cammd said..

Any way the point is, as pyschojoe agreed, its not just a women's rights issue, there are three direct parties involved, the Mother, The Father and the Child. That's just a simple scientific fact, anyone who disputes that is delusional.

I think you are delusional. The scientific fact is: males can't bear children!

Only one direct party involved, the Mother. An embryo is not a child.

myscreenname said..

cammd said..

Any way the point is, as pyschojoe agreed, its not just a women's rights issue, there are three direct parties involved, the Mother, The Father and the Child. That's just a simple scientific fact, anyone who disputes that is delusional.

I think you are delusional. The scientific fact is: males can't bear children!

Only one direct party involved, the Mother. An embryo is not a child.

You need to re visit the birds and the bees, it takes more then just a mother to make a baby, prove me wrong.

An embryo is not child, ok fair enough, a 80 year is not a teenager either, what's your point.

myscreenname said..

cammd said..
You need to re visit the birds and the bees, it takes more then just a mother to make a baby.
An embryo is not child, ok fair enough, a 80 year is not a teenager either, what's your point.

An embryo isn't a human, that's why abortion is rightfully legal in Australia and most other countries.

If you don't like it, go pi55 of and live somewhere where it's illegal.

Here ya go.

Egypt, Senegal, Gabon, Madagascar, Mauritania, Suriname, Nicaragua or El Salvador

What species is it, I assume you agree its alive.

remery said..

Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.

Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.

If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.

cammd said..

you got nothing

Coming from someone that's delusional. Hahaha!

myscreenname said..

cammd said..
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.

Maybe protest outside abortion clinics, with all your freaky Christian mates. You are entitled to do that still, AFAIK.

You are in the tiny minority, which doesn't make you wrong, just makes you look kind of stoopid.

can't play the ball either hey, very weak. No point having a discussion with someone who resorts to school yard name calling. Enjoy your day

myscreenname said..

cammd said..
Enjoy your day

Hahaha, thanks. Keep up God's good work!

Lol... you to

The other interesting thing I heard years ago was a mathematician talking about a correlation between the legalisation of abortion in New York (city) and the later drop in crime rates. The suggestion was that the unwanted children tend to be less law abiding / valued and of course poorer and that affected the likelihood of them offending.

psychojoe said..

cammd said..



Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.

Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.

If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.

Well that's easy. Native birds are in danger of extinction whereas anything above one billion humans can be considered plague proportion. I'll willingly revisit the fine tuning of abortion laws the day after the human population drops below half a billion.
And Hardpoles point was also valid. The grown native bird won't slit your throat to get cash for another hit to try and feel normal for another day. I wonder how many of our prison guests feel that they were unwanted as children. Someone do a study on that, please. The Dunedin Study found that a child's self regulation was the best indicator for likelihood of future prison time. It's not a huge stretch to imagine the unwanted children being lean on self discipline.

Right so nothing to do with whether or not they are human it just comes down to whether or not they are wanted or unwanted babies. As has been argued unwanted children equal high crime rates plus most likely a lot of other inconveniences.

Maybe society could legalise murder of homeless people then junkies, after they are sorted other demographics like race or post code could be considered for termination. Murder could be the final solution to a lot of societal problems, probably some environmental ones too.

Placing greater value on a birds egg over an unborn baby is disgusting and viewing murder as a righteous solution is Nazi level immoral but that's where it seems the pro abortion mindset sits.

Let the other parent raise it.

Pcdefender, following the party line. Don't think, believe.

"American conservatives tend to support Christian values, moral absolutism, traditional family values, and American exceptionalism, while opposing abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, and transgender rights. They tend to favor economic liberalism and neoliberalism, and are generally pro-business and pro-capitalism, while opposing communism and labor unions. They often advocate for a strong national defense, gun rights, capital punishment, and a defense of Western culture from perceived threats posed by communism and moral relativism. American conservatives tend to question epidemiology, climate change, and evolution more frequently than moderates or liberals."

The Earth doesn't have a carrying capacity. The environment does. And humans are messing with that environment.

FlySurfer said..Consciousness is literally the ability to navigate memories in a complex structure. For you to be conscious after death, you would need a complex structure to store the data...

Remember, the Earth has a carrying capacity and nature is a cruel mother.

May well be your definition, but it certainly isn't mine.

That's what you are conscious of, not what consciousness is.

undifferentiated consciousness is only aware of itself.
Not an easy thing to achieve, but when you do you understand what you really are.