myscreenname said..

cammd said..
I am crystal clear on this issue. Abortion kills unborn babies. Prove me wrong.

You ARE deluded. Humans are an extremely successful species, too successful. There are way too many of us. Abortion, wars, climate issues, pandemics, whatever, hardly dents our success on this planet. We are growing at a fast rate, something will give. What's the issue with death... It's inevitable. The human population is in not in decline, quite the opposite. Ludicrous assumption to make that life is somehow sacred. As a species we are doing unbelievably well.

Prove me wrong.

Face the facts, you and PM33 are freaks who live under rocks, you are in a miniscule minority. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but just means you are close to irrelevant. Most believe abortion is OK, with some guidelines. Not a perfect rule, but way better than what some pro life freaks, like you, are banging on about.

You meed to do a little more research into population growth. Its not as simple as meets the eye. Or as portrayed by the alarmists.

Populations are in decline in more than a handful of countries throughout the world. Still growing albeit more slowly in others.

Population growth has a direct correlation with wealth. Poor people breed like rabbits. Many live in screwed up countries whose governments are bribed to provide cheap access to resources. There's a constant flow of people from countries that have been delivered salvos of democracy. Fuelling a completely artificial and arguably detrimental situation with housing in the counties that receive them. Not to mention unnecessary social upheaval.

Middle income populations are generally either static or in decline.

If the economic shackles were removed and countries allowed to develop their economies their populations would plateau out.

Have a look at some of Hans Rosling's videos. He sheds much needed light on a widely misunderstood issue. He is also very entertaining.

Pcdefender said..
Physically healthy 28-year-old woman will be euthanised next month (msn.com)

But you would insist that a devastatingly deformed embryo be brought into the world so it an be euthanised when it becomes a person?

japie said..

myscreenname said..

cammd said..
I am crystal clear on this issue. Abortion kills unborn babies. Prove me wrong.

You ARE deluded. Humans are an extremely successful species, too successful. There are way too many of us. Abortion, wars, climate issues, pandemics, whatever, hardly dents our success on this planet. We are growing at a fast rate, something will give. What's the issue with death... It's inevitable. The human population is in not in decline, quite the opposite. Ludicrous assumption to make that life is somehow sacred. As a species we are doing unbelievably well.

Prove me wrong.

Face the facts, you and PM33 are freaks who live under rocks, you are in a miniscule minority. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but just means you are close to irrelevant. Most believe abortion is OK, with some guidelines. Not a perfect rule, but way better than what some pro life freaks, like you, are banging on about.

You meed to do a little more research into population growth. Its not as simple as meets the eye. Or as portrayed by the alarmists.

Populations are in decline in more than a handful of countries throughout the world. Still growing albeit more slowly in others.

Population growth has a direct correlation with wealth. Poor people breed like rabbits. Many live in screwed up countries whose governments are bribed to provide cheap access to resources. There's a constant flow of people from countries that have been delivered salvos of democracy. Fuelling a completely artificial and arguably detrimental situation with housing in the counties that receive them. Not to mention unnecessary social upheaval.

Middle income populations are generally either static or in decline.

If the economic shackles were removed and countries allowed to develop their economies their populations would plateau out.

Have a look at some of Hans Rosling's videos. He sheds much needed light on a widely misunderstood issue. He is also very entertaining.

That's that Bill Gates fella. Trying to vaccinate people in third world countries so that their children survive to adulthood and can take care of them instead of having 15 of them just in case half die.

It may sound like a really great way to solve overpopulation problems in these countries, but it's really a clever conspiracy so that he can go and live in a mansion in Bangladesh by himself.

Here in Australia, we have made housing and everything else so expensive that people are no longer having many kids, or any at all. So much so, that we have to import people, and then they do the same thing in the next generation when they realise how expensive things are here.

Pcdefender said..

Unless that shows me where I can buy 2 miles of string, I am just not going to watch it.

myscreenname said..

Pcdefender said..

This is what's wrong with the internet. Damn, another 3 minutes I'll never get back

Haha! You wasted three minutes of your life.

FormulaNova said..

Did it have two guys standing 2 miles apart with a length of string and a ruler?

Something to do with the number 7

remery said..

D3 said..

The term your thinking of is Eugenics.

The problem being that homelessness is not a genetic condition.

"Certainly, a key factor shaping the attitudes of Europeans was the itinerant lifestyle so many Romani families practiced during those times. They moved from locale to locale, which engendered an aura of mystery and suspicion about them." So the Nazis murdered over 250,000 Roma.

Not a unique to the Nazi's, lots of instances of different groups being persecuted in history, even Australia was declared uninhabited by people thereby allowing the legal persecution of indigeneous.

That's the way you do it though, Australia was Terra nullius, the Jews were called sub human etc, convince the population your doing a service by getting rid of non humans and it's seen as righteous.

Sound familiar, we all know unborn babies are humans just doing our best to pretend they aren't.

FormulaNova said..

cammd said..
Sound familiar, we all know unborn babies are humans just doing our best to pretend they aren't.

I am sure this is going to anger/disappoint/disturb some people; but I don't even value a baby as much I would a toddler or a teenager. Sure, they are human, but they don't really have much perception of much. They can feel pain. They have instincts, but they really aren't on the same level as a being that has developed and become an interactive creature.

We as older humans have evolved to care for babies and small children, but what are they really?

I doubt anyone can recall anything before a certain age, and even then sometimes these 'memories' are not real.

We all accept that human embryos are infact human. Whether that is enough is a different question. Should you bring a child into the world if you don't think they are going to get a decent upbringing? When there are already a lot of humans around?

I think many share your viewpoint, just not honest enough with themselves to admit it.

It's a very immoral viewpoint btw, you don't value babies as much as a toddler, others don't value different races or religions or genders etc etc as much as another . That shouldn't open the door for legally sanctioned discrimination, or persecution and certainly not termination but that is what abortion laws do.

I don't think you would agree with persecuting or discriminating against a particular demographic but you actually are, in the worst possible way, your just drawing different lines in the sand compared to someone who may see a different race or religion worthy of termination, both are equally bad because the principle is the same.

cammd said..

FormulaNova said..

cammd said..
Sound familiar, we all know unborn babies are humans just doing our best to pretend they aren't.

I am sure this is going to anger/disappoint/disturb some people; but I don't even value a baby as much I would a toddler or a teenager. Sure, they are human, but they don't really have much perception of much. They can feel pain. They have instincts, but they really aren't on the same level as a being that has developed and become an interactive creature.

We as older humans have evolved to care for babies and small children, but what are they really?

I doubt anyone can recall anything before a certain age, and even then sometimes these 'memories' are not real.

We all accept that human embryos are infact human. Whether that is enough is a different question. Should you bring a child into the world if you don't think they are going to get a decent upbringing? When there are already a lot of humans around?

I think many share your viewpoint, just not honest enough with themselves to admit it.

It's a very immoral viewpoint btw, you don't value babies as much as a toddler, others don't value different races or religions or genders etc etc as much as another . That shouldn't open the door for legally sanctioned discrimination, or persecution and certainly not termination but that is what abortion laws do.

I don't think you would agree with persecuting or discriminating against a particular demographic but you actually are, in the worst possible way, your just drawing different lines in the sand compared to someone who may see a different race or religion worthy of termination, both are equally bad because the principle is the same.

Your use of the word "immoral" is an interesting one. Lets assume 'moral' means "standards of behaviour; principles of right and wrong". You are saying my weighting of one thing over another thing is against community standards?

Since when has the community sat down and decide whether to value a baby over a toddler or vice versa? Really? That's just a dumb argument. No one has done that, no one gets to make the choice of not losing one by sacrificing the other.

I think instead of "BTW" you should be using "IMO", because it is really just your opinion and not the community's.

My value judgement is based on the entity you call a baby.

Societies have been terminating baby's lives for a long time. Even animals other than us do it. Heck, nature has even adapted to not having offspring in bad environmental times.

Just because I try and argue the value of a baby versus a toddler versus a teenager does not make this a general comparison of different races, different genders, and of course, religions.

You may think its logical that you would see your 14 year old child as equal value to a newborn child, but I don't. That is just nonsense. Luckily that we don't need to make these calls isn't it.

Since when has the community sat down and decide whether to value a baby over a toddler or vice versa? Really? That's just a dumb argument. No one has done that, no one gets to make the choice of not losing one by sacrificing the other.
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It appears you weren't paying attention during the pandemic. The YLL figure quoted by epidemiologists refers to pretty much this.

Edit: it was also the basis of my argument against lockdown. If you didn't understand them, then it's no wonder you disagreed.

A good percentage of the population think 'its the woman choice' or 'the mother has the right to choose'.

We have been conditioned to think this way by our overlords who own the mainstream media.

What about the rights of the unborn?

The pain inflicted on the unborn baby during this horrific practice should be enough to stop it.

psychojoe said..

Since when has the community sat down and decide whether to value a baby over a toddler or vice versa? Really? That's just a dumb argument. No one has done that, no one gets to make the choice of not losing one by sacrificing the other.
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It appears you weren't paying attention during the pandemic. The YLL figure quoted by epidemiologists refers to pretty much this.

Edit: it was also the basis of my argument against lockdown. If you didn't understand them, then it's no wonder you disagreed.

I don't even understand your argument now. If you want me to understand it, dumb it down like good doctors can, if not I am okay with that.

Pcdefender said..
A good percentage of the population think 'its the woman choice' or 'the mother has the right to choose'.

We have been conditioned to think this way by our overlords who own the mainstream media.

What about the rights of the unborn?

The pain inflicted on the unborn baby during this horrific practice should be enough to stop it.

If you want to choose for the woman, quit yapping and get to booking your vasectomy. Decision imposed. Done

You still haven't answered my question. Would you force an ectopic to miscarry?

Abortion is one of the last fronts in the sexual equality struggle.
Activist men won't be satisfied until they can have abortions too.

myscreenname said..
You have the choice to move to a country where the overlords condition you to believe a woman has less rights than a fetus. Why don't you do that?

Countries where abortion is illegal or severely restricted include:

El Salvador
Nicaragua
Malta
Vatican City
Andorra

Please note: abortion laws can change, so it's essential to verify the current status in any particular country.

I am guessing it is normally not much of an issue in the Vatican City.

I am seeing a certain theme with these places you have nominated, and they might just align with PM33's own viewpoints. I would suggest a Go-fund-me except there would be minimal sailing opprtunities in these locations.