www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-20/dog-breed-ban-calls-renewed-in-wake-of-fatal-attack-on-toddler/10286654

Dog whistling doggie racism.

Its kinda hard when they are talking certain breeds....... but then this one was a staffy. How placid are they....
So I guess it can be any time any dog
Just some are more prone to it.

The guy has a point when he says some were bred to be weapons,and we regulate weapons.

How do we stop the idiots breeding dogs for pigging? Its like a comp to have the most tatts, the biggest ute and the meanest POS dog that nobody can go near, and show it off. That is not responsible dog ownership and goes with the whole attitude. It needs something done thats for sure

I live in fear of the day when people breed up their horrible little yap dogs to a size where they can be a threat.

Was bitten by a Swedish Valhund about a year ago. An aquaintance on dog beach. It would have known me well. We'd met hundreds of times. Best we can make out I was kicking her tennis ball for my dog.

The Swedish Valhund has been bred to herd cattle. It doesn't have a particularly large head. In herding cattle cattle a tendency to nip at ankles might be an advantage but hanging on would be fatal ( for the dog)

The pit bull breeds on the other hand, staffys and the like, are bred with oversized jaw muscles and an insinct to hang on and shake. Well socialised dogs are 99.9 OK but when the normally placid staffy has a brain snap what do you expect.

Dogs with a dog-fighting background and physique should be banned. Mark has picked the demographic who'll be upset.

Anyway recovered from the Valhund bite. Sort of made up with the dog. Quite a sensation to feel those canines sink in to full depth! The scars have faded but still record the Valhund bite size - 6 cm.

I don't think we have anywhere near enough regulation on all facets of life.

What would be best is a situation where, when planning parenthood, an application should be made to government for approval which would come with a life plan for the child.

This is would include name, prospective employment, social status living area etc..

for or more detail see Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

Fair enough. But you've got to admit that since we were boys dogs have been streadily getting bigger. ( well certainly as far as head size and beady little eyes go) . I guess eventually the trend will be slowed by legislation. It's just a matter of when. I don't think we've reached the genetic limot of how big we can make a dog's head.

I remember trying to separate a 'fight' between our family cattle dog and my brother's staffy/pig dog. My brother's dog just locked onto the other dogs neck. Luckily the cattle dog had a huge amount of hair around his neck, so it wasn't so bad, but the staffy/pig dog looked like it could have held the other dog all week if it could.

My dad broke a broom handle over the back of the pig dog, but it didn't care.

I think there has to be some control over these breeds. Exceptionally loyal to their owners, but not so good amongst other people if it takes a dislike to them.

China has the right idea ... a social obedience score card ...

I have had dogs all my life although at the moment I am dog free as the old bastard in my avatar saw fit to have a heart attack six weeks after I got him to Fiji. $4500 down the gurgler.

I also worked for Masterfoods in their Petfood division for 12 years. At a relatively high level.

The Petfood industry is f^cking huge. Back in 1994 when I left we were pumping out 155,00 tonnes of dry food in Baffist and 356,00 tonnes of cans in Wodonga.

Per annum.

One of the most seriously taken operations is to ensure that as many people as possible have pets, preferably big f^ckers that eat a lot. So a huge amount of money is spent on advertising, (social engineering), to ensure that as many people as possible acquire dogs.

Regardless of how fit they are to handle the responsibility of owning one.

Which is why we have so many f^cked up dogs which have not been trained. Or exercised. Cooped up in back yards going loco.

But feeding.

Owning a dog of any size is a huge responsibility. It should be exercised daily, without fail. I should understand implicitly that the owner is the alpha male in it's life and this position should never be challenged. If it is to be rubbing shoulders with the public the same applies.

Unfortunately too many individuals acquire a dog with the same level of understanding they have of Arabic and are equally competent of looking after one as they would be of making a place for themselves in Saudi Arabia.

Or the Yemen.

The article states she thought is was a Staffordshire cross, so who know what it was.
Having owned a Staffordshire Bull Terrier I know they have an excellent temperament and lots of patience and are extremely loyal.
It comes down to how you train and treat the dog.
They are also not hunting dogs.

Some dog breeds may/have a disposition to aggression but
Staffordshire Bull Terriers don't.
Like having children any one can have a dog when they should perhaps not.

Most all (pet) dogs I know are a reflection of and an extension of their owner and personality.
So dog do the crime owner do the time or if applicable put the dog down and do the time.
No way I would have wanted an under or out of control dog violent dog in my immediate neighbourhood when I had young children.
We had out of control for a time but not vicious...
My current dog is chilled.. but probably almost as grumpy as me -

Cheers
AP

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Mark _australia said..

How do we stop the idiots breeding dogs for pigging? Its like a comp to have the most tatts, the biggest ute and the meanest POS dog that nobody can go near, and show it off. That is not responsible dog ownership and goes with the whole attitude. It needs something done thats for sure

Amen to that. Dickheads are one of Australia's biggest problems.

bogan + big tuff dog = little dick.

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FormulaNova said..
I remember trying to separate a 'fight' between our family cattle dog and my brother's staffy/pig dog. My brother's dog just locked onto the other dogs neck. Luckily the cattle dog had a huge amount of hair around his neck, so it wasn't so bad, but the staffy/pig dog looked like it could have held the other dog all week if it could.

My dad broke a broom handle over the back of the pig dog, but it didn't care.

I think there has to be some control over these breeds. Exceptionally loyal to their owners, but not so good amongst other people if it takes a dislike to them.

Similar experience with neighbor's staffs/pig dog and our cattle cross, we couldn't get the staffy to let go ....passing truck driver who was wearing steel cap high boots helped out - he placed his heel on the staffy's front paw and crushed down...staffy let go ...

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FormulaNova said..
I remember trying to separate a 'fight' between our family cattle dog and my brother's staffy/pig dog. My brother's dog just locked onto the other dogs neck. Luckily the cattle dog had a huge amount of hair around his neck, so it wasn't so bad, but the staffy/pig dog looked like it could have held the other dog all week if it could.

My dad broke a broom handle over the back of the pig dog, but it didn't care.

I think there has to be some control over these breeds. Exceptionally loyal to their owners, but not so good amongst other people if it takes a dislike to them.

Similar experience with neighbor's staffs/pig dog and our cattle cross, we couldn't get the staffy to let go ....passing truck driver who was wearing steel cap high boots helped out - he placed his heel on the staffy's front paw and crushed down...staffy let go ...

The way I separated the dog from the other dogs neck was, it sounds strange, but I put my hand in his mouth. This dog had no problem with me, and sticking my hand in there confused him or he felt vulnerable. It was sort of amazing that these dogs can just lock their muzzle like that with seemingly no effort. I guess it helps with hunting and just being able to hold the animal.

The thing that started the fight was that both of these dogs loved playing fetch, and when the younger one went for the tennis ball that the older one couldn't beat him to, it was on.

Thinking about it now, your approach, with the dogs feet is probably a good one, as dogs are pretty sensitive when it comes to getting their feet hurt.

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FormulaNova said..
I remember trying to separate a 'fight' between our family cattle dog and my brother's staffy/pig dog. My brother's dog just locked onto the other dogs neck. Luckily the cattle dog had a huge amount of hair around his neck, so it wasn't so bad, but the staffy/pig dog looked like it could have held the other dog all week if it could.

My dad broke a broom handle over the back of the pig dog, but it didn't care.

I think there has to be some control over these breeds. Exceptionally loyal to their owners, but not so good amongst other people if it takes a dislike to them.

Similar experience with neighbor's staffs/pig dog and our cattle cross, we couldn't get the staffy to let go ....passing truck driver who was wearing steel cap high boots helped out - he placed his heel on the staffy's front paw and crushed down...staffy let go ...

similar case on telly a few months ago,
big nasty dog latched onto another dog and wouldn't let go......until smaller dogs owner rammed a digit up the big nasty dogs fundamental orifice.

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bjwedes said..

FormulaNova said..
I remember trying to separate a 'fight' between our family cattle dog and my brother's staffy/pig dog. My brother's dog just locked onto the other dogs neck. Luckily the cattle dog had a huge amount of hair around his neck, so it wasn't so bad, but the staffy/pig dog looked like it could have held the other dog all week if it could.

My dad broke a broom handle over the back of the pig dog, but it didn't care.

I think there has to be some control over these breeds. Exceptionally loyal to their owners, but not so good amongst other people if it takes a dislike to them.

Similar experience with neighbor's staffs/pig dog and our cattle cross, we couldn't get the staffy to let go ....passing truck driver who was wearing steel cap high boots helped out - he placed his heel on the staffy's front paw and crushed down...staffy let go ...

similar case on telly a few months ago,
big nasty dog latched onto another dog and wouldn't let go......until smaller dogs owner rammed a digit up the big nasty dogs fundamental orifice.

Yes, I have heard that advice, but always wondered if it was urban myth. I wouldn't want to be the one to try it either!

I guess, from a pragmatic perspective, anything that a dog is not going to expect from another dog or animal is going to startle it.

I think if I owned a small yappy dog and walked it a lot I would be carrying citronella spray or something similar. Maybe it would be enough to confuse the dogs, but then again, seeing the way these hunting dogs react, maybe it wouldn't?

I think this thread has been incorrectly titled
Most Dogs traditional breed for Hunting are not often a problem
Dogs that have been historical breed for Blood sports like bull and bear baiting, and fighting are more often a problem.
Unfortunately Saffordshire Bull Terriers fall into this category.
I think they are great companion dogs, and generally if there is a problem with a saffie the source is at the other end of the leash. They are very easy to train to have a violent disposition even though it goes against there nature.

All Creatures Great and Small provided much good reading.

His account of two particularly vicious yappy dogs snuffing it and being replaced by two pups which rapidly took on the same character traits as their predecessors is a very good example of the problem emanating from the top end of the lead.

Had a interesting interaction with a staffy a couple of weeks ago. I took my 11 year old cocker spaniel for a run down the beach, out of no where comes a staffy, belines for my dog.

Bites her neck and shakes her around for minutes, thought she was a goner.

I couldn't seperate them I had a rope leash and was barefoot.

hadnt heard about the digital attack to the rear;)

anyway owner turns up a minute into the attack. Useless specimen.

After the attack I asked for her phone number, she gave me a wrong number. So I took a snap of her and the dog, social media helped me identify her, it turns out she is the Staffy rescue coordinator for the state of WA.
So the question that bothers me is it the dog or the owner that is to blame when these dangerous dogs attack?

anyway I used to be OK with staffys as a breed, now I'm very cautious.

they've become the modern day german shephard. on the goldie almost everything at the pound has been mixed with a staffy, or a mastiff, like a rogue staffy pornstar jumped back fences and shagged everyone's dog

i reckon even stuff from bunnings and BCF has been crossed with a staffy to ensure it appeals to the working class

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DaylightDebt said.. hadnt heard about the digital attack to the rear;)

Yeah a lady on a WA beach did that to great effect a couple years back. Made the journo's very excited, best story of the week it seems. The boomstick technique above would have worked if the broomstick was inserted. The dog will let go

Given most of the tuff dogs that bogans own as some sort of DH status symbol are male, and they refuse to neuter their idiotic status symbol - grab it by the nuts and pick it up. Again, it will let go. It will turn on you in the same instant but another good squeeze and it will rather run away.

Then do same to bogan owner.......

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Mark _australia said..

DaylightDebt said.. hadnt heard about the digital attack to the rear;)

Yeah a lady on a WA beach did that to great effect a couple years back. Made the journo's very excited, best story of the week it seems. The boomstick technique above would have worked if the broomstick was inserted. The dog will let go

Given most of the tuff dogs that bogans own as some sort of DH status symbol are male, and they refuse to neuter their idiotic status symbol - grab it by the nuts and pick it up. Again, it will let go. It will turn on you in the same instant but another good squeeze and it will rather run away.

Then do same to bogan owner.......

Seriously looking at getting my self a good quality solid walking stick, the terrain under foot can be a bit uneven ;)

Usually my 5 yr old daughter would have been with me thankfully not this time. Separation techniques have been front and centre of my mind since the attack.

dont want to go OTT however I think it would have been good to have a something to use.

i have had dogs all my life and this was the first incident of note, the ranger pretty much recommended using all or any things at hand, technique or force with the advice of stay safe yourself avoid bites from the dog and attacks from the owner.

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Mark _australia said..

DaylightDebt said.. hadnt heard about the digital attack to the rear;)

Yeah a lady on a WA beach did that to great effect a couple years back. Made the journo's very excited, best story of the week it seems. The boomstick technique above would have worked if the broomstick was inserted. The dog will let go

Given most of the tuff dogs that bogans own as some sort of DH status symbol are male, and they refuse to neuter their idiotic status symbol - grab it by the nuts and pick it up. Again, it will let go. It will turn on you in the same instant but another good squeeze and it will rather run away.

Then do same to bogan owner.......

Seriously looking at getting my self a good quality solid walking stick, the terrain under foot can be a bit uneven ;)

Usually my 5 yr old daughter would have been with me thankfully not this time. Separation techniques have been front and centre of my mind since the attack.

dont want to go OTT however I think it would have been good to have a something to use.

i have had dogs all my life and this was the first incident of note, the ranger pretty much recommended using all or any things at hand, technique or force with the advice of stay safe yourself avoid bites from the dog and attacks from the owner.

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Mark _australia said..

DaylightDebt said.. hadnt heard about the digital attack to the rear;)

Yeah a lady on a WA beach did that to great effect a couple years back. Made the journo's very excited, best story of the week it seems. The boomstick technique above would have worked if the broomstick was inserted. The dog will let go

Given most of the tuff dogs that bogans own as some sort of DH status symbol are male, and they refuse to neuter their idiotic status symbol - grab it by the nuts and pick it up. Again, it will let go. It will turn on you in the same instant but another good squeeze and it will rather run away.

Then do same to bogan owner.......

yes but said bogans nuts have shrivelled up because said bogan takes steroids .

it's the circle of life

Labradoodle owners got the biggest balls

Grew up in a png as a kid with two dogs both German Shepard's , deputy and sheriff.
I used to ride them like horses as a bub we lived in a compound , one day rascals got in I was about 5 and deputy ripped one of them apart while sheriff chased the other two to the fence and ripped ones calf off.

I remember looking at deputy as he ran back to us with blood on his teeth wagging his tail so he could stand in front of us

Mum was there with three kids by herself, from that day deputy slept in the house and got steak, good thing we had the dogs.

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Razzonater said..
Grew up in a png as a kid with two dogs both German Shepard's , deputy and sheriff.
I used to ride them like horses as a bub we lived in a compound , one day rascals got in I was about 5 and deputy ripped one of them apart while sheriff chased the other two to the fence and ripped ones calf off.

I remember looking at deputy as he ran back to us with blood on his teeth wagging his tail so he could stand in front of us

Mum was there with three kids by herself, from that day deputy slept in the house and got steak, good thing we had the dogs.

Wow Razz !

Great story, must've been wild growing up in PNG.

Rascals, is that what you called them, sounds old fashioned, kind of like Bandits !

Thats the PNG definition ?

I had a Staffy that walked in one day and never left. Tried to find the owner through various means to no avail. The vet said she was probably dumped as she was on heat and bleeding a bit. She was great with people but not so good with other dogs, though we got attacked (when I was walking her on her lead) more than she attacked other dogs. This was due to people that had their dogs 'off leash' in 'on leash' areas (my dog is alright they'd say...mine is not I would say!!) or that had escaped from peoples yards with inadequate fencing. More than once I had to pick her up (while she was going burlesque) and had to fight off other dogs trying to get to her while their owners shouted "Stop Barney/Ruby, sorry, he/she is not normally like that!". Ever had a Mastiff cross mongrel in a head lock on the foot path while a group of people pull over and try to get your dogs neck out of its mouth? Still have the scars on my knees! I think other dogs picked up on her aggressive nature and it would just be on. Don't know why she was like that, she just was and it made every trip to the vet memorable!

TH...

"Dogs" should be a subject taught to everyone at school. In particular dog body language. Whether you have a dog or not, you'll come across them regularly in normal life and knowing how to read the signs that a dog is stressing and likely to lash out would benefit everyone, particularly the dogs. There are plenty of people who do have them who would benefit from learning how to look after and read dogs properly too. ****s me to see what some parents think is ok that isn't and those kids will go on to do the same things.