is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Does anyone have a service manual for a Barlow 32 2 speed self tailing winch they can share?

How do the cows know when daylight savings ends...?

when it gets dark before you walk to the milking shed ya big silly .................

Its the parking inspectors car

I see a certain Maserati parked whenever it likes around Perth, seems to be invisible to parking inspectors

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paulyNOR said..
Its the parking inspectors car

I see a certain Maserati parked whenever it likes around Perth, seems to be invisible to parking inspectors

Of course it is, but surely it's not exempt?

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Junkyarddog said..
Does anyone have a service manual for a Barlow 32 2 speed self tailing winch they can share?

It's clowns like this that We need the thumbs down button back.

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Unhook3d said..
is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Who's going to fine them? Even if they have no exemption, someone has to catch them and do you really thing their own inspectors would do it? Its sort of irrelevant anyway as the money from the fine would go to the council who would pay the fine...

Do you charge yourself rent (payable to yourself) to live in your own house ?

If it is a council carpark on land owned or controlled by the council then they can set any regulation they like.

Just like you could if you owned the carpark. Would you charge yourself to park in your own carpark ?

When I worked for the council then council vehicles were exempt from paying parking fees when on council business. If it is a council owned vehicle under the control of somebody not engaged on official council business then there is probably some argument that they should pay. The relevant council (I imagine it isn't actually Timbuktu) parking regulations will be publically available. Search the council website.

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Junkyarddog said..
Does anyone have a service manual for a Barlow 32 2 speed self tailing winch they can share?

It's clowns like this that We need the thumbs down button back.

It's clowns like this that We need the thumbs down button back.

On a side note, I don't have any problem with the parking laws or any other laws.
However what really bugs me is the fact that some counciles hire the private contractors to police their parking laws. And the private contractor's main object is... ? To MAKE PROFIT.
See my thread
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/-We-don-t-need-no-stinking-badges-

Got a letter from the council confirming that my matter will be in Court.
Ha ! Never heard from them since.

Don't try and leave the country. There's a warrant out for your a$$.





Maybe.

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FormulaNova said..

Unhook3d said..
is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Who's going to fine them? Even if they have no exemption, someone has to catch them and do you really thing their own inspectors would do it? Its sort of irrelevant anyway as the money from the fine would go to the council who would pay the fine...

Well I would argue that it's not irrelevant if the inspector is there issuing tickets and his vehicle is illegally parked in the same area he is issuing tickets for, then all the tickets he has issued have reason to contest?

people need to remember that the council is EMPLOYED BY THE PEOPLE to work FOR THE PEOLPE.
They are NOT their own jurisdiction.

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FormulaNova said..

Unhook3d said..
is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Who's going to fine them? Even if they have no exemption, someone has to catch them and do you really thing their own inspectors would do it? Its sort of irrelevant anyway as the money from the fine would go to the council who would pay the fine...

Well I would argue that it's not irrelevant if the inspector is there issuing tickets and his vehicle is illegally parked in the same area he is issuing tickets for, then all the tickets he has issued have reason to contest?

people need to remember that the council is EMPLOYED BY THE PEOPLE to work FOR THE PEOLPE.
They are NOT their own jurisdiction.

If they are employed by the people and work for the people, the people would reasonably expect that the council fines people that don't follow the parking regulations. If they didn't people would just park whenever and however they want instead of providing parking that is needed.

So, unless you are trying to get out of a fine on a technicality by arguing that they were also illegally parked, what does it matter?

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FormulaNova said..

Unhook3d said..
is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Who's going to fine them? Even if they have no exemption, someone has to catch them and do you really thing their own inspectors would do it? Its sort of irrelevant anyway as the money from the fine would go to the council who would pay the fine...

Well I would argue that it's not irrelevant if the inspector is there issuing tickets and his vehicle is illegally parked in the same area he is issuing tickets for, then all the tickets he has issued have reason to contest?

people need to remember that the council is EMPLOYED BY THE PEOPLE to work FOR THE PEOLPE.
They are NOT their own jurisdiction.

But you have presented no evidence that the car IS illegally parked. All it would take is for the by-laws to include a clause saying "these parking restrictions do not apply to Council vehicles being used for their normal and proper purpose" or something like that.

Why would people have the right to challenge tickets even if the inspector's vehicle was parked illegally? It's irrelevant to the reason they were ticketed, which is that they left their cars for too long in a parking space where there are restrictions to allow other people to have their share of the available space. Would you applaud it if people got off a murder because the police car that caught them went 3 kmh over the speed limit? That's the same principle that you are calling for.

The Council could very easily say that allowing its cars to be parked there IS "for the people". It may allow the Council staff to work more effectively and therefore get more done to help "the people". For example, the car may be the sanitary inspector's car. What is so terrible about the inspector being allowed to park there if it means that they can save time and do a closer check of the kitchen in the local cafe to make sure the saucepans are not out the back where rats can crawl on them (and yes, it does happen)?

Councils can become rather arrogant, and believe they are above its constituents.
Wanneroo shire just infringed a Silver Chain vehicle who was supporting an ailing member of the shire community while parking in that members drive way Not extending across walkway, but fully in drive way.
Silver chain posted photo to show members how vehicle was parked at time of silver chain visit.
When questioned, the arrogant flogs came back with its standard malarkey that no standings permitted in this area....regardless.
Councils of this type need to have CEO and or Mayor removed directly, and a new charter installed.

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paulyNOR said..
Its the parking inspectors car

I see a certain Maserati parked whenever it likes around Perth, seems to be invisible to parking inspectors

Ha ha!

SHE doesn't drive in trash.

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Unhook3d said..

FormulaNova said..

Unhook3d said..
is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Who's going to fine them? Even if they have no exemption, someone has to catch them and do you really thing their own inspectors would do it? Its sort of irrelevant anyway as the money from the fine would go to the council who would pay the fine...

Well I would argue that it's not irrelevant if the inspector is there issuing tickets and his vehicle is illegally parked in the same area he is issuing tickets for, then all the tickets he has issued have reason to contest?

people need to remember that the council is EMPLOYED BY THE PEOPLE to work FOR THE PEOLPE.
They are NOT their own jurisdiction.

But you have presented no evidence that the car IS illegally parked. All it would take is for the by-laws to include a clause saying "these parking restrictions do not apply to Council vehicles being used for their normal and proper purpose" or something like that.

Why would people have the right to challenge tickets even if the inspector's vehicle was parked illegally? It's irrelevant to the reason they were ticketed, which is that they left their cars for too long in a parking space where there are restrictions to allow other people to have their share of the available space. Would you applaud it if people got off a murder because the police car that caught them went 3 kmh over the speed limit? That's the same principle that you are calling for.

The Council could very easily say that allowing its cars to be parked there IS "for the people". It may allow the Council staff to work more effectively and therefore get more done to help "the people". For example, the car may be the sanitary inspector's car. What is so terrible about the inspector being allowed to park there if it means that they can save time and do a closer check of the kitchen in the local cafe to make sure the saucepans are not out the back where rats can crawl on them (and yes, it does happen)?

Oh I have have the evidence.

And for for the record, the parking ticket issued to me has already been withdrawn at my request. (And I have not even raised the point of the inspectors car as yet)

and yes yes you are right about the by laws only needing a simple clause to exclude them, however that is exactly my question. To my knowledge, this clause does not exist, and I suspect that it is highly unlikely too as the process to implement it would include consultation with the members (councillors if u will) that represent the people.

And so so we have come full circle, back to my original question.

And in refernce to your comparison of police speeding Ron the scene of a murder, no, this is nothing like what we are discussing here. A comparison would be the council considering themselves permitable to commit murder but for the people it's illegal.

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Chris 249 said..

Unhook3d said..

FormulaNova said..

Unhook3d said..
is anyone aware of any parking laws that allow the relevant city (ie timbuctoo city council) an exemption to park in its own paid parking areas?

so as an example, the city of timbuctoo has a parking facility which requires a valid ticket to be displayed between 8am - 6pm and yet there is a council vehicle parked in that parking facility at 9am without a valid ticket?

i can't imagine that staff vehicles would be exempt? Only emergency vehicles.

Who's going to fine them? Even if they have no exemption, someone has to catch them and do you really thing their own inspectors would do it? Its sort of irrelevant anyway as the money from the fine would go to the council who would pay the fine...

Well I would argue that it's not irrelevant if the inspector is there issuing tickets and his vehicle is illegally parked in the same area he is issuing tickets for, then all the tickets he has issued have reason to contest?

people need to remember that the council is EMPLOYED BY THE PEOPLE to work FOR THE PEOLPE.
They are NOT their own jurisdiction.

But you have presented no evidence that the car IS illegally parked. All it would take is for the by-laws to include a clause saying "these parking restrictions do not apply to Council vehicles being used for their normal and proper purpose" or something like that.

Why would people have the right to challenge tickets even if the inspector's vehicle was parked illegally? It's irrelevant to the reason they were ticketed, which is that they left their cars for too long in a parking space where there are restrictions to allow other people to have their share of the available space. Would you applaud it if people got off a murder because the police car that caught them went 3 kmh over the speed limit? That's the same principle that you are calling for.

The Council could very easily say that allowing its cars to be parked there IS "for the people". It may allow the Council staff to work more effectively and therefore get more done to help "the people". For example, the car may be the sanitary inspector's car. What is so terrible about the inspector being allowed to park there if it means that they can save time and do a closer check of the kitchen in the local cafe to make sure the saucepans are not out the back where rats can crawl on them (and yes, it does happen)?

Oh I have have the evidence.

And for for the record, the parking ticket issued to me has already been withdrawn at my request. (And I have not even raised the point of the inspectors car as yet)

and yes yes you are right about the by laws only needing a simple clause to exclude them, however that is exactly my question. To my knowledge, this clause does not exist, and I suspect that it is highly unlikely too as the process to implement it would include consultation with the members (councillors if u will) that represent the people.

And so so we have come full circle, back to my original question.

And in refernce to your comparison of police speeding Ron the scene of a murder, no, this is nothing like what we are discussing here. A comparison would be the council considering themselves permitable to commit murder but for the people it's illegal.

The point about the murder is that you seemed to be claiming that an officer cannot use their legal powers if they are using their car illegally. There's no such principle, nor should there be.

You didn't give an exact question, which made it hard to answer it. There's nothing GENERAL that would stop councils from authorising their vehicles to park in a way that would otherwise be illegal, if it helped them to carry out their duties. I notice that clause 33 allows for other regulations and there's a definition of "special purpose vehicles" that includes "....a vehicle being used by a government authority or a local government in connection with its functions....." so it's possible there's another regulation permitting a parking officer's car to park in a way that would otherwise be illegal.

It's hard to see why you don't think the council was representing the people. It's people who often ask for parking restrictions, because without them people can't get to shops. It's people who often ask for parking restrictions so that local residents can park near their houses. It's people who often ask for parking restrictions to that trucks and delivery vehicles can get to businesses. What do you want the council to do when people ask them to put in parking restrictions? Tell them to go get f*cked?

It's also hard to see why you are upset if you parked illegally, and what's so wrong if the council officers are allowed to work as efficiently as they reasonably can. If they are getting paid by your rates why do you want them to have to spend more time walking around and less time working?

I believe that the amount of parking restrictions the community asks the council to put in place would pale in comparison to the amount of parking restrictions the council sets.

I agree that that parking restrictions are warranted in many places, but others are simply set up for revenue raising exercises.

Im possibly also disgruntled at councils that now appear to take it upon themselves to operate as a 'business' to generate income in more ways than just parking. It's becoming a joke. (And the comment about operating as a business has come directly from staff admitting they have quotas to achieve.)

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Im possibly also disgruntled at councils that now appear to take it upon themselves to operate as a 'business' to generate income in more ways than just parking.

Councils are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to charging fees.

Everyone that lives within their boundaries want more services, which require ....... money.

Councils here in W.A. must be seen to be raising funds as much as possible by their own means - before qualifying for many of the state and federal grants.
These grants go towards a lot of the infrastructure the residents end up using, amongst other stuff.

Parking fees - state govt. get something like 20%, fed. gov. gets the GST component, local gov. gets the rest.

www.joondalup.wa.gov.au//Files/City of Joondalup Parking Local Law 2013 - amended 2015.pdf

This is the best i could find with 9% battery on the iPad, Section 3.14 probably covers it. If not, elsewhere in the local govt bylaws will be an exemption for authorised vehicles/officers.