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Created by dirtyharry dirtyharry  > 9 months ago, 22 May 2017
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dirtyharry
dirtyharry

WA

444 posts

22 May 2017 5:32pm
How can I calculate the air pressure in a submerged (in water) object with air trapped in it? For example when you push an inverted glass into a sink full of water, as you push the glass deeper the pressure of the air trapped inside it increases. How can I calculate this pressure increase for different depths, volumes, shapes etc?
Thanks.
nnnbrewery
nnnbrewery

NSW

69 posts

22 May 2017 8:12pm
The pressure is related to the weight of the water column above the glass. Shape of the glass has no effect.

From diving, they say roughly 10m down is 1 "atmosphere" extra pressure. So, if air pressure is roughly 100 kPa at sea level, then at around 10m underwater, pressure will be roughly 200 kPa. At 20m down the, pressure should be around 300 kPa. These are round numbers, do a search for more exact figures.

If the "glass" is actually a fully closed capsule (e.g. bottle with airtight lid on), then air pressure within it will remain the same as it was filled at, unless it gets crushed inwards by the increase in external pressure.

Try some experiments.
- Next time on a plane, half drink a bottle of water at the airport, seal it, and open it at cruising altitude. (should get a bit of a "pfft" as you open it, and maybe a little spray of water if you shake it before opening).
- When at cruising altitude, finish drinking said bottle of water, and seal it. Watch what happens as you come in to land. (flimsy plastic bottles crush inwards).
- Take your empty plastic bottle and go free diving as deep as you can with it (it will mostly likely crush inwards).

Science is fun. Or maybe I'm easily entertained.
cisco
cisco

QLD

12364 posts

22 May 2017 9:04pm
Boyle's Law "P1 x V1 divided by T1 = P2 x V2 divided by T2".
StKKiter
StKKiter

SA

85 posts

22 May 2017 8:48pm
If the vessel has an opening or is perfectly flexible pressure (Pa) = depth (m) x 9.81 x density (1000 for fresh water, ~1025-1030 for sea water)
Chris6791
Chris6791

WA

3271 posts

22 May 2017 7:31pm
As the others said if the container is flexible or open ended then its only the depth that really matters - unless you get specific between salt water and fresh water.

Online calculator, choose your depth and units of measurement.

www.calctool.org/CALC/other/games/depth_press
dirtyharry
dirtyharry

WA

444 posts

22 May 2017 7:54pm
Thanks heaps everyone, looks like I was overthinking it.
GreenPat
GreenPat

QLD

4096 posts

23 May 2017 12:26am
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nnnbrewery said..

Science is fun. Or maybe I'm easily entertained.


Science is definitely fun.
Jupiter
Jupiter

2156 posts

22 May 2017 11:14pm
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nnnbrewery said..
Try some experiments.
- Next time on a plane, half drink a bottle of water at the airport, seal it, and open it at cruising altitude. (should get a bit of a "pfft" as you open it, and maybe a little spray of water if you shake it before opening).
- When at cruising altitude, finish drinking said bottle of water, and seal it. Watch what happens as you come in to land. (flimsy plastic bottles crush inwards).
- Take your empty plastic bottle and go free diving as deep as you can with it (it will mostly likely crush inwards).

Science is fun. Or maybe I'm easily entertained.

You have explained it very well. Thank you. Unfortunately, the experiment you suggested may not be feasible nowadays. The airlines won't let you take fluids on board, I believe. Terrorism related.
StKKiter
StKKiter

SA

85 posts

23 May 2017 9:28am
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You have explained it very well. Thank you. Unfortunately, the experiment you suggested may not be feasible nowadays. The airlines won't let you take fluids on board, I believe. Terrorism related.



Liquids are still allowed on Aus domestic flights, it is only international flights that don't allow them over a certain size (100ml iirc)
nnnbrewery
nnnbrewery

NSW

69 posts

23 May 2017 10:17am
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Jupiter said..

nnnbrewery said..
Try some experiments.
- Next time on a plane, half drink a bottle of water at the airport, seal it, and open it at cruising altitude. (should get a bit of a "pfft" as you open it, and maybe a little spray of water if you shake it before opening).
- When at cruising altitude, finish drinking said bottle of water, and seal it. Watch what happens as you come in to land. (flimsy plastic bottles crush inwards).
- Take your empty plastic bottle and go free diving as deep as you can with it (it will mostly likely crush inwards).

Science is fun. Or maybe I'm easily entertained.

You have explained it very well. Thank you. Unfortunately, the experiment you suggested may not be feasible nowadays. The airlines won't let you take fluids on board, I believe. Terrorism related.



You can still buy water bottles past the security gates, and take them on the plane.
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