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theDoctor said..Going by that argument, being gay isn't natural then either, no matter how juicy your fruit may be

juicyfruit said..
Sure. Gorillas eat plants. Whales and dolphins eat only meat. Humans eat both plants and meat. That's natural. Vegetarian humans is not really "natural", it's a conscious choice we make because we can break from evolutionary traits.

Well, I fail to see the correlation you make to sexuality. It's not logical.

Homosexuality/bi-sexuality is pervasive in mammals. Eating artificially produced B12 is not.

Aboriginal Australians didn't have access to a modern vegetarian diet with dairy, or a vegan diet supplemented with industrially produced B12 and they were certainly smart enough to know where to get their critical B12, sufficient for good health.

Interesting fact about the so-called B12 content of mushrooms is that it's not actually present within the mushrooms biology. In fact, the B12 content is from the manure or compost the mushrooms grow in. So basically, if you are getting sufficient B12 from mushrooms you are in essence eating too much poo to be healthy. Of course they had no idea it was B12, but they did know eating certain foods was essential for survival.

No. Aboriginal Australians survived for over 50,000 on a very healthy omnivorous diet and they lived longer than most of us do now.

One thing is clear, it's useless debating diet with zealous vegetarians and vegans who preach like it's religion.

That said, we should be eating far less meat and dairy than we do and more vegetables and fibre.

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theDoctor said..

juicyfruit said..
Sure. Gorillas eat plants. Whales and dolphins eat only meat. Humans eat both plants and meat. That's natural. Vegetarian humans is not really "natural", it's a conscious choice we make because we can break from evolutionary traits.

Going by that argument, being gay isn't natural then either, no matter how juicy your fruit may be

I fail to see the correlation you make to sexuality. Homosexuality is pervasive in nature. Eating artificially produced B12 is not.

Aboriginal Australians didn't have access to a modern vegetarian diet with dairy, or a vegan diet supplemented with fake B12 and they were certainly smart enough to know that native fungi only had trace amounts of B12 that wasn't sufficient for good health.

No. They survived for over 50,000 on a very healthy omnivorous diet and they lived longer than most of us do now.

One thing is clear, it's useless debating diet with zealous vegetarians and vegans who preach like it's religion.

Although the other side can be equally as bad. It's not as though throughout evolutionary history there has been a set menu. You can't say at what point we evolved to require B12. It's nice to think that our evolutionary diet was black and white, unfortunately it isn't.

Of course, but the fundamental point is - we did generally evolve to require B12 to survive - unlike a cow that produces it in the gut from bacteria.

Current research is looking into the human gut biome and the role bacteria plays in the production of B12 - but it only just being understood and requires study of many cultures and their habits over a long period of time.

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Of course, but the fundamental point is - we did generally evolve to require B12 to survive - unlike a cow that produces it in the gut from bacteria.

Current research is looking into the human gut biome and the role bacteria plays in the production of B12 - but it only just being understood and requires study of many cultures and their habits over a long period of time.

Actually the cow gets B12 from grazing as the B12 is in the dirt, in fact it's everywhere that has not been sterilised , dirt ,well water all over the world.

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juicyfruit said..
Of course, but the fundamental point is - we did generally evolve to require B12 to survive - unlike a cow that produces it in the gut from bacteria.

Current research is looking into the human gut biome and the role bacteria plays in the production of B12 - but it only just being understood and requires study of many cultures and their habits over a long period of time.

Actually the cow gets B12 from grazing as the B12 is in the dirt, in fact it's everywhere that has not been sterilised , dirt ,well water, natural water sources.

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HotBodMon said..
Increased libido compared to mixed grill counterparts

1. Are you gay
2. What are they injecting besides fake smiles

1. I have woken with $20 in my pocket many times , so perhaps
2. Interesting point , birth control pill is not vegan so I wonder if slammin gear is ?

no way they got that big on a diet of lettuce and carrots. They would have had to eaten a huge amount of protein to get to that size even with the obvious roid use. Everyone else gets that protein from chicken or whey protein, so how many mung beans are they eating to get the same. I call BS unless they got that size before becoming a vegan.

We all get about 70-80 gm no matter if your'e a healthy vegan or a meat eater when in reality we only need 40

By 'we all get about 70-80 gm', are you one of the people in that picture? I think if you told a body builder that they would get that way with 80 grams of protein they would just laugh in your face. You don't magically take a pill and end up like those guys without a gigantic intake of protein.

To get their body fat down they would also have to eat lean protein, so is that possible as a Vegan? There was a guy I used to work with that ate chicken and broccoli for lunch every day, and it wasn't the broccoli that was letting him bulk up.

I used to Bench press 140kg leg press 460 , lat pull down the whole stack, There's more, and I did this as a vegetarian. So tell me what did you do.

Me, I used to laugh when people would sit down at the same leg extension machine, look at me, look at the stack and give it a try. Nope, let it down a few pounds. Nope, let it down a few more. Nope, let it down a lot more... yeah that's it. I never got into it enough to remember what the numbers were. It was for me, not for telling anyone else how good I am.

What's your point? I never looked as muscly as those guys, and I never looked cut like that either. Have you? i expect being a vegetarian or vegan would allow you to get cut like that but I really don't think you could have bulked up like that as a vegan. Where would you get that level of protein without any animal products?

You said you did this as a vegetarian? Did you load up on whey protein? Eggs? If so, what would you have replaced those with if you were vegan? I think you are arguing a point that no one is claiming.

Getting cut like that is usually for competition and they cut down a lot on their intake to reduce as much body fat as possible.
So no I never got cut like that but I did get big but sad to say that's mostly gone now. And no I didn't bulk up with protein powder or eggs.I just ate a normal vegetarian diet with occasional chicken or fish and maybe a couple of eggs a week.

So, a vegetarian with chicken, fish, and eggs huh? I think it would be hard to get the same intake as a Vegan.

I am a bit of a skeptic these days when it comes to body building. I have seen two cousins go from normal to huge from taking roids, and when they gave it up they just shrunk down to regular size. I also remember the lab assistant at the TAFE I went to was the NSW natural body building champ for that year. In order to compete you had to prove that you had no drugs in your system based on drug tests over a number of years. He was not that big.

The mother of one of my cousins asked my mother if I had anger problems from steroids like my cousin, which made my mother laugh as I have never used them.

I see the arms on some younger guys these days and unless diet and technique have come a long way I am dubious about it being natural. It just seems too easy these days and too common.

I do agree that you could bulk up with a vegetarian diet. I bulked up and I didn't do anything special with my diet, but then I discovered protein powders and how much quicker it makes recovery time. To say extra protein at the right time makes no difference is not correct.

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Wow. that's a lot of tracking cookies! not touching that one.

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rockmagnet said..Actually the cow gets B12 from grazing as the B12 is in the dirt, in fact it's everywhere that has not been sterilised , dirt ,well water all over the world.

juicyfruit said..
Of course, but the fundamental point is - we did generally evolve to require B12 to survive - unlike a cow that produces it in the gut from bacteria.

Current research is looking into the human gut biome and the role bacteria plays in the production of B12 - but it only just being understood and requires study of many cultures and their habits over a long period of time.

Actually, yes, but the B12 is made by the bacteria in the dirt. It's only when the bacteria get into the gut and multiply that the B12 is in any useful quantity. Simply ingesting dirt isn't going to cut it unless it had the bacteria.

VB and durries will keep your weight down!!!!!!

show me a healthy looking vegan and I'll show you a sneaky meat eater !!!

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ka43 said..
VB and durries will keep your weight down!!!!!!

Opioids consumption is apparently a proven way to lose weight too.

4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

my household has 2 vegan and 1 vegetarian and occasional sausage taker

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Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

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cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

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FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

A lentil Dahl done correct with fruit nan bread , another ripper dish, Indian rarely touch meat in their daily meals amongst others, it just that many wester veg menus are boring

I just boiled some some 29 cent a kilo potatoes in their skins from Spudhed with a 3 dollar bunch of Beetroot.

Seasalt and cracked pepper and it tasted great.

Veg Subway with extra jalapenos,falafel and avocado with only pepper as a dressing is great if a bit expensive at 11 dollars.

My favourite drink is Lakewoods organic pomegranate juice ( 28.50 for 1.5 litre) mixed with 100 percent grapefruit juice.

20 percent each diluted with 60 percent Pureau water - awesome taste,very addictive and expensive!

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cauncy said..

FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

A lentil Dahl done correct with fruit nan bread , another ripper dish, Indian rarely touch meat in their daily meals amongst others, it just that many wester veg menus are boring

Fruit Naan bread? I didn't know it existed.

I did one of those community college courses in Indian Cooking. The lady that ran it couldn't eat beef, so asked if anyone wanted to be a taste tester. It was a great job! My favorite Indian dish is butter chicken, and the one I made was better than anything I have eaten in a restaurant, apart from a bit too much chili.

She surprised me, in that at the beginning of the course she said that a lot of the food would be better than we have eaten in a restaurant, and she was right.

The NSW Leg. Council has a new member...a vegan body builder femme
www.plantbasednews.org/culture/vegan-bodybuilder-parliament-heavyweight

For FormulaNova, a super simple Indianish vegan soup recipe.
Butternut pumpkin and onions about 4:1 ratio. Boil till cooked.
Put in blender till smooth and thick. Add Turmeric/Cumin 2:1 ratio , Veg stock powder and salt to taste.
Throw in Chick Peas for protein (hint. Fart problems can be fixed on canned legumes by draining and rinsing to get rid of oligosaccharides)
Caraway seeds can be dusted on to serve.
If you don't feel totally vegan, a few slices of cheese toast on the side is good.

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SandS said..
show me a healthy looking vegan and I'll show you a sneaky meat eater !!!

Total BS

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FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

A lentil Dahl done correct with fruit nan bread , another ripper dish, Indian rarely touch meat in their daily meals amongst others, it just that many wester veg menus are boring

Fruit Naan bread? I didn't know it existed.

I did one of those community college courses in Indian Cooking. The lady that ran it couldn't eat beef, so asked if anyone wanted to be a taste tester. It was a great job! My favorite Indian dish is butter chicken, and the one I made was better than anything I have eaten in a restaurant, apart from a bit too much chili.

She surprised me, in that at the beginning of the course she said that a lot of the food would be better than we have eaten in a restaurant, and she was right.

Ever tried authentic krishna ?
There was this place years ago up a dingee alley in byron bay called "The cardamom pod" , may still be there?
You could join the levitating dhalsims in chant or sit cross legged and try on a pillow in case you fell
talk about Yumo!!
You took a plate and they filled it then when finished make a donation and leave.
I imagine all the dero's would have ruined that scenario by now , was pretty unique

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HotBodMon said..

FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

A lentil Dahl done correct with fruit nan bread , another ripper dish, Indian rarely touch meat in their daily meals amongst others, it just that many wester veg menus are boring

Fruit Naan bread? I didn't know it existed.

I did one of those community college courses in Indian Cooking. The lady that ran it couldn't eat beef, so asked if anyone wanted to be a taste tester. It was a great job! My favorite Indian dish is butter chicken, and the one I made was better than anything I have eaten in a restaurant, apart from a bit too much chili.

She surprised me, in that at the beginning of the course she said that a lot of the food would be better than we have eaten in a restaurant, and she was right.

Ever tried authentic krishna ?
There was this place years ago up a dingee alley in byron bay called "The cardamom pod" , may still be there?
You could join the levitating dhalsims in chant or sit cross legged and try on a pillow in case you fell
talk about Yumo!!
You took a plate and they filled it then when finished make a donation and leave.
I imagine all the dero's would have ruined that scenario by now , was pretty unique

This place has the same deal plus million dollar views. Food is very good.

www.annalakshmi.com.au

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FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

I'm somewhat puritanical with my approach to food but also with you on this.

There's an Ethiopian lady who has a stall around the Bellingen area markets. Her samosas are better than the ones we used to get in Tanzania in the 60's. Until recently they were number one.

Going vegan is a missed steak.

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Marsbars said..

HotBodMon said..

FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

FormulaNova said..

cauncy said..

Poida said..
4 vege/lentil patties for $8,
get on it

An authentic veg samosa is seriously good, tbh meat spoils it

I'm with you on that! Veggie samosas are excellent. The local Indian place had none last time and offered a meat one instead... yuck! I've had them before and wonder 'why', especially when the vegetable ones are so great.

I'm trying to think of good Indian dishes that i have made that are vegetarian, but none are. Some of my (Indian) work colleagues have shared vegetarian meals with me, and are also surprisingly good. I just can't imagine Mango chicken without the chicken though...

A lentil Dahl done correct with fruit nan bread , another ripper dish, Indian rarely touch meat in their daily meals amongst others, it just that many wester veg menus are boring

Fruit Naan bread? I didn't know it existed.

I did one of those community college courses in Indian Cooking. The lady that ran it couldn't eat beef, so asked if anyone wanted to be a taste tester. It was a great job! My favorite Indian dish is butter chicken, and the one I made was better than anything I have eaten in a restaurant, apart from a bit too much chili.

She surprised me, in that at the beginning of the course she said that a lot of the food would be better than we have eaten in a restaurant, and she was right.

Ever tried authentic krishna ?
There was this place years ago up a dingee alley in byron bay called "The cardamom pod" , may still be there?
You could join the levitating dhalsims in chant or sit cross legged and try on a pillow in case you fell
talk about Yumo!!
You took a plate and they filled it then when finished make a donation and leave.
I imagine all the dero's would have ruined that scenario by now , was pretty unique

This place has the same deal plus million dollar views. Food is very good.

www.annalakshmi.com.au

Okay. I am about 4000kms away, but if the food is that good, why not?

Indian vegetarian is amongst the best in the world in my opinion. Love all the spices.

Still, eating animal-based foods in modest amounts is bloody enjoyable and nutritious.