jesus I think I may have contracted aids watching that.

I used to airchair/ skyski. standup foiling will never be big. it's too dangerous and far too directional to stand and ride sideways. there is no room for error in any landing and far to twitchy and boring AF. small niche kiting where you can get going in low winds. But at the end of the day you have gotta mow the lawn and do shxt around the house sometime. may as well be when its under 12 knots
If this as as good a video that can be shown by presumably a pro wake rider at least a decade after they came out then meh

^^^^ clearly posted by someone who has never foiled.

A perfectly banked foiling carved turn is the nearest thing to perfection there is. Landing a jump on the foil is stupid grin inducing. Doing it all in 10-15 knots is a bonus. Add in waves and 25-30 knots and you need to go home for a good lie down.

Let's not mention the pleasure of being locked in and blasting upwind at warp speed.

like i said I airchired to a pretty high level doing most tricks but after a while the sensation of carving is meh. Just like flat water slalom mowing the lawn. fealt great when you were a beginner. And I can kite well. Cant see the fun. If its so good in the waves show me some footoage of some kite loops using the wave and the foil action for extra height. or some waveriding or airs where you get a little crossed up and land. It's impossible. It's too directional. a few degreed angle to either side when you land and its over when you are sitting down. there's no margin for error or being dynamic. standing must be even harder. even the pro footage I have seen where they huck stuff the dont show them riding away..I can see it works good for light wind racing. IT's niche. Like olympic class windsurfers, and about as exciting

Foils suck when they come near me in the lineup I growl really loud like a rabies infected bali dog till they piss off

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like i said I airchired to a pretty high level doing most tricks but after a while the sensation of carving is meh. Just like flat water slalom mowing the lawn. fealt great when you were a beginner. And I can kite well. Cant see the fun. If its so good in the waves show me some footoage of some kite loops using the wave and the foil action for extra height. or some waveriding or airs where you get a little crossed up and land. It's impossible. It's too directional. a few degreed angle to either side when you land and its over when you are sitting down. there's no margin for error or being dynamic. standing must be even harder. even the pro footage I have seen where they huck stuff the dont show them riding away..I can see it works good for light wind racing. IT's niche. Like olympic class windsurfers, and about as exciting

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myusernam said..
like i said I airchired to a pretty high level doing most tricks but after a while the sensation of carving is meh. Just like flat water slalom mowing the lawn. fealt great when you were a beginner. And I can kite well. Cant see the fun. If its so good in the waves show me some footoage of some kite loops using the wave and the foil action for extra height. or some waveriding or airs where you get a little crossed up and land. It's impossible. It's too directional. a few degreed angle to either side when you land and its over when you are sitting down. there's no margin for error or being dynamic. standing must be even harder. even the pro footage I have seen where they huck stuff the dont show them riding away..I can see it works good for light wind racing. IT's niche. Like olympic class windsurfers, and about as exciting

I did notice the video didn't show any landings.

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7-Nation Aust said..

myusernam said..
like i said I airchired to a pretty high level doing most tricks but after a while the sensation of carving is meh. Just like flat water slalom mowing the lawn. fealt great when you were a beginner. And I can kite well. Cant see the fun. If its so good in the waves show me some footoage of some kite loops using the wave and the foil action for extra height. or some waveriding or airs where you get a little crossed up and land. It's impossible. It's too directional. a few degreed angle to either side when you land and its over when you are sitting down. there's no margin for error or being dynamic. standing must be even harder. even the pro footage I have seen where they huck stuff the dont show them riding away..I can see it works good for light wind racing. IT's niche. Like olympic class windsurfers, and about as exciting

I did notice the video didn't show any landings.

Exactly and even the ones they showed they cut short. You can land and then get some ugly pogo action. And it's flat, add some uneven surface for extra difficulty. Everything he's doing on foil can be done on twin tip at same height in those conditions with the added bonus of it not being dangerous as fxck with a foil to land on and easy ride away. It's a scam. Flat water light air mowing the grass tool for thousands of bucks
Get yourself a door or make a board out of ply.

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like i said I airchired to a pretty high level doing most tricks but after a while the sensation of carving is meh.....

Astounding. That's like a wheelchair bound person telling us that running is overrated.

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myusernam said..
like i said I airchired to a pretty high level doing most tricks but after a while the sensation of carving is meh.....

Astounding. That's like a wheelchair bound person telling us that running is overrated.

Well you can do more on an airchair because your centre of gravity is lower. I'm trying to point out I'm very aware of foiling limitations from the parent sport. Standing makes it even worse. Look at the tricks in the video. There are almost no landings, and the ones that are there are probably just before some very messy riding or wipeout. Show me something better, or yourself. You can't. I don't even know why they try and promote that side of foiling because that's not it's strength. You seem to like it and I bet you do no airial or inverted tricks. That side of foiling is bullshxt. Even pros don't do it well. It's all marketing. There is no early days or progression. These things have been around for ages. There are severe limitations. Buyer beware

Oh Adam been posted already...

Demanding pros who routinely land harder tricks than you can attempt to add another 5 seconds of video per jump to prove to you they landed and sailed away is pretty silly.

Now get back under your bridge

www.liveabout.com/stuck-landing-1714793

But we don't see the athletes walking away. The probably just fell flat on their faces in the half second after we see their landing...

In surf vids and such like if the landing isnt shown it wasnt stuck

Myusernam can you confirm (honestly) that you have ridden a modern foil either powered by kite or surf/sup and your not just basing your opinions on your weirdo foilchair from 15 years ago?????

Yes there are limitations but there are also massive advantages that you seem to be overlooking

Speed, upwind, mobility, effortless flight, efficiency, floating above the chop, riding waves that you can't ride on a conventional board, pumping out and linking up waves and overall making a lot more fun out of average conditions

Sure foiling isn't the be all and end all of everything and it's not as extreme as other forms of riding but it can certainly be a great addition to the roster and massively extend the fun time!

In my day foils were $20. You could do loops and split infinities and explore all sorts of new areas. Landings were always pretty soft.

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In surf vids and such like if the landing isnt shown it wasnt stuck

And some sports like FMX, they only show you the landing if you fail.

What the feck has fmx got to do with barnaby joyce getting a root?

I reckon all competitive board sports should require the spangly leotard and the arms up thing after every landing. That would be so cool to see in King of the Air or Pipeline Masters or Teahupo'o, or whatever. They're not far from that with all the twirly handlepass stuff.

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Sure foiling isn't the be all and end all of everything and it's not as extreme as other forms of riding but it can certainly be a great addition to the roster and massively extend the fun time!

Not so sure about that. Since August I've done over 100 hours of foiling and 7 hours on a surfboard. That only happens because the foil is broken, or the location is too shallow or too sketchy to foil.

I foil 9 days out of 10. Everybody else whinges about no wind and what a crap season it's been. Flat water, waves, boosting, carving. All fun on a foil. Chugging around on a surfboard underpowered with big kite. Dull.

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Myusernam can you confirm (honestly) that you have ridden a modern foil either powered by kite or surf/sup and your not just basing your opinions on your weirdo foilchair from 15 years ago?????

Yes there are limitations but there are also massive advantages that you seem to be overlooking

Speed, upwind, mobility, effortless flight, efficiency, floating above the chop, riding waves that you can't ride on a conventional board, pumping out and linking up waves and overall making a lot more fun out of average conditions

Sure foiling isn't the be all and end all of everything and it's not as extreme as other forms of riding but it can certainly be a great addition to the roster and massively extend the fun time!

No never ridden with kite. Never said I did. Don't doubt what you are using it for (mowing the grass in light wind, getting out I'm marginal conditions.). It's ok. What I'm trying to expose is that to try and emulate wakestyle, big air or waveriding on them is crap, because they are not suited. And the skyski analogy isn't outdated. I rode them to a much higher level than any of the kite pros with combined inverts etc. We had stand up foils back then. They were shxt. There's a misconception amongst kitefoilers they are on the cusp of something and foils will be the best and soon they will be doing all their twin tip tricks. Not so. The companies put out these videos to sell foils but they're being deliberatley misleading. All I'm trying to say. If you are willing to spend the coin or you live in a light wind area or are old and just want to cruize the go for it. Just saying don't expect twin tip style tricks or versatility.

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What the feck has fmx got to do with barnaby joyce getting a root?

Quite. Was he standing up or sitting down at the time.

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No never ridden with kite. Never said I did. Don't doubt what you are using it for (mowing the grass in light wind, getting out I'm marginal conditions.). It's ok. What I'm trying to expose is that to try and emulate wakestyle, big air or waveriding on them is crap, because they are not suited. And the skyski analogy isn't outdated. I rode them to a much higher level than any of the kite pros with combined inverts etc. We had stand up foils back then. They were shxt. There's a misconception amongst kitefoilers they are on the cusp of something and foils will be the best and soon they will be doing all their twin tip tricks. Not so. The companies put out these videos to sell foils but they're being deliberatley misleading. All I'm trying to say. If you are willing to spend the coin or you live in a light wind area or are old and just want to cruize the go for it. Just saying don't expect twin tip style tricks or versatility.

How many twin tip or surfboard riders are capable of doing the tricks in company videos either?

I'd be surprised if foil design and materials hasn't moved on since air chairs....

It is what it is. I don't see anyone doing wakestyle on surfboards, cos there are better tools for the job.

Clearly not if the vids above are the best they can offer. The whole issue is the pendulum effect, the density of the water and being so far away from a very directional keel. Standing even harder. But anyhoo just trying to offer a counterpoint to the pimp fest and hype.

Shouldn't this be in the foiling section?

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Youngbreezy said..
Myusernam can you confirm (honestly) that you have ridden a modern foil either powered by kite or surf/sup and your not just basing your opinions on your weirdo foilchair from 15 years ago?????

Yes there are limitations but there are also massive advantages that you seem to be overlooking

Speed, upwind, mobility, effortless flight, efficiency, floating above the chop, riding waves that you can't ride on a conventional board, pumping out and linking up waves and overall making a lot more fun out of average conditions

Sure foiling isn't the be all and end all of everything and it's not as extreme as other forms of riding but it can certainly be a great addition to the roster and massively extend the fun time!

No never ridden with kite. Never said I did. Don't doubt what you are using it for (mowing the grass in light wind, getting out I'm marginal conditions.). It's ok. What I'm trying to expose is that to try and emulate wakestyle, big air or waveriding on them is crap, because they are not suited. And the skyski analogy isn't outdated. I rode them to a much higher level than any of the kite pros with combined inverts etc. We had stand up foils back then. They were shxt. There's a misconception amongst kitefoilers they are on the cusp of something and foils will be the best and soon they will be doing all their twin tip tricks. Not so. The companies put out these videos to sell foils but they're being deliberatley misleading. All I'm trying to say. If you are willing to spend the coin or you live in a light wind area or are old and just want to cruize the go for it. Just saying don't expect twin tip style tricks or versatility.

Part of the point I was making is that foiling doesn't have to emulate other riding styles to still be fun, foiling is it's own thing. It will probably be a long time before we see anyone competing in king of the air or pulling in at Teahupoo on a foil but that doesn't mean the guys hammering around in light wind, carving 360 transitions, gliding along otherwise unridable rollers aren't having a ball!!

Also if you have only ever ridden a foil being towed behind a boat you are missing a lot of the things that make foiling better so alluring. Your not experiencing the speed, efficiency or mobility that foiling brings. Essentially the boat is doing the same thing it always does and your just putting a foil behind it. If you had only ever ridden a surfboard behind a boat you would probably say " this surfing thing will never take off you can't do all the tricks you can with a wakeboard"

If you're only experience of foiling is being towed behind a boat trying to emulate the tricks you do wakeboarding then you have completely missed the point of foiling.

And I agree the riding in the original vid is a bit naff (although way beyond my skill level) but then wakeboarding is mostly just bogans+water anyway

I can't figure out how sitting down would make it easier. Can you explain your main point?

The pivot point is the middle of the strut at the bottom in line with the horizontal foils. So instead of balancing standing on a board where your upper body is five or six feet above the balance point (wakeboard etc water surface), add however many feet below that to where the horizontal foils are. You can reduce the lift of each of the foils and lengthen the distance apart to try and make them more stable, but no matter how you look at it your centre of gravity is a long way from the pivot point. Also when you do this you reduce the responsiveness and sportiness.
Again it's not an issue mowing the lawn, just doing twin tip style tricks or trying to recover or balance In a dynamic environment like the surf or when doing tricks. Also they are very directional. So land a few degrees off angle that high above he pivot point a bit where you over balance it's over very quickly. The ski style you were crouched facing forward which helped. There was less sideways overbalancing and you could concentrate fore and aft (talking landing quite high inverts from behind a ski boat. Combo tricks etc. The pros on those would get on the stand up ones and look like beginners again. Its like balancing on a chair on two legs at school. Fairly easy. Try it standing up. Also very dangerous as you can come into contact with the foil in a crash - sharp strut unlike the sit-down version. Im not trying to poo poo someone's favourite part of a sport. Just trying to point out that companies bring out these videos and unless you can see the limitations or look at it a bit objectively they are being misleading. That monkey on a foil was quite rubbish. The guy doing big airstyle tricks he could do blindfolded on a twin tip and the water was very flat. None were riding anything much away.

Sounds like you just had **** gear. Try some of the modern surf or SUP foils.

It's the pro's job to make anything look easy. They've just put more hours in than regular folks.

Whatever. Believe what you like. Perhaps I have helped some avoid the pimp fest. That monkey on a foil video was total shxt. If that impresses you then my advice isn't for you

Your opinion isn't relevant -- a kite isn't a boat

Opinion relevant and validated with shxt riding in every video ever posted. If I wasn't right there would be good riding and landings of wakestyle, big air and stylish waveriding. really now I've said enough and sorry to bang on. Post a video (not heavily edited) of some stylish riding with landings, sticking hard concurrent tricks and I'll apologise.