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Macroscien
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8 Aug 2018 7:51pm
clarence
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8 Aug 2018 7:59pm
Left side.
cauncy
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8 Aug 2018 6:15pm
We're windsurfers
2+2=
Macroscien
Macroscien
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8 Aug 2018 8:20pm
cauncy said..
We're windsurfers
2+2=



so let's imagine girl is windsurfing and keep cheap aluminum boom which is about to break ....?at which end more likely?
Macroscien
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8 Aug 2018 8:23pm
busterwa said..
In saying that if its a cheap mass produced product the failure point could be anywhere


It could be kiter too, somehow massed up lines and now one is shorter then another.Which line is going to break first ?
busterwa
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8 Aug 2018 6:37pm
Theres a lot of variables. . Its not a puzzle its a hypothetical question lacking in content..
lotofwind
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8 Aug 2018 9:00pm
Macroscien said..
so let's imagine girl is windsurfing and keep cheap aluminum boom which is about to break ....?at which end more likely?



Windsurfing young girl,,,,,,,,, so is this a question from the 70's .
rockmagnet
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8 Aug 2018 9:03pm
Wouldn't happen on a sup
crustysailor
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8 Aug 2018 9:47pm
or for the yachties,
your springlines' snagged around the centre cleat whilst trying to leave a dock and is on the verge of breaking, and if it breaks your blow down onto the Bertram stinkboat alongside in the pen.
Assuming you've moored to port, forward or reverse to avoid breaking line?



nebbian
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8 Aug 2018 10:04pm
Right side.

Take the thought experiment to its logical conclusion. Imagine the right hand line is vertical, then the left hand side will be loose.

Also, in engineering science you would "Tip to tail the arrows", which basically means that you end up with a longer arrow on the right hand side than the left: meaning the right hand line is more heavily loaded.
Subsonic
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8 Aug 2018 10:42pm
From her perspective, or our perspective?
dmitri
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9 Aug 2018 6:59am
Macroscien said..



2 tendons connect bicep to the shoulder: the long one and the short one.
am waterstarting and getting pulled by 50 knts gust, one of the tendons is going to break.
Which one is it ?

Wish I didn't know the answer
evlPanda
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9 Aug 2018 11:16am
Subsonic said..
From her perspective, or our perspective?


Yes.

The left side, from our perspective, has more weight on it due to it being longer; the weight of the line itself.

Not unlike a whale falling faster on the moon than a dog. (it does)

What?!


If you put two neutron stars 5km apart and let them go they would fall toward each other pretty damn fast. like that [clicks fingers].

Why? Because they have immense mass.

So, two objects fall toward each other at a speed depending on their combined mass.

So, a whale will fall faster toward the moon (and the moon toward the whale) faster than a dog.

...unless they are dropped at the same time, next to each other, in which case they'll fall even faster than the whale alone.

/coffee
clarence
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9 Aug 2018 11:28am
One agreement to the left side (from viewers perspective) vs five for the right.

Assumes each anchor point has a breaking load well above that of the clothesline; Nellie's hand is gripping clothesline tight (ie not like a pulley and able to slide); same knots at each end; we are talking about viewer's persepctive.

Left is still most likely to break IMO.

www.ropebook.com/information/vector-forces/


Clarence
djt91184
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9 Aug 2018 11:31am
dmitri said..

Macroscien said..




2 tendons connect bicep to the shoulder: the long one and the short one.
am waterstarting and getting pulled by 50 knts gust, one of the tendons is going to break.
Which one is it ?

Wish I didn't know the answer


Itd be a ligament
Windpasser
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9 Aug 2018 9:32am
Easy, the right side will break.

Here is my working out Mr Macro.



What? How dare you accuse me of cheating. I've never even heard of this "Goggle" before.

nebbian
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9 Aug 2018 9:40am
Clarence, you would be correct if the two ropes weren't sharing the load. But they are sharing the load, and the right hand rope will take the majority of the force.

Windpasser's diagram is basically the same as engineering science's "Tip to tail the arrows", although they don't actually tip to tail them.
Poida
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9 Aug 2018 9:53am
Structural engineering 101 - statics
where are the first year engineering students?

right line is under more tension
dmitri
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9 Aug 2018 2:23pm
One more ? Apologies if this is old.


Macroscien
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9 Aug 2018 2:34pm
dmitri said..
One more ? Apologies if this is old.



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Razzonater
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9 Aug 2018 12:42pm
This is a reverse rigging question
the left hand side of the load from the fulcrum point ( her hand ) is at a larger angle and the right hand side is an in-line load.
there is no mention of the lineal strength or shear strength of the rope anchor points either.
If utilising an m8 anchor point it is likely that the left side is close or near to yield and the right side is not at shear load and retains more strength.

if you were rigging on my job with ya chains at 160 degrees there would be a few questions.
dmitri
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9 Aug 2018 2:42pm
^^bingo Macro !
Poida
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9 Aug 2018 12:46pm
trick question
0
Windpasser
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9 Aug 2018 1:49pm
If I buy a carton of beer, and have only had "3 beers" after 4 hours when asked "How many you had?"

How many beers are actually left?
Macroscien
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9 Aug 2018 4:07pm
Windpasser said..
If I buy a carton of beer, and have only had "3 beers" after 4 hours when asked "How many you had?"

How many beers are actually left?


what about your mates? Stand still watching while you drink the lot?
Windpasser
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9 Aug 2018 2:18pm
Mates have their own supply, also their own judges. The judge is the other half.

Alcohol is so expensive these days It's BYO for most people I know, and everyone respects that.

You don't just take someone's $40 fermented/distilled beverage and scull it anymore in Australia.

The question was how many beers are left?

Windpasser
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9 Aug 2018 2:26pm
Anyway the answer is zero

Was a joke.....

A carton lasts 6 minutes these days
Buster fin
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9 Aug 2018 2:30pm
How many were in the carton initially?
Windpasser
Windpasser
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9 Aug 2018 2:49pm
The carton was placed into the refrigerator at a 90 degree angle opposing the horizontal cooling shelf. Maybe two vessels remained.

By the time it hit the fridge there is no more memories from the people involved.
Windpasser
Windpasser
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9 Aug 2018 2:55pm
Final Answer: Nellie Newton drunk the last two stubbies while everyone else was at the BBQ giving their opinion on which line would break first. Nobody was watching poor Nellie.

CPS showed up and found Nellie hanging from the clothesline, She was motionless, and the ropes were at different angles.

After hours of arguing, equations and mathematics, we all go to Gaol/Jail because instead of taking Nellie off the clothesline, we argued about the physics of which rope could break first.

I'm going to hell but why the **** is Nellie Newton hanging motionless from a clothesline Macro. And we are worried about which rope will break first......
Buster fin
Buster fin
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9 Aug 2018 3:11pm
Did any one bother to ask if she was OK?
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