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pweedas said..
And,.. give way to all traffic on the roundabout, and if you are approaching a roundabout with someone already on the roundabout but on your left, you DO NOT have right of way.

With someone already on the roundabout but on your left, you are in America, Europe or a little too drunk to be driving.

Not true!!

A vehicle may well still be on the round-about and to my left as I enter the round-about. If I clip the rear of their car as I enter, I am in the wrong. It happened to my wife about 2 years ago. The bloke entering the round-about behind my wife had to pay.

This sign provides no value in terms of directions or road conditions, its only purpose is to distract your attention from the road.

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sn said..

pweedas said..



It's not a matter of being inconsiderate. It's a matter of safety, for myself and others, and as far as I can, I take the safest option.

And lots of other stuff.............but,
I always thought the safest option is to drive to suit the conditions.
If that means slowing down - so be it.stephen
[ex truckie wot used to cart D.G. and kaboomy stuff all over the country]

Slowing down is always an option, and of course it is definitely legal,..however,..
that means all the traffic heading north into Perth on a friday night can only drive at 50km/hr for the whole 150km.
There is a continual stream of traffic heading the other way so you would never be able to use high beam.
And the law is quite specific that you must drive at a speed from which you can stop in the visable distance of your headlights, be it high or low beam.

From long experience I can reliably report, nobody drives up Forrest highway at 50 to 60 km/hr. Not even the drunk ones.
The ones who dip their lights and continue on at 110k, are driving blild, unless they are following another car, in which case, the front car is driving blind and the rest are following in his wake,. at a safe distance I hope.

I might say, that's what I usually do but late at night there is often nothing to follow.
If I follow about 200 metres behind I can tell when the front driver has come across something on the road because I see brake lights come on accompanied by violent weaving and perhaps a bit of a hop.
Ten seconds later when I get there, there's a half dead roo kicking about in the bush, or a shredded tyre onteh road or an anything else which shouldn't be driven over.
It's just plain dangerous.
Stay on high beam, but no spot lights.

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mick14 said..
This sign provides no value in terms of directions or road conditions, its only purpose is to distract your attention from the road.

I often see they are targeting fatigue on country roads.
I've never been pulled over and asked if I feel tired.
I suppose they just pin that one on you if they pull you over for something else and you doze off while they are talking to you.

Many years ago, one of my mates was pulled over for driving too slow and he was so drunk that when the cop opened the car door, he fell out onto the road.
He was leaning on the arm rest and just followed it out the door when it opened.
He was almost home and for some reason the cop just told him to go straight home and stay there.

Back on topic, if I may be so bold, I've seen two lit signs indicating that police want us to.... dunno the rest, the time taken to 'flip the page' was so long that I passed without it telling me. My attention on said sign the whole time. Glad nothing jumped out at me.

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Buster fin said..
Back on topic, if I may be so bold, I've seen two lit signs indicating that police want us to.... dunno the rest, the time taken to 'flip the page' was so long that I passed without it telling me. My attention on said sign the whole time. Glad nothing jumped out at me.

I think they get excited with their new signs and want to show they are a great idea, so they start displaying garbage on them. They installed signs on the freeway near me a while ago and they had pointless comments on them, which served just to make people start ignoring them.

I don't think they realise that if they are used for unimportant information, people start ignoring them.

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I dunno, would you ignore these?



FormulaNova said..
I don't think they realise that if they are used for unimportant information, people start ignoring them.

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saltiest1 said..

pweedas said..
They are just normal headlights, not HID or anything overly bright.
I have checked alignment etc and all is good.

I also notice they do it to other cars that I might be behind when I am on low beam but the front car is still on high beam.

I think it's a bit like roundabouts,.. most people don't know the rules.

Roundabouts. It's give way to any and all traffic ON the roundabout. Not give way to the right.

It's exactly the same as give way signs, so I don't know where they get the impression that roundabout signs mean just 'give way to the right'.

So,,.. note to all,
You can maintain high beam on a divided carriageway. ( but do the right thing,, if it's on a curve and your lights are blazing across into the oncoming traffic, dip for a short period.)

And,.. give way to all traffic on the roundabout, and if you are approaching a roundabout with someone already on the roundabout but on your left, you DO NOT have right of way.

so you know other drivers are put out and perhaps at times unable to see parts of the road and surrounds but you don't care as the law states you don't have to?
you my good fellow are what is known as an A$$HOLE. just be polite and flick down and keep the peace and safety on the roads for all of us who spend waaaay too many hours on them please.

Fixed it for you...



If you get a flick of high beam off me one night, its because your creating glare for me and making it dangerous for me - standby for daylight if you dont drop your high beams!!!



(Then by all means drive on high beams - while your retinas are fried!)

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I dunno, would you ignore these?



FormulaNova said..
I don't think they realise that if they are used for unimportant information, people start ignoring them.

See, that's where I get confused.

Does the sign mean 'take caution because there are zombies ahead' or 'caution the zombies ahead', or something else? Can zombies even read?

Interesting that many people find the fog lights annoying. I never use them and have always wondered about their purpose (not having to deal with much fog).

What is it about them that makes them annoying? Mine seem pretty low and don't seem any brighter than normal low beam lights but I have a mate who accidentally turned them on and got a fine. Maybe i just have crap ones and all the others are mega bright?

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rod_bunny said..

saltiest1 said..

pweedas said..
They are just normal headlights, not HID or anything overly bright.
I have checked alignment etc and all is good.

I also notice they do it to other cars that I might be behind when I am on low beam but the front car is still on high beam.

I think it's a bit like roundabouts,.. most people don't know the rules.

Roundabouts. It's give way to any and all traffic ON the roundabout. Not give way to the right.

It's exactly the same as give way signs, so I don't know where they get the impression that roundabout signs mean just 'give way to the right'.

So,,.. note to all,
You can maintain high beam on a divided carriageway. ( but do the right thing,, if it's on a curve and your lights are blazing across into the oncoming traffic, dip for a short period.)

And,.. give way to all traffic on the roundabout, and if you are approaching a roundabout with someone already on the roundabout but on your left, you DO NOT have right of way.

so you know other drivers are put out and perhaps at times unable to see parts of the road and surrounds but you don't care as the law states you don't have to?
you my good fellow are what is known as an A$$HOLE. just be polite and flick down and keep the peace and safety on the roads for all of us who spend waaaay too many hours on them please.

Fixed it for you...
If you get a flick of high beam off me one night, its because your creating glare for me and making it dangerous for me - standby for daylight if you dont drop your high beams!!!
(Then by all means drive on high beams - while your retinas are fried!)

That's the funny thing. Some of the truckies do just that, and it doesn't bother me at all because they are aimed along their side of the road 50 metre to one side, not at me, the same way as MY lights are NOT aimed at them. If their blazing wall of lights is not bothering me, why do my pissy little lights bother them?
Probably because they are pedantic pricks.
Anyway, blaze awy, it doesn't bother me at all.

You're asking me to be a good fellow and drive blind.
I could ask others to be good fellows and put up with a bit if light in the side of their eyes.
That's a lot less dangerous than driving blind.
And it wont be much consolation when I end up runnig over some poor sod whose broken down on the side of the road and I run him over.
What do I tell him? Sorry I was just being polite to drivers over on that road over there.?
I might just stay on high beam thanks.
You can feel free to do the same.
I don't mind at all. In fact I expect it. Many drivers do. Specially the ones who know the rules.
PS. I'm also the A$$HOLE who is driving at the spped limit and holding you up. Sorry about that. Feel free to use your STEERING WHEEL to pull out and pass.
You don't need to shunt me along.
And it's the speed limit on a GPS so it's definitely not an error.

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paddymac said..
Interesting that many people find the fog lights annoying. I never use them and have always wondered about their purpose (not having to deal with much fog).
What is it about them that makes them annoying? Mine seem pretty low and don't seem any brighter than normal low beam lights but I have a mate who accidentally turned them on and got a fine. Maybe i just have crap ones and all the others are mega bright?

It's because fog lights are mounted low and angled up a bit.
They are not overly bright but the angle makes them offensive to some.
Probably the same ones who are offended by my high beam.
I don't have fog lights so I guess they need something else to be offended over.

Lets face it, some people are just easy to offend, which is what their horn is for I guess.

Next time I drive past on high beam, concentrate on the road ahead rather than my lights and you will see how little your visability is affected.

What Police aren't targeting .......that would be way easier .............
you can be assured there targeting your wallet .........how else do you get a pay raise

With the increase of fines and cameras and double demerit points why have we only 12 points

A quick road safety story

If you have owned a V8 UTE you know you really only get 10,000 to 15000 km out of rear tyres and that's with out doing burnouts.

Every time I got pulled over ,they would say my rear tyres are down on tread , and I was going to kill someone, I say yer Im watching the tread indicator and I was SAVING and getting ready to change them by the end of the month , the fine was always for INSUFFICIENT TREAD don't quote me but its proximately a 100-150 fine.

So there 100 150 less to spend on better quality tyres

But funny enough it was always deemed road worthy i.e never any yellow sticker issued for the concern of road safety to get tyres immediately with in 3days a week or 3 weeks.......

But I was always told I was going to kill someone and received this tax revenue fine or as I called it a right to drive a v8 fine and a better faster car than them.

By the 3rd time this happened I begged for a yellow sticker as it was cheaper and could nt help remind the constable on the line I could kill some one that I hand never seen a GUN jump out of its holster and shoot anyone

Don't get me wrong tyres are important

Ps Would be an interesting experiment to turn all the fken traffic lights off for a month something tells me speed would be reduced and we would all become more tolerant and better drivers

Ps When was the last time you got pulled over and had a chat and got a reminder/ warning with out the fine no wonder there is a higher percentage of hostility

www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/road/roundabouts

I know its for qld

Since 95% of AU's drivers seem to have been unofficially educated to give way to vehicles entering to their right at roundabouts, and it tends to make sense to do so (also helps prevent people dangerously racing each other to be the first to enter it), maybe they should make this the rule as well as giving way to those already on the roundabout?

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king of the point said..
Ps Would be an interesting experiment to turn all the fken traffic lights off for a month something tells me speed would be reduced and we would all become more tolerant and better drivers

Try Albany. It's a matter of council policy to NOT have any traffic lights. This is a town of 36,000+ people. Plenty of roundabouts plus a little education and experience makes it a far, FAR more pleasant experience, and the traffic flows very well indeed. This includes the fact that there up to 3 trailer road trains using the main, biggest and busiest roundabout all day. I'd venture a guess at up to 100 road trains a day, and it all works a-treat (that is until all the city slickers hit town for the Christmas holidays - uneducated and ill mannered!).

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dinsdale said..

king of the point said..
Ps Would be an interesting experiment to turn all the fken traffic lights off for a month something tells me speed would be reduced and we would all become more tolerant and better drivers

Try Albany. It's a matter of council policy to NOT have any traffic lights. This is a town of 36,000+ people. Plenty of roundabouts plus a little education and experience makes it a far, FAR more pleasant experience, and the traffic flows very well indeed. This includes the fact that there up to 3 trailer road trains using the main, biggest and busiest roundabout all day. I'd venture a guess at up to 100 road trains a day, and it all works a-treat (that is until all the city slickers hit town for the Christmas holidays - uneducated and ill mannered!).

Yeah and the parking in the centre of town, when some twit sits and waits for someone else to back out, not realising they are holding up the enter street Im one of those holiday traffic creeps and i am astounded at the increase in traffic over the last three years

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Buster fin said..
And for WA...
http://www.ors.wa.gov.au/Documents/Road-Rules/ors-road-craft-roundabouts.aspx

It's pretty elementary really.

On the subject of roundabouts, SA take a more pragmatic approach:

"You must Give Way to vehicles already in the roundabout. You should also take particular care of vehicles approaching or about to enter from your right because they may enter the roundabout before you." - See more at: mylicence.sa.gov.au/road-rules/the-drivers-handbook/roundabout#sthash.Qp0ZK1II.dpuf

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Buster fin said..
And for WA...http://www.ors.wa.gov.au/Documents/Road-Rules/ors-road-craft-roundabouts.aspx
It's pretty elementary really.

That explains it quite clearly but the main problem is:

People stop to give way to the person on their right.
They are forgetting that the person on their right may have to give way to the person on their right who might be going straight through or is giving way to the person on their right etc so could in fact keep driving & keep the traffic flowing.

You need to look at the big picture not just to the right, really simple.

I think it is clearer if you don't indicate when going straight only if turning & then you can indicate before you enter giving everyone the headsup, not springing it on them at the last second. Mostly a problem in small roundabouts.

The other problem is all the crap in the middle of roundabouts so you can't see people's indicators!

locally we have a couple of unusual dual lane roundabouts - if you are in the right lane you are only permitted to turn right (can't go straight), but you can turn left, right, or straight ahead from the left lane. The locals have it sorted but anyone new to the roundabout ends up in a prang or a near miss because they want to go straight ahead in the right lane (as you can do on 99.99% of other roundabouts). About every 10 days there is fresh headlight and indicator plastic scattered all over the roundabout.

Just 200m further down the road is another dual lane one where you can only turn left from the left lane, while the right lane has to merge to the left lane as you go around it - prangs again

Then they decide to resurface the road, but our line marking man is on a windsurfing holiday in maui, so everyone's driving all over the place because there are no lines or arrows marked on the roads

Anyway, in peak hour traffic blasting about, often folk don't have time to read the unusual road rules on the signs for those roundabouts

While we are talking about roundabouts, the town my parents live in has an 'impeller'. In effect, its just a little bit different to a cross intersection, but it looks enough like a roundabout that those that can't see too well, treat it as a roundabout. It makes for some interesting scenes, and I think the locals have learned to have more patience with it, as you never know if the other people approaching it know what to do.

where i used to live, they built a huge 500m circumference (people play street cricket in the middle of it) dual lane roundabout where a x intersection once was . For the first 6 months there were people driving around it in the wrong direction, in particular the elderly at night in their mercedes

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king of the point said..

Ps Would be an interesting experiment to turn all the fken traffic lights off for a month something tells me speed would be reduced and we would all become more tolerant and better drivers

This experiment was done years ago ['95ish?] when the entire traffic light system crashed during a power blackout that hit Perth.

At the time, I was living in Wembley Downs and working in Welshpool.

Normally, getting to and from work was a pig of a trip, with a stop-start peak hour crawl all the way.

During the blackout, it was 20 minutes quicker - everyone was courteous, and gave way at intersections, traffic flowed smoothly.

There was no road rage - and the sky didn't fall, everybody on the road knew to expect trouble and drove appropriately.

Mr Plod was astounded that there was not a single traffic accident or incident in Perth.


stephen

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paddymac said..
Interesting that many people find the fog lights annoying. I never use them and have always wondered about their purpose (not having to deal with much fog).

What is it about them that makes them annoying? Mine seem pretty low and don't seem any brighter than normal low beam lights but I have a mate who accidentally turned them on and got a fine. Maybe i just have crap ones and all the others are mega bright?

Was wondering the same thing. Never really thought much about fog lights at all. See people with them on all the time and have never found them intrusive..

Have them on my car (very small, a bit like an extra parking light) and turned them on once hoping other cars would see me better - stop pulling out right in front of me at the last second down this particularly notoriously steep road. It actually worked

Same thing happened - and a mate was fined for having them on.. we were both like WTF? Thought it safer for better visibility. Fog lights actually shine downwards. A down and outwards flat beam. Its why they work better in fog.

Anyways, turned them off now I know its "illegal".. so everyone can calm down

Go drive on the German autobahns. Punters drive at 200kph with high beams, fog lights, everything on - tells everyone to get the fek out of the fast lane now!.. No dramas at all.

I think people here just like to be outraged

The thing I find bemusing is all the too cool for school crowd in Perth with their foggies turned on in the daytime.

But in the country hardly anyone with lights on. Even worse on a grey sky day, on a grey road, cars with grey duco don't have their farken headlights on. Imbeciles.
The amount of times headlights have saved me is so persuasive I make sure mine are on all the time in the bush.

It's the combined brightness fog lights at night, along with the headlights, and often now also the rows of whatever the hell they are LED lights. You might as well just leave the high beam on be done with it, bright as hell. I'm country, where there are roos all over the place. It's nice to not be blind.

The other problem with fog lights is that they are often paired with high intensity red lights at the rear. These rear lights are as bright as brake lights, and subsequently the brake lights do not stand out - same effect as driving around with no brake lights.

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Mark _australia said..
The thing I find bemusing is all the too cool for school crowd in Perth with their foggies turned on in the daytime.

But in the country hardly anyone with lights on. Even worse on a grey sky day, on a grey road, cars with grey duco don't have their farken headlights on. Imbeciles.
The amount of times headlights have saved me is so persuasive I make sure mine are on all the time in the bush.

I drive with lights on most of the time, city or country - I can't see any downside, the upside is you're more visible.

I find it interesting that occasionally I got flashed by people who want to tell me I've got my lights on. Maybe it's a throwback to the days when lights didn't turn off automatically when you turned off the car... having lights on meant you risked a flat battery if you forgot.

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paddymac said..

Mark _australia said..
The thing I find bemusing is all the too cool for school crowd in Perth with their foggies turned on in the daytime.

But in the country hardly anyone with lights on. Even worse on a grey sky day, on a grey road, cars with grey duco don't have their farken headlights on. Imbeciles.
The amount of times headlights have saved me is so persuasive I make sure mine are on all the time in the bush.

I drive with lights on most of the time, city or country - I can't see any downside, the upside is you're more visible.

I find it interesting that occasionally I got flashed by people who want to tell me I've got my lights on. Maybe it's a throwback to the days when lights didn't turn off automatically when you turned off the car... having lights on meant you risked a flat battery if you forgot.

Unbelievable the number of drivers I see morning and evenings driving before and after sundown with lights OFF!!!.
Numnuts who have no bloody idea
Well know scientific fact that as the body ages, that by the time the eyes are 60 years of age, older eyes require average, six times the luminosity compared to a 20 year old, to see with the same clarity and definition. A dark colored vehicle blends in real sweet with background of grey buildings roads and landscape.
So if the coppers are targeting lights, then bloody good job

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mineral1 said..

paddymac said..

Mark _australia said..
The thing I find bemusing is all the too cool for school crowd in Perth with their foggies turned on in the daytime.

But in the country hardly anyone with lights on. Even worse on a grey sky day, on a grey road, cars with grey duco don't have their farken headlights on. Imbeciles.
The amount of times headlights have saved me is so persuasive I make sure mine are on all the time in the bush.

I drive with lights on most of the time, city or country - I can't see any downside, the upside is you're more visible.

I find it interesting that occasionally I got flashed by people who want to tell me I've got my lights on. Maybe it's a throwback to the days when lights didn't turn off automatically when you turned off the car... having lights on meant you risked a flat battery if you forgot.

Unbelievable the number of drivers I see morning and evenings driving before and after sundown with lights OFF!!!.
Numnuts who have no bloody idea
Well know scientific fact that as the body ages, that by the time the eyes are 60 years of age, older eyes require average, six times the luminosity compared to a 20 year old, to see with the same clarity and definition. A dark colored vehicle blends in real sweet with background of grey buildings roads and landscape.
So if the coppers are targeting lights, then bloody good job

In many EU countries, including Scandinavia (who seem to do things more logically), it is law to have your headlights on at all times, even during the day.

To those who are wondering why.. to make your vehicle more visible to other motorists at all times.

Some manufacturers are installing headlights in vehicles which turn on automatically when the vehicle has any forward movement.

Cant see any rational issue with having headlights on during the day. I certainly do when country driving or when in a high speed zone. The thing is.. I really do want others to see me as easily as possible on the road.

I too see many motorists without their headlights on early morning and evenings (retards). Many who only turn on their parking lights in low light environments also. You might as well put the driving lights on and be seen for sure!