think Lancelin would benefit from some form of tourist development - BUT I do not want to see the back beach impacted at all (Apart from that car park getting a long overdue resurface and someone raking out all of those bloody bark-chips from the path to the beach )

as a local living in a holiday destination im not for increasing the amount of visitors to my bit of paradise, I live here for the peace and quiet, however holiday time brings plenty of good people to our town along with a fair amount of scum, the increase of rubbish , noise ( usually alcohol related) and general disrespect for our town make my f88888g blood boil, the only people to benefit are local caravan parks, general business doesn't as they bring food, grog and fuel from perth, even if they didn't it only goes into the pockets of a select few,

Razzonater they specifically have said a 150m setback - the dunes won't be touched.

The site is cnr of Hopkins and Casserley, don't fall for the "Back Beach" description, people making it sound like the Back Beach carpark is to be ripped up to make BrisVegas and it is untrue.

There is already infrastructure there with the pumping station for the water tower so it is not like it is untouched natural bush, it is a flat bit with tracks and a pipeline thru it.

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Mark _australia said...
Razzonater they specifically have said a 150m setback - the dunes won't be touched.

The site is cnr of Hopkins and Casserley, don't fall for the "Back Beach" description, people making it sound like the Back Beach carpark is to be ripped up to make BrisVegas and it is untrue.

There is already infrastructure there with the pumping station for the water tower so it is not like it is untouched natural bush, it is a flat bit with tracks and a pipeline thru it.

Thankyou mark, fair comment, I google earthed it i have calmed down maybe 50 percent.
It just feels that the governments selling us out all up and down the coast, where what was once public space/crown land gets sold to developers who than charge you to access what is everyones resource.

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Mark _australia said..

The site is cnr of Hopkins and Casserley, don't fall for the "Back Beach" description, people making it sound like the Back Beach carpark is to be ripped up to make BrisVegas and it is untrue.

It's a fairly large area compared to the existing caravan park. It goes from Giigin Rd all the way past Ayres Cres:




I would prefer to see the existing caravan parks improved and for the north end caravan park not to be closed and turned into a development

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Pugwash said..
Best way to improve back beach would be to ban ALL the bogans in four-wheel drives!

4WDs are already banned between Edward Island Point and the southern back beach car park. The signs don't stop many though from speeding along that part of the back beach, nearly running down kids and driving up various dunes to see how far they can get their 4WD up. It's not policed well enough by the ranger. He's probably too busy writing parking tickets.

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holgs said..

Mark _australia said..

The site is cnr of Hopkins and Casserley, don't fall for the "Back Beach" description, people making it sound like the Back Beach carpark is to be ripped up to make BrisVegas and it is untrue.

It's a fairly large area compared to the existing caravan park. It goes from Giigin Rd all the way past Ayres Cres:


I would prefer to see the existing caravan parks improved and for the north end caravan park not to be closed and turned into a development

The other two caravan parks aren't that big and as I mentioned in the other thread on this they are owner by developers not tourism operators. They are sitting on them for the apparent land value so don't really care about fixing them up and the Shire of Gingin don't really have many options to force them to lift their game.

"Razzonater they specifically have said a 150m setback - the dunes won't be touched. "

haha Mark,
and what is with the people they will using the back beach tracks then? Just 50 or 100 of them, just on a normal weekend maybe?
yeah u right : the dunes won't be touched

And all the business people want to get busier? Really? Lano life style?
I don't think so!
They can't even handle 2 or 3 weeks in the main season!
Otherwise they'll need more stuff and bigger shops.

More people in town= more bogans, more alcohol and drugs, more crime, more traffic, more noise...( just to sell 3 t-shirts more?)
They will need more coppers, more rangers, more ambos....

Do they really have to develop everything and everywhere?
Why so many people living here and so many people love lano how it is?

Mark_australia please have a look at the area shoots of the proposed Caravan park site, it is not about the old caravan park site!
THIS is the back beach have you been in Lancelin lately?
The back beach bushland it is still a untouched nature reserve and it serves among otherthings for the Edward Island bird life! And as you might not be aware Edward Island is zoned as a nature reserve!

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sausalito said..
"Razzonater they specifically have said a 150m setback - the dunes won't be touched. "

haha Mark,
and what is with the people they will using the back beach tracks then? Just 50 or 100 of them, just on a normal weekend maybe?
yeah u right : the dunes won't be touched

I was referrign to peoples incorrect assertion that the banks will be gone due to removal of dunes
Look at the map, there will be a couple of walk paths and they naturally follow the valleys in the dunes.
Look at how far it is back from the water.

This thread started with how it will affect kiters at the point (false, nowhere near it) and back beach (no, it is well inland)

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Mark _australia said..

sausalito said..
"Razzonater they specifically have said a 150m setback - the dunes won't be touched. "

haha Mark,
and what is with the people they will using the back beach tracks then? Just 50 or 100 of them, just on a normal weekend maybe?
yeah u right : the dunes won't be touched

I was referrign to peoples incorrect assertion that the banks will be gone due to removal of dunes
Look at the map, there will be a couple of walk paths and they naturally follow the valleys in the dunes.
Look at how far it is back from the water.

This thread started with how it will affect kiters at the point (false, nowhere near it) and back beach (no, it is well inland)

This is one of many reasons to protect the back beach and adjoining bushland.It will affect the kiters we can kite with 15 knots or
less and there will be swimmers in the water and there will be restrictions. Even if you don't think there will be people swimming, there are quite
alot of people that do swim on a hot day in the wind. If its further south they will be swimming at the back beach surf area, where not many people
kite, which would spread out the people on the coast strip and make it good for everyone