hi I connected to the nbn last night with dodo. The speed was ordinary - .8 to 5mbps on the 50 mb plan and there were also dropouts. Tech support told me that it was a Dodo owned infrastructure issue and that they had to increase their capacity in he suburb.

so I'm dropping hem but are their discount providers that use the Telstra network? I thought the network backbone would have been identical. How do I found out who has good performance in my area. Whirlpool used to be good for this stuff.

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myusernam said..
hi I connected to the nbn last night with dodo. The speed was ordinary - .8 to 5mbps on the 50 mb plan and there were also dropouts. Tech support told me that it was a Dodo owned infrastructure issue and that they had to increase their capacity in he suburb.

so I'm dropping hem but are their discount providers that use the Telstra network? I thought the network backbone would have been identical. How do I found out who has good performance in my area. Whirlpool used to be good for this stuff.

No, it doesn't work like that. The network backbone is identical for all NBN providers, up until a point. The infrastructure is provided by NBN Co, and there is no need (normally) for an ISP to use someone else's infrastructure.

All providers provide links into NBN connection points and provide backhaul capacity to the internet based on a ratio that they choose. The cheaper providers will try and use the highest ratio to lower their costs and look more attractive to the consumer so that they get more customers.

Dodo probably have a high ratio of bandwidth to subscribers, so your effective bandwidth is low.

Change to Telstra or Aussie Broadband. They seem to have better ratios.

I just read Aussie commit to not overselling bwidth so might look at them.

NBN provide the "access network". I would not call that "backbone". Last year NBN gave away a whole heap of bandwidth for free to the service providers (basically to make a lot of the bad press go away). There should be almost no congestion at the NBN interconnect right now for any of the service providers. Who is the "tech support" you called? You should be sorting this out with DoDo if they are your provider.

Yes whirlpool is still the place to go for reviews and recommendations.

We have been wuth aussie broadband and no issues.

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gs12 said..
Yes whirlpool is still the place to go for reviews and recommendations.

We have been wuth aussie broadband and no issues.

i think whirlpool is defunct. Only old posts there now.
dodo told me it was due to them needing to upgrade their stuff be it bandwidth or whatever. They said homefully a month. I'm paying for something they are not providing so they can jam it. best to nip it in the bud now.

Another up vote for Aussie Broadband. Getting 48 down and 20 up on their 50/20 plan, even at peak times.

50Mbit LOL

currently have wideband (aussie corp division) 100/100 and tpg are installing 1gb/1gb fibre next month


no issues with wideband apart from some wierd routing they do

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Kamikuza said..
50Mbit LOL

I live in Australia's largest city in a major suburb and less than 200 meters from the town centre. The only Internet I can get is either mobile data 4G or ADSL2+. I had to go with Telstra ADSL2+ as the rest of the providers were absolutely terrible. The Internet was unusable at night, even for browsing web pages was bad with timeouts and failure. At least with Telstra, though it is expensive at about $80 a month, it is usable with a steady 8 Mbit connection.

I'm not looking forward to the NBN coming as its going to be crap.
Hopefully when it comes, mobile data will be price competitive with fixed line data. The gap is narrowing.

My mum, living on a farm, 5 kms out from the nearest town has a better Internet connection than I do. She has had NBN wireless Internet for a few years now.

Here you go - from the horse's mouth...reporting on ACCC
www.computerworld.com/article/3474188/accc-broadband-report-aussie-broadband-tpg-fare-best-with-peak-hour-downloads.html
So Aussie Broadband stays the most honest to their plan commitment 24/7..

I find Whirlpool full of useful comments and current.. this reference came from their too..

I have just signed up with Aussie...
I currently pay for a phone broadband combo called Biz Essentials a Telstra package $150/mth (SOHO ADSL2 setup currently 2 TB traffic and no extra for phone usage) which historically was a gold mine for us we regularly clocked $8-900 on the phone and paid for internet on top...

But now fixed phone is almost redundant... The ADSL2 has always been designed to block good VOIP, the NBN infrastructure has caused re-wiring and our ADSL2 performance has dropped so although I have a bona-fide optic fibre running across my nature strip (reserved for a phone tower) I am FTTN ... so reliant on knackered copper thanks to the politics getting involved with a national infrastructure product due to the phone companies white anting this ...- grrrrr. If only we could have had the NZ cooperative experience..

Performance to your house is determined by this infra-structure...but JIC you do not know make any in-side connections as close as possible to this junction.. to maximize what you can do in the house...

If you need more information about inside the house - ask - I can offer a bit but I am sure someone on here will be up-with good options.

Cheers
AP

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Mobydisc said..

Kamikuza said..
50Mbit LOL

I live in Australia's largest city in a major suburb and less than 200 meters from the town centre. The only Internet I can get is either mobile data 4G or ADSL2+. I had to go with Telstra ADSL2+ as the rest of the providers were absolutely terrible. The Internet was unusable at night, even for browsing web pages was bad with timeouts and failure. At least with Telstra, though it is expensive at about $80 a month, it is usable with a steady 8 Mbit connection.

I'm not looking forward to the NBN coming as its going to be crap.
Hopefully when it comes, mobile data will be price competitive with fixed line data. The gap is narrowing.

My mum, living on a farm, 5 kms out from the nearest town has a better Internet connection than I do. She has had NBN wireless Internet for a few years now.

Aren't you one of the people that believe 'the market delivers'?

Therefore, your great ADSL2+ connection is sufficient for you. Why would you want better than that? $80 a month for 8Mbps is awesome ;-)

NBN is going to be crap? With an attitude like that, you can't lose! If its crap, you win. If its great, you quietly say 'it could have been better' and no longer mention it to anyone, and you still win.

I bet your mum is whinging about the NBN wireless connection, un huh? Not likely.

It puzzles me why you are saying that the market delivered solution is rubbish, saying your mother has a great NBN wireless connection 5kms from town, and then automatically saying the NBN 'will' be rubbish, even though you have no idea of this.

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Kamikuza said..
50Mbit LOL

50Mbps? We had to jump through political hoops to even get a service capable of that.

ADSL is fine... the market delivers is fine... we don't need internet, we need hospitals and roads....

Ohh for a road - when your kid is in hospital you have paid for internet access and it has run out of allowance.. tarmac does not cut it but 50 MBits ooooohhhh yea

Of course if we could make it rain U might have a point...
AP

Another tip for improving speed is to clean up your phone cabling at home. Our sync speed went up from 17 mbps to 37 mbps by just disconnecting unused phone sockets. I'm on 25/5 plan and it's solid 24.6 down now

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AquaPlow said..
Ohh for a road - when your kid is in hospital you have paid for internet access and it has run out of allowance.. tarmac does not cut it but 50 MBits ooooohhhh yea

Of course if we could make it rain U might have a point...
AP

... yeah, trouble is no government ever gives you enough hospitals, roads, or police, so its never even a choice between one or the other. I hope no one seriously believes that if we had no NBN that we would have more police, nurses, and hospitals, better schools, and roads made to last.

On the other hand if you build infrastructure that is meant to pay itself off by selling it to providers later on, its not a bad choice.

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FormulaNova said..

NBN is going to be crap?

I've not heard anything good about it. Got one ex-pat Kiwi buddy living in Oz, you should have heard him bang on about NBN when he was trying to watch the rugby cup thingy and it just wouldn't stream ... except for the ads from the provider of course.

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Kamikuza said..

FormulaNova said..

NBN is going to be crap?

I've not heard anything good about it. Got one ex-pat Kiwi buddy living in Oz, you should have heard him bang on about NBN when he was trying to watch the rugby cup thingy and it just wouldn't stream ... except for the ads from the provider of course.

Hmmm... if the ads played well, but the content didn't, surely its not the infrastructure, but most likely the provider.

Its a shame that not many people see the distinction between ISP and NBN, and the ISPs are often keen to keep the confusion!

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AquaPlow said..
Here you go - from the horse's mouth...reporting on ACCC
www.computerworld.com/article/3474188/accc-broadband-report-aussie-broadband-tpg-fare-best-with-peak-hour-downloads.html
So Aussie Broadband stays the most honest to their plan commitment 24/7..

I find Whirlpool full of useful comments and current.. this reference came from their too..

I have just signed up with Aussie...
I currently pay for a phone broadband combo called Biz Essentials a Telstra package $150/mth (SOHO ADSL2 setup currently 2 TB traffic and no extra for phone usage) which historically was a gold mine for us we regularly clocked $8-900 on the phone and paid for internet on top...

But now fixed phone is almost redundant... The ADSL2 has always been designed to block good VOIP, the NBN infrastructure has caused re-wiring and our ADSL2 performance has dropped so although I have a bona-fide optic fibre running across my nature strip (reserved for a phone tower) I am FTTN ... so reliant on knackered copper thanks to the politics getting involved with a national infrastructure product due to the phone companies white anting this ...- grrrrr. If only we could have had the NZ cooperative experience..

Performance to your house is determined by this infra-structure...but JIC you do not know make any in-side connections as close as possible to this junction.. to maximize what you can do in the house...

If you need more information about inside the house - ask - I can offer a bit but I am sure someone on here will be up-with good options.

Cheers
AP

I guess there's something to be said for living in a country with 120 million customers...

1.5Mbit ADSL came in shortly after we moved here. When we moved house, was "forced" to upgrade to 100Mbit because that was the cheapest plan. When we finally got smart phones 7 years back, if we switched the house internet to the same company we got a better price ... and 1Gbps fiber optic was plan. Don't actually know if there's a faster service! We're about 30km from a proper city...

Internet has been flat-rate since ADSL, there never was a cap. I used to have one PC just constantly torrenting English TV and movies, my monthly usage was ... a lot.

Upgraded my iPhone last week too. The default data plans are 5Gb/month but I upgraded to a 20Gb plan because I tether the iPad for games and Netflix ... turns out, if we both upgraded to 50Gb/month it was cheaper than staying on the same plan LOL madness.

We pay about AU$220 a month for the two smart phones, the house internet and a land line.

****ing land line, nobody ****ing uses it any more what a waste of time.