Forget Climate Change.Now we have more important things to worry about.Due to humans using all electric devices, all producing electric current and magnetic fields, -managed to moved polar magnetic poles !

Now the only hope to restore Earth natural magnetic balance is :
-complete ban on all electric devices
or
-introduction of Magnetic Tax ( say 1% on value of any electric device sold)
Actually magnetic field is more important for life on the Earth then small climate disturbances we face. Without protection of magnetic field Solar Wind will wipe us and everything living on the Earth surface.Now to make myself trustworthy I will jump into my solar catamaran and sail through the ocean to NY without any compass aboard. Urgent conference how to save world was called out by United Nations.
Lets turn off all computers now to save our magnetic poles !

Plus it can drive people mad.

What is more important, mobile phone usage or save the planet- easy answer

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Macroscien said..
Forget Climate Change.Now we have more important things to worry about.Due to humans using all electric devices, all producing electric current and magnetic fields, -managed to moved polar magnetic poles !

Now the only hope to restore Earth natural magnetic balance is :
-complete ban on all electric devices
or
-introduction of Magnetic Tax ( say 1% on value of any electric device sold)
Actually magnetic field is more important for life on the Earth then small climate disturbances we face. Without protection of magnetic field Solar Wind will wipe us and everything living on the Earth surface.Now to make myself trustworthy I will jump into my solar catamaran and sail through the ocean to NY without any compass aboard. Urgent conference how to save world was called out by United Nations.
Lets turn off all computers now to save our magnetic poles !

Where did it move to, your place? You didn't pinch it did you?

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NotWal said..

Where did it move to, your place? You didn't pinch it did you?

Maybe they had been in wrong place at first? Why should Earth spin around such non important place? Lets get one pole to Marylago and another to Pekin for time being.Then we could call the truth. This positive pole do attract everybody and the second is purely repulsive. Some scientist works on magnetic monopole too. Worth to consider monopoly on poles - worth the money when everything in the world will point to one place only!

Wasn't sure about that one Macro. My first reaction was to google "Position of magnetic pole effects on climate" .
www.ipgp.fr/fr/are-there-connections-between-the-earths-magnetic-field-and-climate

" These seem to correlate with significant climatic events in the eastern North Atlantic region. A proposed mechanism involves variations in the geometry of the geomagnetic field (f.i. tilt of the dipole to lower latitudes), resulting in enhanced cosmic-ray induced nucleation of clouds. No forcing factor, be it changes in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere or changes in cosmic ray flux modulated by solar activity and geomagnetism, or possibly other factors, can at present be neglected or shown to be the overwhelming single driver of climate change in past centuries. "

According to these guys the magnetic pole drift is competing with C02 as the main suspect driving the current climate drift!

AC will merely oscillate the pole but if you can show that your proposed coast to coast DC will bend the pole in a climate-cooling direction. Win , win, you'll get funding for sure.
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However, another thought. If sending power DC from east to west is beneficial, when WA has all the sunlight all the good would be undone. We'd need two transmission lines, ACDC. AC west to east. If power shifting was done this way world wide, need to do some sums.

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Ian K said..
However, another thought. If sending power DC from east to west is beneficial, when WA has all the sunlight all the good would be undone. We'd need two transmission lines, ACDC. AC west to east. If power shifting was done this way world wide, need to do some sums.

I love nothing more then solving impossible ( and complicate everything even more) .
Lets allow Kiwi land to join our beautiful country as next state. Then we plant few solar panel there - as Kiwi are well behind. Then lay undersea HVDC cable to rectify poles once and ever. Wello has also good wind so we could suck all the power 24/24




Here is blue print of proposed leash that we could keep Kiwi on ( I mean transport electricity across Tasman) .

DC means one way only, so sorry kiwi mates if you need some juice too you may suck from the nearest Eastern Island.
Ok took a while but I did found one that Kiwi could feed on too.






Maldives always belongs to crown- so everything stay within family.
( and now we have 12 nuclear submarines hired - if somebody has any doubts - to prove it)

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Ian K said..
www.ipgp.fr/fr/are-there-connections-between-the-earths-magnetic-field-and-climate

these guys from Paris are not going to add Macro at footnotes,peer reviewer, but I would rather attribute this phenomenon to the closing gap in ozone layer.Ozone O3 absorb high energy UV radiation since Co2 rather lower infrared.Just about mentioned time ( 80s) we start fighting ozone depletion , restored to original, closed gap - and now we all have warming effect due to increased ozone. Do we need now to brings all those fire old extinguishers , deodorants back to life ? Not sure about that..Lets save penguins from ultraviolet radiation.

@macro - I think pm33 hacked your account

How can the magnetic poles move if the earth is flat?

Please exploin.

Holy S***, very good point. What a mess we are in. Let's remove the human (footprint), and we'll be back where it all started. Problem solver.
A complete flat line. (actually we are going in that direction, I feel).

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Macroscien said..

DC means one way only, so sorry kiwi mates if you need some juice too you may suck from the nearest Eastern Island.
Ok took a while but I did found one that Kiwi could feed on too.

I wonder if PM33 and Macroscien really are the one person... there are similarities...

HVDC transmission is indeed one way, at a time. The link between the mainland and Tasmania was designed so that it can be driven either way to export power to Tas or import it from Tas.

How this is going to shift the poles or not I couldn't be bothered reading as I am sure its not going to make any sense anyway.

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FormulaNova said..

How this is going to shift the poles or not I couldn't be bothered reading as I am sure its not going to make any sense anyway.

Maxwell's 4th equation links current to magnetic field. I've tried googling the current within the earth's core but can't get an answer in amps. The current in a DC power link might be insignificant but it will add to the earth's magnetic field. And given that magnets interact it would swing the swirls in our molten metal core one way or the other - probably insignificant?? - might need something as sensitive as a LIGO to detect it, but there's always the butterfly effect to consider.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

The posting of only a link with no synthesis, commentary or random thoughts was deliberate

The movement of the magnetic poles is a natural occurrence.

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Ian K said..

FormulaNova said..

How this is going to shift the poles or not I couldn't be bothered reading as I am sure its not going to make any sense anyway.

Maxwell's 4th equation links current to magnetic field. I've tried googling the current within the earth's core but can't get an answer in amps. The current in a DC power link might be insignificant but it will add to the earth's magnetic field. And given that magnets interact it would swing the swirls in our molten metal core one way or the other - probably insignificant?? - might need something as sensitive as a LIGO to detect it, but there's always the butterfly effect to consider.

It has to be a pretty fierce effect to drag the Maldives to the Falklands.

It's a sign of the impending Apocalypse.

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Macroscien said..

DC means one way only, so sorry kiwi mates if you need some juice too you may suck from the nearest Eastern Island.
Ok took a while but I did found one that Kiwi could feed on too.

I wonder if PM33 and Macroscien really are the one person... there are similarities...

HVDC transmission is indeed one way, at a time. The link between the mainland and Tasmania was designed so that it can be driven either way to export power to Tas or import it from Tas.

How this is going to shift the poles or not I couldn't be bothered reading as I am sure its not going to make any sense anyway.

Of course it make sense,.. because when current passes through a conductor it sets up a magnetic field surrounding that conductor. Everybody knows that. It's how electric trains work. they pass a current along that overhead wire and then that pantaloon thingy on top of the train attaches to the magnetic field and gets sucked along the track. That's why they have two tracks, one in each direction. When it gets to the end of the track they just connect the two ends together and the current goes back the other way and takes the train with it back to where it came from. That's why trains always end up back at the depot each night.
And to keep the current going they just take a little bit out at each station to run the station lights,.. plus the light that lights up the station name of course.
It's all quite simple really,.. and I'm sure it will work, and Macroman has now got my vote for pm, oh,.. and a no nobull prize.

Alternative explanation is the change in the distribution of iron round the globe due to exports to China. So the Pilbara has less effect on the geomagnetic field, but Shanghai etc has more
ie Anthropomorphic Geomagnetic Anomaly (AGA)

No wind ?

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Mr Milk said..
Alternative explanation is the change in the distribution of iron round the globe due to exports to China. So the Pilbara has less effect on the geomagnetic field, but Shanghai etc has more
ie Anthropomorphic Geomagnetic Anomaly (AGA)

Make sense. Let forbid also Chinese to manufacture rare earth magnets.
So Trump should impose absolute sanction on iron to China and forbid them to play with any magnets, Only bamboo sticks allowed.There could not be a better timing of those poles movements and again we have all scientific prove, the guilty is also obvious.WMD -world magnetic destruction

Act Of God?

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Ian K said..

earth's magnetic field.

We are lucky that Earth core is still melted. Iron at this high temperature is not ferromagnetic but when it cool down and turn solid we may have magnetar like field. When it happen every piece of steel will stick to Earth . People will need to use plastic cutlery as you will not be able to lift the tea spoon that dropped on the floor ( although some sorts of stainless are not so magnetic fragile.At least hover board will work when you duct tape small magnet under.



Wait till core cools down to 1,043 K to see what happen then.

Than mean that after our food scare from seventies, overpopulation, climate changes both ways, magnetic poles - our grand kids will be scared of core cooling (?)Then imagine another planet near by cooled of and those two powerful magnets now overcoming gravitational force with much stronger magnetic one ! Mars could drop on Earth so we may not need rockets anymore but bicycle.

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pweedas said..

because when current passes through a conductor it sets up a magnetic field surrounding that conductor. Everybody knows that.

Yep exactly:
This paper explains the magnetic effect of the electric current from the observed effects of the accelerating electrons, causing naturally the experienced changes of the electric field potential along the electric wire. The accelerating electrons explain not only the Maxwell Equations and theSpecial Relativity, but the Heisenberg Uncertainty Relation, the wave particle duality and the electron's spin also, building the bridge between the Classical and Quantum Theories. The changing acceleration of the electrons explains the created negative electric field of the magnetic induction, the electromagnetic inertia, the changing relativistic mass and the Gravitational Force, giving a Unified Theory of the physical forces. Taking into account the Planck Distribution Law of the electromagnetic oscillators also, we can explain the electron/proton mass rate and the Weak and Strong Interactions.

Easy like that ( at least according to George and pweedas)

The earth has had several magnetic reversals in its life.
The Finnish people call Sirius ( the Dog Star/south star ) the North Star, at some time whilst these humans were on earth this was the North Star , not Polaris as it is currently..

I wrote a lengthy thread on here once in regards to iron ore being shipped around the world and was ostracised for several weeks, it does put the earth off balance, like spinning a basket ball and sticking a 50c piece on a location off centre.

Further putting iron ore into water will pickle it and create an electric charge through electrolysis . This is how it is stored in China particularly when they want higher grades for the steel mills.

The magnetic field does protect us from solar winds and solar flares etc, as the earth to a degree is a conductor the sun does assist with creation of the field and whilst not insignificant is not nearly as important as what happens down here.

Having a molten core in the earth is a large contributing factor, and let's not forget our friend the moon.

The closest thing that you could imagine to perpetual motion is what happens in our Milky Way.
On a small level the moon or it's the earth while the earth orbits the sun on an ecliptical orbit.

The relationship between the earth and moon is gravity related however I also believe that there is an opposing magnetic force , generally using energy will create heat , peddling your bike you heat up, an electric motor heats up, a light heats up. Energy efficiency is at best in most mechanical and electrical items utilised at 50-80% there are motors that say they are 90% plus efficient which to some degree is correct ,,,, however they fail over time and new bearings and componentry must be made which again uses energy.

So we go back to the relationship of the moon and earth, as it rotates in space in a vacuum their is less wasted energy, and again without friction their is less heat generated, however keeping the earths core Molten whilst not causal of the relationship from the earth and moon certainly assists in maintaining the status.

When we than review the magnetic affect of planets and the solar system on the earth we very rarely take into account where the North Pole actually points too,

Every year on a marine chart you will get deviation, magnetic deviation.
You plot a course
TVMDC Google it for some info on magnetic deviation

if if you have a chart giving 1 degree a year made in 2009 it will be 10 degrees now

The solar system has a large affect on where true north is, the magnetic attraction and repulsion of other planets and stars is not often taken into account outside of our solar system.