I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

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FormulaNova said..
I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

What do you see as the problem with the PM buying a $4M house?

Hasn't sperm production dropped like a brick in the last few decades or so?

Nothing of course to do with the massive increase in jibbyjabs.

I don't think so. Anyone got a microscope? Sperm are very hard to see with the naked eye. Some would say impossible, but I only have my own to go on.. I need the microscope to check the content, not the source of it

If you think (lack of) sperm production is the problem, you have absolutely no idea!

Sperm production may have dropped over the decades but it is very hard to compare these days with birth control and people actively wanting to have families later in life, versus getting pregnant by accident when they are 16.

Going further off on a tangent, I think Russia is actively trying to "encourage" women to have children. I suspect it is because they are losing a shirt load of people in the war.

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FormulaNova said..
I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

What do you see as the problem with the PM buying a $4M house?

I see a problem with KiteBoyDave having Myscreenname as a shill account (the other way really, but who knows what personality you are channeling today). Everything else is just a part of life. Why do you give a crap? Care to logon as KBD and give another opinion?

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Pcdefender said..
Hasn't sperm production dropped like a brick in the last few decades or so?

Nothing of course to do with the massive increase in jibbyjabs.

Mine's good despite countless jibbyjabs. My grey hair and investment portfolio are testament to that.

How about your?

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FormulaNova said..
I don't think so. Anyone got a microscope? Sperm are very hard to see with the naked eye. Some would say impossible, but I only have my own to go on.. I need the microscope to check the content, not the source of it

If you think (lack of) sperm production is the problem, you have absolutely no idea!

Sperm production may have dropped over the decades but it is very hard to compare these days with birth control and people actively wanting to have families later in life, versus getting pregnant by accident when they are 16.

Going further off on a tangent, I think Russia is actively trying to "encourage" women to have children. I suspect it is because they are losing a shirt load of people in the war.

I have a stereo microscope at my place, swing past, have a wank and I'll let you know.

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Pcdefender said..
Hasn't sperm production dropped like a brick in the last few decades or so?

Nothing of course to do with the massive increase in jibbyjabs.

Strewth! Is there a thread, that you haven't hijacked so you can blame vaccines?
I reckon you should get out more, do some traveling and see the bigger picture of what matters to the vast majority of people in the world.
(Probs don't go back to Scotland though, you will be so disappointed at their efforts to reduce emissions and reliance on fossil fuels. They produce more electricity than they consume from renewables only, and have gone as far as using BEV or hybrid buses!)
Oh and don't wear your undies too tight, your sperm count problem will be solved. Simples.

What matters to most is fame and fortune / materialism.

And their food

There is a new documentary just been released that exposes the scam of man made climate change.

I do not expect you to challenge your religion on this topic and watch it so i will not look up its title.

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Pcdefender said..
What matters to most is fame and fortune / materialism.

And their food

There is a new documentary just been released that exposes the scam of man made climate change.

I do not expect you to challenge your religion on this topic and watch it so i will not look up its title.

I don't have a religion per se, so I am a tad perplexed on this comment. However before you watch your YT especially curated for your echo chamber feed, perhaps consider this quote from @Chris249 from another thread:
"It's as dumb as pretending that videos on Youtube, which is owned by the world's fourth biggest company, are not "MSM". Youtube's owner is far bigger than any "mainstream" media company; it's far more richer and more powerful and more establishment in most ways. Youtube these days IS the mainstream media, just like Fox....."

The quote seems valid however they mix lies with truth.

Most of the stuff in your local newspaper, radio station and tv news / current affairs show is not lies.

Evidence please!

Look at the various threads on here over the years.

You can only lead a horse to water....

"more richer"
I just can't. Just no. This has awakened the grammar nazi within.

I blame it on PcD. Just yesterday s/he was offering tips on avoiding pregnancy. I think it all boiled down to "swallow"

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Pcdefender said..
Look at the various threads on here over the years.

You can only lead a horse to water....

Not an answer

The ask was please show proof of jabs leading to lower sperm counts. You assert it, you back it up

expose-news.com/2022/10/19/study-pfizer-infertility-covid-vaccination/

The U.N went to African villages in the past to 'vaccinate' the girls for their 'health'.

After a number of years the villagers noticed that those who had received their 'health; shots had mostly become infertile.

Again, just coincidental.

I heard this after listening to a BBC radio one night in the early hours.

Of course the reporter who was giving the story on a live feed added that their opinions were a CT.

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Mark _australia said..
Not an answer

The ask was please show proof of jabs leading to lower sperm counts. You assert it, you back it up

I reckon the reason Pete is currently posting continuously on multiple threads on SB, day and night is because so many people can't help themselves and constantly feed him.

Unfortunately he's lost the ability to smell the roses, get out in the sunshine and get some joy from the fact that he's still alive.

Not unlike his feeders he can't help himself and just scoffs down all the idiotic attention, similar to a hopeless alcoholic. What a sad sod poor old miserable Pete has become in recent times.

I post on here while you are watching the news and current affairs from your reality box.

Least i get access to different viewpoints whether proven or otherwise.

Are you suggesting Waleed Aly is lying?

Maybe take a sabbatical, and rethink what you are posting on here day and night, hour after hour, minute after minute, and give the rest of us a bit of a break.

It's unhealthy.

Oh crap, I just fed him.

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FormulaNova said..
I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

I would figure bringing skilled migrants in is once again the bandaid solution to an aging workforce, with no fresh workers coming into the mix, not really "outsourcing kid production". It'll sort of work, but migrants these days are generally not keen to stick around, at least not in the same fashion that they did in my grandparents era.


I don't think the falling birth rate problem can be put down solely to the increasing cost of living either, most can actually still get by on a double income, and probably could still afford to raise a child or two if they decided to do so. It's certainly part of it, but I think the problem is far more concerning than that. Western society has changed a great deal in the last half a century or so. Nuclear families and sustained marriage are far less of a thing these days, and relationships don't last like they used to, they are far more fleeting than they used to be. Also in most couples now, both parties work for a living, neither are willing to be a stay at home parent. End game of all that is people think twice about getting tied to a situationship by having kids. Not suggesting we need to revert back to nuclear families, just saying that it's different now.

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Pcdefender said..

Least i get access to different viewpoints whether proven or otherwise.

Almost all of your viewpoints are unproven and not supported by evidence. They are... fairy tales.

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Subsonic said..

I would figure bringing skilled migrants in is once again the bandaid solution to an aging workforce, with no fresh workers coming into the mix, not really "outsourcing kid production". It'll sort of work, but migrants these days are generally not keen to stick around, at least not in the same fashion that they did in my grandparents era.

Yeah, I agree. In 'the old days' in IT, there would be people that came to Australia and found the industry good and things affordable. Lately there seem to be a few that are reconsidering their life here and thinking that they can get better jobs back in Mumbai or somewhere similar. I think they are sold on the move to Aus thinking it is a good income and then when they are here they see it can be very expensive too.

How then do you balance having enough people here and giving them a good lifestyle?

But I am arguing that you are effectively outsourcing the new people in your population from being produced locally to importing them. Especially when the migrants are finding that the lifestyle here is not that great and not reproducing as much in later generations either.

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Subsonic said..
I don't think the falling birth rate problem can be put down solely to the increasing cost of living either, most can actually still get by on a double income, and probably could still afford to raise a child or two if they decided to do so. It's certainly part of it, but I think the problem is far more concerning than that. Western society has changed a great deal in the last half a century or so. Nuclear families and sustained marriage are far less of a thing these days, and relationships don't last like they used to, they are far more fleeting than they used to be. Also in most couples now, both parties work for a living, neither are willing to be a stay at home parent. End game of all that is people think twice about getting tied to a situationship by having kids. Not suggesting we need to revert back to nuclear families, just saying that it's different now.

Yeah, I wonder about family sizes. If a couple had absolutely no worries about income, what size family would they have, if they had kids at all?

I think people want to have kids, partly to look after them in old age, but they don't want too many that impact their own way of life. Is 2 the ideal number? A replacement number that people can afford?

So why then are we falling below these numbers?

If it is an issue where both people want to keep working, why isn't child care super cheap and a very easy option, but it sounds like that is competitive too.

High immigration is an easy policy for goverment but without thinking it through it may just keep the same problem happening and in the mean-time the quality of life for everyone falls. I keep reading of 'build more houses' in existing suburbs with higher density, which appears to be the solution for high housing demand, itself caused by high migration levels.

The question should be " ...with the lifestyle we can afford now, why would anyone bother to have kids?"

Go back a generation or two and look at how many kids families had.
I know in my area families with 4+ were common enough that single child families were seen as unusual. (Anecdote, not evidence)

Now all those kids are having families with 3 or less.

At the very least we'll have to import aged care workers to look after us.

I'm not sure about Australian's having kids so that the kids will look after them in old age. I think that's more a thing in other cultures.

I'm trying to remember why I wanted kids... probably just because my wife had a biological need for them.

I was saying that our aged care workforce, just like every other industry will have a smaller pool of home grown population to draw from.

Not that there'd be less kids willing to look after aging parents at home

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remery said..
I'm not sure about Australian's having kids so that the kids will look after them in old age. I think that's more a thing in other cultures.

I'm trying to remember why I wanted kids... probably just because my wife had a biological need for them.

A biological need for kids? Spare organs? Someone to feed her?

Or a biological desire?

Either way, I think kids still look after their parents. Not in the same way that they do in other cultures where the parents depend on the children for money and food, but more a case of helping out with things and support. It can be done by other people, but family is different and hopefully better than a 3rd party looking after you.

Need... Desire... I don't know what drives women's thinking. Their view of the world is completely different to men's. They carry the mitochondrial DNA, so maybe we should leave the generational thinking up to them.