Do people who don't use indicators on a roundabout looks at other cars indicators to see what they are doing?

No. They just concentrate on their 'devices'. Was thinking I need a big sticker on my rear window , " I've got indicators, and I'm not afraid to use 'em!"

When waiting at a T intersection, do people who don't use indicators get pissed off at people turning left at T intersections who don't use their indicators?

On Bribie Island indicators and road rules are optional.

People who don't know how to correctly use their indicators are just as bad as those who tuck their ears under their baseball caps.

Modern times. Back in the day reverse parallel parking into a gap not much longer than the car was a big part of getting a license. The assumption being that the skills and spatial awareness for this non-critical task reflected how well you could handle the more critical driving situations.

That's why large glossy black 4wds with faux beadlock wheels are so popular. They just boof straight up over the gutter to a random distance onto your nature strip as if they meant it. Any lack of spatial awareness is thus disguised.

Who turns on the indicator in a driver-less car?

Do people how put their left indicators on as the move the wheel to exit the roundabout believe that how it should be done?

Having been a motorcyclist for many years I've learnt to read the road and not rely on peoples indicators. Subtle things like slowly drifting to one side tells me enough. I agree that it is annoying but after riding a bike you learnt not to trust cars, indicating or otherwise. Just read the road.

Look at where the driver of the other vehicle is looking.

As a survivor of fast road bikes I learnt to watch the front wheels of suspect cars.
Doesn't matter where the driver is looking or what they are doing the front wheels are the true indicator of if a car is moving, stopping, turning

yes the zx12r was a weapon
in most cases I'd be well up the road before the other cars were a bother

R1

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I need to see indicators.

Oh it could be worse. They changed the law in NZ recently so that you have to indicate at the most stupid times, like when you're going straight through.

It's completely pointless, because nobody understands how to do it correctly and even if they could, you don't actually get enough time to assess what other drivers are doing and so ... it just slows down roundabouts even more.

And now regular folk, along with the slow-witted timid twits, just sit there waiting until the cars are completely through because nobody is sure what's going on

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Kamikuza said..
Oh it could be worse. They changed the law in NZ recently so that you have to indicate at the most stupid times, like when you're going straight through.

It's completely pointless, because nobody understands how to do it correctly and even if they could, you don't actually get enough time to assess what other drivers are doing and so ... it just slows down roundabouts even more.

And now regular folk, along with the slow-witted timid twits, just sit there waiting until the cars are completely through because nobody is sure what's going on

They do something similar in WA where people almost always insist on indicating when they leave a roundabout. Often they indicate well before the exit, even going straight, so you can make no assumptions about which exit they are going to use.

I did a few truck driving lessons, and they make you do the same thing, so the whole place is treating roundabouts in a strange way. I guess you have more time in a truck though.

Do you think drivers that stop a car length or more from the white line at traffic light intersections are aware that there are sensors imbedded in the road up near the white line to get the lights to change green for their lane?

After reading some of the comments above, I thought maybe some of you need educating. In sunny Q, the rules say to use you indicators when ever exiting a roundabout no matter if you are turning left, driving straight through or turning right. I copied this from the web site.

Saying it simplyIf the lanes approaching the roundabout are marked with arrows, make sure you follow their direction.
If you're planning to turn left: Approach the roundabout in the left lane or line of traffic. Signal left as you approach the roundabout. Continue to signal left as you exit the roundabout. Turn your indicator off after you've exited.If you want to drive straight ahead on a roundabout:You can approach without signalling. But make sure you signal left as you exit if it's practical to do so. Turn your indicator off after you've exited.To make a right turn:Approach the roundabout in the right lane or line of traffic. Signal right as you approach the roundabout. Continue to signal right until you are ready to exit. Signal left before you exit the roundabout if it's practical to do so. Turn your indicator off after you've exited.Simple misunderstandings of road rules can cause a lot of grief-from near misses and minor crashes to serious injury or worse. Road rules are there for your safety so make sure you know and follow them at all times.

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Crusoe said..
Do you think drivers that stop a car length or more from the white line at traffic light intersections are aware that there are sensors imbedded in the road up near the white line to get the lights to change green for their lane?

Given that a lot of people don't realise that traffic flow at intersections follow a pattern and that they wont be able to walk across the intersection faster by hitting it 15 times, I doubt that some realise there are sensors.

Ever been stuck in a car at a 'bus only' intersection where there are no road sensors and seem to rely on something in the busses themselves?

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FormulaNova said..

Kamikuza said..
Oh it could be worse. They changed the law in NZ recently so that you have to indicate at the most stupid times, like when you're going straight through.

It's completely pointless, because nobody understands how to do it correctly and even if they could, you don't actually get enough time to assess what other drivers are doing and so ... it just slows down roundabouts even more.

And now regular folk, along with the slow-witted timid twits, just sit there waiting until the cars are completely through because nobody is sure what's going on

They do something similar in WA where people almost always insist on indicating when they leave a roundabout. Often they indicate well before the exit, even going straight, so you can make no assumptions about which exit they are going to use.

I did a few truck driving lessons, and they make you do the same thing, so the whole place is treating roundabouts in a strange way. I guess you have more time in a truck though.

www.rsc.wa.gov.au/Rules-Penalties/Browse/Roundabouts

Not sure of the actual rules, but it makes sense to me to indicate when leaving a roundabout?? to tell the waiting cars they can enter the roundabout in front of you. Otherwise they need to wait there until you are clearly exiting. Keeps traffic flowing

and above ... yep riding a motor cycle makes you a much better driver - subtle things are picked up much faster also makes you learn to continually scan well ahead and well behind you so you kind of know what the traffic flow is doing more to the point keeps you aware of useless drivers well
before they are Near you. You anticipate potential danger as you have this vehicle configuration in your head sorted.

Hayabusa.
And yeah, it makes sense to exit as you leave if the roundabout is so huge that you can't see the other side but typically just indicating like a standard intersection is wayyy better

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Crusoe said..
Do you think drivers that stop a car length or more from the white line at traffic light intersections are aware that there are sensors imbedded in the road up near the white line to get the lights to change green for their lane?

Got stuck behind some idiot in a right turn lane, too far behind to trigger the arrow. The guy in the car behind had to tell them to move forward.

Just how many lanes would be required for all drivers in the left lane to automatic move over one lane to let merging traffic in when there is no other traffic. Just wondering because 2 lanes isn't enough for some drivers.

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Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..

Kamikuza said..
Oh it could be worse. They changed the law in NZ recently so that you have to indicate at the most stupid times, like when you're going straight through.

It's completely pointless, because nobody understands how to do it correctly and even if they could, you don't actually get enough time to assess what other drivers are doing and so ... it just slows down roundabouts even more.

And now regular folk, along with the slow-witted timid twits, just sit there waiting until the cars are completely through because nobody is sure what's going on

They do something similar in WA where people almost always insist on indicating when they leave a roundabout. Often they indicate well before the exit, even going straight, so you can make no assumptions about which exit they are going to use.

I did a few truck driving lessons, and they make you do the same thing, so the whole place is treating roundabouts in a strange way. I guess you have more time in a truck though.

www.rsc.wa.gov.au/Rules-Penalties/Browse/Roundabouts

Has this become a conspiracy site again where you just post random URLs?

Clearly you should indicate 'if practicable' but people here seem to be over-committed to this. It bugs me when someone indicates left when they are still coming up to an exit that they are not exiting and are leaving at the exit after that one. There are plenty of roundabouts where there is just not that much time between exits and indicating early just gives a false impression of where you are exiting.

My mention of doing this in a truck is that you are generally moving slower and have more time to clearly indicate for the exit you are actually taking rather than possibly the one before it.

I think I prefer the drivers in Sydney. They will cut you up without a thought, but at least its somehow clearer.

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eppo said..
Not sure of the actual rules, but it makes sense to me to indicate when leaving a roundabout?? to tell the waiting cars they can enter the roundabout in front of you. Otherwise they need to wait there until you are clearly exiting. Keeps traffic flowing

and above ... yep riding a motor cycle makes you a much better driver - subtle things are picked up much faster also makes you learn to continually scan well ahead and well behind you so you kind of know what the traffic flow is doing more to the point keeps you aware of useless drivers well
before they are Near you. You anticipate potential danger as you have this vehicle configuration in your head sorted.

Just to be contrary I think some bike riders assume that they are the fastest ones out there and making decisions accordingly. Not being more aware, but just assuming that they are clear because they are usually faster.

Mind you, when I was learning to ride a motorbike in Sydney traffic I was pretty aware of how many d1ckheads are out there in cars and don't look before changing into your lane.

Have you ever had a motorbike rider sit in your blind spot for ages? I have and it bugs me because when I learnt it was drummed into you not to sit there.

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Crusoe said..
Just how many lanes would be required for all drivers in the left lane to automatic move over one lane to let merging traffic in when there is no other traffic. Just wondering because 2 lanes isn't enough for some drivers.

I used to be a bit critical of the merging traffic here in WA. Now I think they don't have enough distance in their merging lanes to get up to speed. For me its not a problem as I drive like an idiot, but generally most people don't match their speed when merging and I think its because the onramps are a bit short. In other words, a lot of people won't hammer their cars trying to get from 60kph up to 100kph in the distance given, with only a small window where you can actually merge.

I was a bit surprised that a lot of people will change to the right lane to let people in, but it seems to have dumbed people down a bit as they expect it and don't try and match their speed. A lot haven't learned that braking is much easier to match the speed than trying to floor it.

I think 3 lanes are ideal. The right one for people to sit less than a car length behind each other at 110, the middle lane for most other people, and the left lane for me to cruise past.

Traffic lights follow a pattern when it's peak hr or heavy traffic but say on a Sunday the sensor trip out the lights & there's nothing worse than a Sunday driver sitting back from the line as the lights won't change until there tripped out or late at night.

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FormulaNova said..
but generally most people don't match their speed when merging, CAUSE THEY ARE IDIOTS!

FTFY.

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FormulaNova said..
Just to be contrary I think some bike riders assume that they are the fastest ones out there and making decisions accordingly. Not being more aware, but just assuming that they are clear because they are usually faster.

Mind you, when I was learning to ride a motorbike in Sydney traffic I was pretty aware of how many d1ckheads are out there in cars and don't look before changing into your lane.

Have you ever had a motorbike rider sit in your blind spot for ages? I have and it bugs me because when I learnt it was drummed into you not to sit there.

What used to amaze me the most when riding a motorbike was that you could be right next to someone and you'd see them turn their head and look straight at you, and then start changing lanes into you. Seems a lot of people are just looking for cars.

I've been told it doesn't happen to Harley riders as the car driver subconsciously rates changing lanes into a Harley as a high risk health hazard.

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eppo said..
Not sure of the actual rules, but it makes sense to me to indicate when leaving a roundabout?? to tell the waiting cars they can enter the roundabout in front of you. Otherwise they need to wait there until you are clearly exiting. Keeps traffic flowing

and above ... yep riding a motor cycle makes you a much better driver - subtle things are picked up much faster also makes you learn to continually scan well ahead and well behind you so you kind of know what the traffic flow is doing more to the point keeps you aware of useless drivers well
before they are Near you. You anticipate potential danger as you have this vehicle configuration in your head sorted.

Because even on the biggest roundabouts it gives other drivers only a second or less of a chance to see your indicator and assimilate what's going on. Even if you indicate left immediately after the exit you just passed, in anticipation of the one you want.

And think about the geometry of it -- the indicators are on the opposite side of the car to the other driver, and are hidden from view until the last moment.

The problem is people are waiting for an indicator to assess if the car is exciting a roundabout, rather than the old style where no indication meant you were going straight ahead ie. exiting the roundabout.

^And what about the idiots who keep their right hand indicator on while exiting the roundabout...?

Give over mate, there's plenty of time to indicate correctly, you shouldn't be speeding through the roundabout and there's plenty of visibility to see the exit (left) indicator.

You sound old and probably tuck your ears under your baseball cap too.